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Originally posted by Kelldroth:
I would not, however, directly intervene, even though I have all the cards the new guy is looking for and much better rates.

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Why won't you intervene? Is there is such unspoken rule of not to compete openly in trade offers? If so, that's terrible for the whole community.

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Originally posted by nstar612:
Why won't you intervene? Is there is such unspoken rule of not to compete openly in trade offers? If so, that's terrible for the whole community.

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Some stores do have this...

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Originally posted by nstar612:
Why won't you intervene? Is there is such unspoken rule of not to compete openly in trade offers? If so, that's terrible for the whole community.

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Originally posted by marlo213:
How do I get bots to stop posting on my threads?

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stop posting threads?

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
Couldn't have said it better myself. I personally have to deal with "that guy" at my local store. He hovers on a trade with a smartphone in hand (as a 3rd party, mind you) and offers to look up SCG values, unsolicited. I actually barked at him pretty good after he pestered me and a trader completing a trade involving Beta Sinkholes for some ONS fetches.

I really can't stress this enough - adults are adults. Stop projecting these "I wouldn't want this to happen to me" arguments onto the situation, because the world isn't supposed to hold your hand through life.

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Originally posted by baldr7:
So it's ok to do a morally wrong thing (taking advantage of someone) if he bragged about his collection? Please, tell me more about your well delineated moral code

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It's actually quite well delineated: If the person has proven themselves to be a jerkwad, who is shooting his mouth off like we all owe him something, then he gets an instant karma deposit, and we all go our merry way.

If however, he just lacks some information, it behooves you to educate him.

If I had stepped in and said "Dude, you know those Bobs are worth way more than ten bucks" and he said "Screw you *******, get out of my trade" then I wash my hands of him, and let him get taken, because he's proven that he is not just ignorant, but WILLFULLY ignorant.

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Originally posted by nstar612:
Why won't you intervene? Is there is such unspoken rule of not to compete openly in trade offers? If so, that's terrible for the whole community.

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There is an unspoken rule not to interrupt someone else's trade. It's incredibly rude.

Would I want someone interrupting my trades and calling me a ripper every time I'm 10-20% up on a trade? I make my living buying and selling cards, and I'm certainly not going to be the kind of fellow who burns future trading bridges by publicly shaming other traders and poaching their deals.

Now, if it was a child, a specially abled person, etc. I'd intervene every time. I would also intervene if I saw threatening behavior, bullying, etc. But a deal between two consenting adults is their business until I'm given an excuse to get involved.

Not stepping in as a bystander is one thing. Actually committing this awful trade is another.

1. They weren't dealing with 10-20%
2. They weren't dealing with cards at a couple of dollars

How are people not getting this? I get more and more astonished over what people say on the Internet.

Look at it this way. Why was this question being asked? Had this guy valued his cards correctly; would this be a topic? Had someone stepped in and corrected his pricing; would this be a topic?

The fact that this was asked, implies that there was a moral issue and that the actions taking place were wrong. If you or anyone else for that matter thought that this man was capable of valuing his cards properly (not actual value, his personal value) then why didn't someone say something. "Hey those cards are worth hundreds more than what you're getting.

Then with the appropriate info he could have said, "yeah but they're just cards I want the lands."

But, low and behold no one did, why?

BEACAUSE YOU KNEW WHAT WAS HAPPENING WAS WRONG!

I don't pick up litter because it helps me out. I do it because I know it's the "right" thing to do. I don't mean to be overly righteous but these kinds of attitudes are what is wrong with the majority of the world. Everyone only wants to help themselves.

From the majority of the posts on here I've found that most of you feel it's only appropriate to help out children and the disabled. From what I've read, we have quite a few "children" on these boards so I'll help you out.

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There is an unspoken rule not to interrupt someone else's trade. It's incredibly rude.

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You are justifying watching someone be taken advantage of because to interfere would be rude? Are you serious?

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Would I want someone interrupting my trades and calling me a ripper every time I'm 10-20% up on a trade? I make my living buying and selling cards, and I'm certainly not going to be the kind of fellow who burns future trading bridges by publicly shaming other traders and poaching their deals.

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First, I don't care what you would want. If you are acting scummy and taking advantage of other players, I will call you on it. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. I also don't care how you make a living. Sitting idle while someone who obviously has no clue gets raped for hundreds of dollars is shameful. Poaching deals? What is this? A game of predator prey now? I don't care if he was Bill Gates, I would not allow anyone to value their Bobs at $10.

I'm kind of glad I don't play in stores that often anymore. If you (a judge at that!) are indicative of the type of people hanging out at stores, i'm better off playing with friends.

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Originally posted by Nitelite:
You are justifying watching someone be taken advantage of because to interfere would be rude? Are you serious?

First, I don't care what you would want. If you are acting scummy and taking advantage of other players, I will call you on it. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. I also don't care how you make a living. Sitting idle while someone who obviously has no clue gets raped for hundreds of dollars is shameful. Poaching deals? What is this? A game of predator prey now? I don't care if he was Bill Gates, I would not allow anyone to value their Bobs at $10.

I'm kind of glad I don't play in stores that often anymore. If you (a judge at that!) are indicative of the type of people hanging out at stores, i'm better off playing with friends.

I don't mean to come off high and mighty but honestly, some of you guys disgust me. Anything for a buck huh? moral integrity be damned! FORWARD!

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If someone is giving you values why would you ever tell them they are incorrect if they were that badly

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Originally posted by paragondave:

Sounds like they're on to you at your local store...bummer

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I'm glad you feel morally superior enough to make such judgements, completely devoid of context. The trade was 4 sinkholes for a polluted delta and a played flooded strand, by the way. Thanks for asking though. Wouldn't want to discourage your enthusiasm to appear morally superior to internet strangers, you judgmental donkey.

Like I said, personal responsibility goes a long way. I find it interesting that some of the people in this thread advocating intervention are also people that lament the good ol' days when rares were traded straight across for other rares, and price guides rarely entered a trade conversation.

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
Is there a bridge in this thread?

If someone is giving you values why would you ever tell them they are incorrect if they were that badly

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Originally posted by Devonin:
Because it is the right thing to do.

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...and we have a bingo!
To disagree and defend the 'shark' is to comfort one's self for his own cloudy actions.

Problem is, it's like standing up to a bully. Most people won't do it.

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
I'm glad you feel morally superior enough to make such judgements, completely devoid of context. The trade was 4 sinkholes for a polluted delta and a played flooded strand, by the way. Thanks for asking though. Wouldn't want to discourage your enthusiasm to appear morally superior to internet strangers, you judgmental donkey.

Like I said, personal responsibility goes a long way. I find it interesting that some of the people in this thread advocating intervention are also people that lament the good ol' days when rares were traded straight across for other rares, and price guides rarely entered a trade conversation.

Of course both sides of this moral issue can be taken to an extreme, but that wasn't my point. I was refuting the notion that there are black and white answers to moral or ethical situations.

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I don't need to 'appear' morally superior, I need to BE morally superior, to your example anyway...and I am. As for me being a judgemental donkey....guilty as charged but I bet you wouldn't say that to my face while I was rescuing your next victim at your local shop.

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Originally posted by johnstown713:
I missed the part where supplementing income through transactions of a collectable card game by an exchange of two willing and able parties who respectfully agree upon their own values warrants me getting stoned to death.

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
I was refuting the notion that there are black and white answers to moral or ethical situations.

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This isn't about the specific dilemma at hand, but you do know that is also a "black and white" argument?

If it's black and white to you that there are no black and white answers to situations, isn't that awkward?

It's actually much more contextual to apply a right/wrong to the action in the situation because right/wrong is entirely contextual. Whereas, anyone could just say, "There is no black and white answer to anything."

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Originally posted by Kelldroth:
There is an unspoken rule not to interrupt someone else's trade. It's incredibly rude.

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I take it that this is your own unspoken rule that no one interrupts your shot at making 10-20%. I am sure that person who's getting ripped wouldn't object to such interruption. Also, I don't consider throwing out a better offer as interruption.

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Originally posted by nstar612:
I take it that this is your own unspoken rule that no one interrupts your shot at making 10-20%. I am sure that person who's getting ripped wouldn't object to such interruption. Also, I don't consider throwing out a better offer as interruption.

Most people are well aware that stores/deals need to make 10-20% in each trade. If this is your living, I think people will appreciate your honesty if you price cards fairly and let them know you are a dealer. Your reputation will go much further if you conduct your business that way.

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Problem is, you also wouldn't have any stores to play in, calling people as Sharks gets you hated out quick, believe the phrase is "No Good deed unpunished"

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Originally posted by marlo213:
Stop making things up, it's fine to tell people that you are trading for profit, but like heck are people more willing to trade with you. Everyone wants full value for their stuff, especially people that don't trade online, even if they are trying to get your snapcaster when all they have are gilded lotis.

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Originally posted by nstar612:
I was referring to dealers who does this for living. For you casual traders, yes don't go around telling people that you only trade for profit.

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Why not? If you tell them upfront, and they are still willing to trade, I see no issue. If they refuse to trade, again no issue.

Also people think this whole deal is Black and White, it really isn't, wish it was, but history has show that's not the case, in fact I used to be the one to step in on deals that were obvious rips, all that did was **** off people at the store.

Let people be accountable for their own actions and you yours, second you start thinking you know better then others, right or wrong you will only **** people off.

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Originally posted by paragondave:
There is a big difference between getting stoned to death and getting called out for being a scumbag, when you out yourself intentionally, on a public discussion thread...but I did chuckle at your choice of words...truly biblical. 'nother for you!

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No point in back and forth internet banter without a few smiles here and there. I tend to overcompensate for my tiny e-peen with text making myself seem smarter than I actually am. Then again I make fun of myself on a daily basis just to get a laugh and keep things interesting.

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Originally posted by paragondave:
I don't need to 'appear' morally superior, I need to BE morally superior, to your example anyway...and I am. As for me being a judgemental donkey....guilty as charged but I bet you wouldn't say that to my face while I was rescuing your next victim at your local shop.

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Given that I'm not a small man, yes, I would definitely get in your face. Because you lack comprehension. The idiot in my example was accusing the guy I was trading with of ripping me off, because in his haste to "rescue someone from a bad deal", he failed to notice that my sinkholes were in SP to MP condition, which made the trade fair value. So I told him, loud enough for the rest of the store to hear, to pull his head out of his ass and stay out of trades he's not involved in. It seems you suffer from the same ignorance as that kid; too eager to right a perceived wrong, and no time to let pesky facts get in the way of your moral crusade.

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
Morally i have no problems with this, its just business. Unless someone is mentally inept and can't think for themselves there really shouldn't be an issue in the day of information at your fingertips.

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If you're asking me they should be treated as equals out of respect. I personally enjoy preying on children and the weak of mind.