I'm amazed this topic has warranted 6 pages of back and forth. Most of which screams: 'LOOK AT MY MORALLY SUPERIOR *****!'. Here's the bottom lines:

That LGS is shady. Marlo is shady. His friends are shady.

That being said, it is up to you to know the value of your cards. If you can't be bothered to take the 10 minutes to price such a small amount then maybe you should just ebay the works of it or quit.

Thirdly, I trade so that the person across from me is happy. This may include remembering people that have done me a solid in a trade deal so later on when they ask for a lopsided trade I say "sure". I don't interrupt or steal trades from other people, as I am a trader and may want to trade with both parties. I've also been told (after the trade was completed and I felt a comment was necessary on price structure) to mind my own business in a less-than-polite fashion. From both parties.
So from what I have learned, morally superior or not, this is a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't ' situation. Regardless of how you think you would react, every action has a consequence. Sure, maybe the new guy will love to trade with you with the junk he has left over, but on the flipside you'll make many an enemy that will not trade with you for interrupting, being pegged a 'trade stealer'. You can get the notice of being a bigger shark.

No good deed goes unrewarded. No bad deed goes unnoticed. But this topic is terrible. It just shows further and further how MOTL is becoming a ****ing contest between members more about trading cards. Pretty sad really. Like how very few people here remember that opinions are like (expletive), everyones got one.

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Originally posted by B14ckM4g3:
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I'm amazed this topic has warranted 6 pages of back and forth. more stuff...

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it warranted a nice lengthy response from you...

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Originally posted by wild-ravager:
Thankful in a way I don't go to fnms anymore I stepped in on trade to help a new kid out with a d-bag and he bowed up at me and all the workers and the son of the owner said we could step out back but he wouldn't come I think it's funny how someone wants to grow a pair after trying for rip a kid off when someone stands up for the kid then back down

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Originally posted by B14ckM4g3:
I'm a trader. I trade alot. Not so much on this site as it has gone to hell in a handbasket, but I'm still pretty active in my local area. Anyway:

I'm amazed this topic has warranted 6 pages of back and forth. Most of which screams: 'LOOK AT MY MORALLY SUPERIOR *****!'. Here's the bottom lines:

That LGS is shady. Marlo is shady. His friends are shady.

That being said, it is up to you to know the value of your cards. If you can't be bothered to take the 10 minutes to price such a small amount then maybe you should just ebay the works of it or quit.

Thirdly, I trade so that the person across from me is happy. This may include remembering people that have done me a solid in a trade deal so later on when they ask for a lopsided trade I say "sure". I don't interrupt or steal trades from other people, as I am a trader and may want to trade with both parties. I've also been told (after the trade was completed and I felt a comment was necessary on price structure) to mind my own business in a less-than-polite fashion. From both parties.
So from what I have learned, morally superior or not, this is a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't ' situation. Regardless of how you think you would react, every action has a consequence. Sure, maybe the new guy will love to trade with you with the junk he has left over, but on the flipside you'll make many an enemy that will not trade with you for interrupting, being pegged a 'trade stealer'. You can get the notice of being a bigger shark.

No good deed goes unrewarded. No bad deed goes unnoticed. But this topic is terrible. It just shows further and further how MOTL is becoming a ****ing contest between members more about trading cards. Pretty sad really. Like how very few people here remember that opinions are like (expletive), everyones got one.

Maybe it's time to just make a new site. MOTL seem's worse everyday (side rant about the lack of updates, maintenance, etc).

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I hope this guy was at least 18+ and out of high school.

I have little to no respect for sharking kids that aren't old enough to be on their own.

On the other hand, if somebody is older than roughly that age then I'd probably have kept my mouth shut.

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Originally posted by wild-ravager:
Thankful in a way I don't go to fnms anymore I stepped in on trade to help a new kid out with a d-bag and he bowed up at me and all the workers and the son of the owner said we could step out back but he wouldn't come I think it's funny how someone wants to grow a pair after trying for rip a kid off when someone stands up for the kid then back down

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The friend is a pretty loyal customer and does buy some pretty useless stuff from the store, and does participate in random events just so there wouldn't be 7 people sitting around for the 8th for a draft.

Basically the manager asked my friend to talk to the guy and compensate him for whatever he can. My friend apologized to the guy and said that he had no idea that there was such a big difference in prize. But he doesn't have any of the cards now so he gave the guy all of his store credits (~$50) and gave him some other cards he needed for his deck (silver blade paladin or champion or something).

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Originally posted by marlo213:

I personally wouldn't have given him **** and told him to put his story on here, because apparently there are nice suckers on here that give out volcanic islands if you cry a bad enough sob story

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Originally posted by marlo213:
So mob justice for you avengers out there. So this is what I heard, the dude that got hosed came back and was apparently aware of the handling he has gotten. It didn't make him quit magic, but he did chat with an employee about it and the word got to the manager. So the manager asked my friend about it and my friend basically said that he didn't know what the cards were worth or at least didn't entire know, but figured that he was probably ahead, just not by that significant of a margin.

The friend is a pretty loyal customer and does buy some pretty useless stuff from the store, and does participate in random events just so there wouldn't be 7 people sitting around for the 8th for a draft.

Basically the manager asked my friend to talk to the guy and compensate him for whatever he can. My friend apologized to the guy and said that he had no idea that there was such a big difference in prize. But he doesn't have any of the cards now so he gave the guy all of his store credits (~$50) and gave him some other cards he needed for his deck (silver blade paladin or champion or something).

I personally wouldn't have given him **** and told him to put his story on here, because apparently there are nice suckers on here that give out volcanic islands if you cry a bad enough sob story

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Originally posted by Devonin:
Well now he's gone from "I'll just say nothing, and let you draw your own conclusions" to "Actual explicit lying to someone's face"

Who wants to still defend his actions, so I know who to not trade with.

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Originally posted by marlo213:

I personally wouldn't have given him **** and told him to put his story on here, because apparently there are nice suckers on here that give out volcanic islands if you cry a bad enough sob story

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Originally posted by marlo213:
So mob justice for you avengers out there. So this is what I heard, the dude that got hosed came back and was apparently aware of the handling he has gotten. It didn't make him quit magic, but he did chat with an employee about it and the word got to the manager. So the manager asked my friend about it and my friend basically said that he didn't know what the cards were worth or at least didn't entire know, but figured that he was probably ahead, just not by that significant of a margin.

The friend is a pretty loyal customer and does buy some pretty useless stuff from the store, and does participate in random events just so there wouldn't be 7 people sitting around for the 8th for a draft.

Basically the manager asked my friend to talk to the guy and compensate him for whatever he can. My friend apologized to the guy and said that he had no idea that there was such a big difference in prize. But he doesn't have any of the cards now so he gave the guy all of his store credits (~$50) and gave him some other cards he needed for his deck (silver blade paladin or champion or something).

I personally wouldn't have given him **** and told him to put his story on here, because apparently there are nice suckers on here that give out volcanic islands if you cry a bad enough sob story

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It's interesting that your friend no longer has the cards, hmmm. Did he trade them away for the low value that he himself was valuing them? Why did he buy you all soda's and was amazingly content if he didn't know of the shenanigans at play?

He is an out and out liar to tell the store manager that he didn't know himself of the r..ing that was occuring. If you really want to learn something, learn this. Being around people like that will not make you a better person and get you far in life. Most of these people one day rip the wrong person and a reckoning will come. I guarantee it.

Treating everyone with respect and honesty get you farther in life than ripping some unknown person. It is not a holier than thou way some of us come off. We have been in these situations and are made better because of it. You never know who you are trading with. They could one day help you in life, be a life long friend, or just a one time trade.

Glad the guy who got ripped at least got a little more out of the deal. Still not enough, but he learned a valuable lesson about how not to trust anyone, including fellow magic players.

I hope your friend learned something too, but I have my doubts. He probably felt he was being shaken down by the manager and extremely lucky the manager didn't exile him from the store for a month/two or forevever. Then he would of lost face, friends and having to find a new magic home. All for not being a bit more honest.

It would seem you yourself would of done the same thing. I doubt you learned anything, with your, I wouldn't of given him s..t comment.

And, I may not of given the guy a Volcanic Island, but I have no problem kicking down some cards every once in a while (ask my Secret Santa recipient...I got no where near as much as I gave out and had no expectations that I would and that is fine with me). It is a game after all and I have been blessed with early entry into this game and made some great friends in the process have a nice collection and have enjoyed a great hobby).

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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
The best way to sustain MTG as a hobby and a game is to encourage people to take advantage of each other until we have one champion with all the cards and everyone else ragequits. While your friend might have won that night, I'm sure he won't win very much at life with that mentality.

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BTW this is a picture of my friend if you are curious

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Originally posted by Bugger:
So you're acting childishly... and claiming that your childish behavior is superior (this of course assumes you're being serious here and aren't trying to cover your ass after being called out on a different flavor of pathetic behavior).

Man, what a punchline you are.

Yeah, silly us, for recognizing what the right thing to do is. The more words I read from you, the less I like you as a person. You seem just awful. Really.

EDIT: It's pretty telling that your stance now is no longer to disagree with the suggestion that what you're advocating is immoral, but rather trying to attack the credibility of people calling you out on it, as if that even ****ing matters.

Color me amused.

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You're the one putting quotes around words I've never said and I'M the one acting childish? If you want a punchline, go look in a mirror. I gave an honest response to a realistic situation. If you guys are comfortable lying to yourselves, that's your problem.

I've seen a deal similar to the OP go down, back when extended rotation was chopped to the most recent 4 blocks, essentially making shocklands worthless for a few months. One trader was trading off his shocklands literally the day of the announcement, hoping to unload them before their value tanked. The guy he was trading had standard-legal staples on his end.

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Originally posted by majicman:

I hope your friend learned something too, but I have my doubts. He probably felt he was being shaken down by the manager and extremely lucky the manager didn't exile him from the store for a month/two or forevever. Then he would of lost face, friends and having to find a new magic home. All for not being a bit more honest.

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What store rules or laws is he breaking here? Why would he get booted? He's not selling things in the store, not being rude/loud/obnoxious (presumably), not stealing, not cheating in a game.

You guys can backseat moderate trades all ya want or whatever, that's what good samaritans do I guess, but why are you expecting the store owner to kick a guy out who spends money there because he got a good trade?

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Originally posted by hilikuS:
What store rules or laws is he breaking here? Why would he get booted? He's not selling things in the store, not being rude/loud/obnoxious (presumably), not stealing, not cheating in a game.

You guys can backseat moderate trades all ya want or whatever, that's what good samaritans do I guess, but why are you expecting the store owner to kick a guy out who spends money there because he got a good trade?

This shady dude has $50 in credit at the store apparently. To me that says he plays there regularly.

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If a guy is doing more damage than good to a store, the owner has the right to boot him. If you are a jerk and nobody wants to play at the store, easier to lose one customer than lots.

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Originally posted by paragondave:
I got a foil Smite says this guy wins a MOTL award next year. Any takers?

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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
If a guy is doing more damage than good to a store, the owner has the right to boot him. If you are a jerk and nobody wants to play at the store, easier to lose one customer than lots.

I'll wager you a blatant thievery instead?

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Yeah I guess that makes sense. I know we have a guy kind of like that around here, and people have said they won't go to the place I frequent because of him.

I know I mentioned it before that I think it's hard to shake that bad reputation once you have it. To me that seems like punishment enough. I'm just always hesitant to give people the training wheels, but that's a personal thing. The guy got rolled and doesn't know his stuff, then he got rolled and doesn't know his stuff.

When he figures it out he won't be happy, the guy who did it to him will be a shark, and that's how it went.

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Originally posted by hilikuS:
Yeah I guess that makes sense. I know we have a guy kind of like that around here, and people have said they won't go to the place I frequent because of him.

I know I mentioned it before that I think it's hard to shake that bad reputation once you have it. To me that seems like punishment enough. I'm just always hesitant to give people the training wheels, but that's a personal thing. The guy got rolled and doesn't know his stuff, then he got rolled and doesn't know his stuff.

When he figures it out he won't be happy, the guy who did it to him will be a shark, and that's how it went.

I agree with all of you that it shouldn't have happened, and that it is dishonest. I just can't get behind the part where it becomes a moral decision to tell the guy he's getting rolled.

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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
Like I said, if the guy asked if his cards were valued that low I kind of feel honesty should trigger. Maybe..SCG buy price lowball him...? But if he tells you thoughtseizes are 10 each, then you have been told something and you are morally in the clear to roll with it. If somebody came up to me with goyfs who hadn't played in years and asked me what they were worth, you guys would say I was a dirtbag if I said it was a bulk rare when it came out why would I want it now, and offer a dollar each. Maybe that puts perspective on it.

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And as gross as keeping your mouth shut and letting a guy rip himself off is, it's still not as bad as what he did after when confronted which was to just barefaced lie and claim that he had no idea the cards were worth so much more, and -then- claim he'd already gotten rid of all the cards.

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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
Like I said, if the guy asked if his cards were valued that low I kind of feel honesty should trigger. Maybe..SCG buy price lowball him...? But if he tells you thoughtseizes are 10 each, then you have been told something and you are morally in the clear to roll with it. If somebody came up to me with goyfs who hadn't played in years and asked me what they were worth, you guys would say I was a dirtbag if I said it was a bulk rare when it came out why would I want it now, and offer a dollar each. Maybe that puts perspective on it.

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See I would sit there and tell him they're like $80, but at the same time I can't blame anybody for doing otherwise. I guess that's my point.