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Originally posted by XplicitR:
You suspecting someone is almost like the seer clearing them. Go ahead and voice your opinion but this time explain why you think we are your top suspects.

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1) Since when are you and fwy a combined entity of "we"? The only people who are a "we" is the mafia. Are you two scum together? The use of "we" is especially sketchy given that I've made my suspicions of fwy abundantly clear, so you really have no reason to stand up for him as town.

2) Unfunny troll is unfunny. This is what, the third time you've hid behind "AGM sucks" as an excuse for playing the game? I've seen very little scumhunting from you. Oh yeah, and you STILL haven't answered any of my questions.

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Originally posted by MasterWolf:
One of the first two to switch off WCF. If he's mafia, then I think you and OGB are suspect to be mafia. Only one of you though.

Here's my logic, and of course it depends on WCF being mafia.

Either OGB or Bernek are mafia, eager to switch votes and show how innocent they are.

Third mafia would be among the following group:
AlmasterGM
Bugger
MeddlingMage
Thanos

I think only those four would have stones to switch WCF into suicide mode. Again this depends on the WCF role, and I could of course be completely wrong. thror and Zak have shown a skill level not to be expected from a new-ish player.

P.S. Zak could be lying about this being the only game he ever played. No guarantee he's telling the truth.

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Voting Results :

• AlmasterGM - fwybwed (1)
• Bernek77 - WCFmo (1)
• Bugger - Montague (1)
• fwybwed - Thanos (1)
• Jazaray - WCFmo (2)
• MasterWolf - Bernek77 (1)
• MeddlingMage - WCFmo (3)
• Montague - WCFmo (4)
• OGB - WCFmo (5)
• Thanos - WCFmo (6)
• thror - Montague (2)
• WCFmo - MasterWolf (1)
• XplicitR - Montague (3)
• Zakman86 - AlmasterGM (1)
  

Mafia Leader, I need a name.

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Originally posted by OGB:
I'm not sure where you get the fact that I changed my vote. I declared that I was voting WCFmo on Monday after Zak made the post about WCFmo switching his vote to PD last minute under the guise of saving himself.

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Originally posted by AlmasterGM:
1) Since when are you and fwy a combined entity of "we"? The only people who are a "we" is the mafia. Are you two scum together? The use of "we" is especially sketchy given that I've made my suspicions of fwy abundantly clear, so you really have no reason to stand up for him as town.

2) Unfunny troll is unfunny. This is what, the third time you've hid behind "AGM sucks" as an excuse for playing the game? I've seen very little scumhunting from you. Oh yeah, and you STILL haven't answered any of my questions.

3) I explained why you and fWy were my top suspects a few posts ago. You should know - you partially responded to one. Why do you keep pretending like I'm not doing any work?

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Your reasons are incorrect. I say we because you referred to me and fwy together. ("This is what, the third time you've hid behind "AGM sucks" as an excuse for playing the game?") I don't need any excuses to play this game and I surely don't need to make up anything in my life either as some of us don't stoop that low.

I have been vocal about why I was suspicious about Montague and explained it in detail. However when other players started to listen you go ahead and accuse me of jumping onto a bandwagon against him. I know you are smarter than that AGM, so your current tactics dumbfound me beyond belief.

Players votes due Friday Night. Midnight MOTL time (Pacific if you didn't know).

Check your private messages MasterWolf (and other cits that die in future rounds), the Tillamook Zombie Club would love to have you join our e-mail discussion.

More to come later

What exactly was going on with WCFmo and Jazaray? I refer to this exchange:

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Jazaray:
I really don't like WCFmo's posts thus far.

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WCFmo:
What exactly don't you like about my posts? Your original analysis said zak was the one being coached and I was just confusing.

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Jazaray
@WCF: Actually, what I said was: about WCFmo: I agree with people's take on him, his jumping on PD because "OMG, I'd better switch or I'm gonna get lynched" thing was extremely suspicious, IMHO.

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WCFmo:
Understandable Jaz. Voting monty I guess.
I KNEW I found you suspicious though.

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WCFmo
As well as Jaz's flimsy meaning change to me.

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Jazaray:
What, on earth, are you talking about? I changed nothing.

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WCFmo
Fine I'll vote Masterwolf.

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I think Bernek may be on to something here. He pointed out how weird this whole exchange was. I can't figure out whether it's contrived or WCFmo just imploding against a baffled cit.
I'm going to have to reread Jaz's posts as well as WCF's.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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A Plastered Dragon Original Limerick:
There was a nice lassie named Jaz
Many wished to have what she has,
A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.

EDIT: Yep, I sent it. It's there in my outbox. Can anyone tell me how to take screenshots so I can post it?

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Originally posted by Bugger:
Waitaminnit- I definitely changed my vote to WCFmo. I did it right after I posted I would.

EDIT: Yep, I sent it. It's there in my outbox. Can anyone tell me how to take screenshots so I can post it?

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Originally posted by Bugger:

Also @ Jaz: It's less that you said/behaved oddly and more that WCFmo's entire exchange with you smelled like it was very badly forced. Whereas, for example, his argument with OGB and Zakman(? I think it was Zakman) were not. Not saying those two are cits, but still...

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I still don't understand what you mean, but I guess there's not much you can do about that. I was asked by bernek to provide more of an analysis, so I did and WCFmo seemed to have a problem with part of my analysis and then misspoke what I had said in an earlier post. I corrected that and he posted something about me changing something, which I did not.

I still think there is something fishy with your posts, and I'm still wary of Zak.

Thanks,
Jazaray

__________________
A Plastered Dragon Original Limerick:
There was a nice lassie named Jaz
Many wished to have what she has,
A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.

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Originally posted by Jazaray:

I still think there is something fishy with your posts, and I'm still wary of Zak.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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Quite frankly, if you weren't wary of me, I'd be more suspicious of you than I am.

Now that we're down to 2 Mafia, I expect to see one of them in the bandwagon in both rounds, and one of them not.

Last round's votes:

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Originally posted by Votes from last Round:
Voting Results :

Bernek77 - WCFmo (1)
Jazaray - WCFmo (2)
MeddlingMage - WCFmo (3)
Montague - WCFmo (4)
OGB - WCFmo (5)
Thanos - WCFmo (6)
Bugger - WCFMo? (7) (Officially Montague on the board but I want to see Bugger's PM picture, please.)

thror - Montague (2)
XplicitR - Montague (3)
MasterWolf - Bernek77 (1)
fwybwed - Thanos (1)
Zakman86 - AlmasterGM (1)
AlmasterGM - fwybwed (1)

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Now, let's take these results and Juxtapose them with Round 1:

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Originally posted by Round 1 Results:
* AlmasterGM - PlasteredDragon (1)
* Bernek77 - PlasteredDragon (2)
* fwybwed - PlasteredDragon (3)
* MeddlingMage - PlasteredDragon (4)
* Montague - PlasteredDragon (5)
* Thanos - WCFmo (3)
* Bugger - Zakman86 (1)
* OGB - Zakman86 (2)
* thror - Thanos (1)
* Jazaray - fwybwed (1)
* XplicitR - Montague (1)
* Zakman86 - Bernek77 (1)

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Knowing that WCFMo was Mafia, if my theory that I've stated is correct regarding Mafia voting packs, that leaves only one Mafia out of the people who have voted for both PD AND WCFMo. Those people are:

Bernek
MeddlingMage
Montague

These 3 people have been on both bandwagons, and garner my suspicion based on that.

In addition, I believe there is one Mafia of the people who voted for NEITHER PD or WCFMo. Those people are:

XplicitR
thror

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Originally posted by Jazaray:
I still don't understand what you mean, but I guess there's not much you can do about that. I was asked by bernek to provide more of an analysis, so I did and WCFmo seemed to have a problem with part of my analysis and then misspoke what I had said in an earlier post. I corrected that and he posted something about me changing something, which I did not.

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Well, by the point at which your exchange began, WCFmo was already cruising for a lynching (in terms of votes, not attitude). An additional interaction between a scum and another player at that point would be entirely unnessecary. Your entire exchange, which I quoted in full, felt extraordinarily contrived, which is not only bizarre on its own but even more so considering how comparatively smoothly the dialogue flowed between WCFmo and OGB (and other players he tangled with). So the question is, was he doing it to make you look innocent or suspicious? That's why I intend to reread all the posts you've made this game. I want to know if he was bluffing to protect scum, or trying to implicate a cit.

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I still think there is something fishy with your posts, and I'm still wary of Zak.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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I saw you post as much earlier:

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and something about Bugger's posts... bug me. I'm not sure exactly what, but they remind me somehow of PD's posts last round. Just an odd "feel" to them.

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I must not be hearing you correctly, because why would you claim I am suspicious for behaving like a known cit?

EDIT: The screenshot will have to wait until tonight; I don't have Paint on my laptop.

Zak: Your continually accurate insight still bothers me at a visceral level, but I think it's sincere. If you were being coached, your posts would more closely resemble another player's; the style you have now feels completely different from anyone else's. Additionally, I don't know how many (if any at all) of the old WW games you've played, but most of the pile analysis theories you've covered in the post above this have indeed been proven correct.

For a first time player you catch on pretty quick. Dissecting piles, posting a list of suspicious characters, Coming up with theories. I mean let's be honest, I have commend you on your extraordinary play up to this point. It is your play though right? I mean this is all you up to this point correct? No help from no one?

I am not buying it! For a first time player to just even read along a few games and then jump right in like you have been laying this game for a while is out right insane. Playing helpful Citizen, trying to guide people to look at certain patterns.

I am one to believe that Mafia does vote random and does latch on to piles. But all together do it both rounds? That is a first. Not saying its not possible. WCFmo jumped on the PD wagon at the very end claiming to have to save himself. No he didn't, he made a rookie mistake(which I have not seen in ANY of your posts). PD was my lead suspect in round 1, an WCFmo was my lead in round 2. I don't get how that makes me a suspect.

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How many times do I have to have sex with your mom before you realize we have something special.

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
Zakman your list is pretty convenient for people that voted for both and people who voted for neither. It seems your missing one person on that list. Can you figure who seems to be that player? YOU!

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I am one to believe that Mafia does vote random and does latch on to piles. But all together do it both rounds? That is a first. Not saying its not possible. WCFmo jumped on the PD wagon at the very end claiming to have to save himself. No he didn't, he made a rookie mistake(which I have not seen in ANY of your posts). PD was my lead suspect in round 1, an WCFmo was my lead in round 2. I don't get how that makes me a suspect.

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You're correct: I'm as suspicious as thror or XPR based on my votes. To be quite frank, my voting plan last round got shredded by WCFMo going crazy. I still plan on revealing what I was thinking at the end of the game regarding that. However, if the mafia lets me last past round 3 or 4, I would be amazed. I figure that the top 3 targets for Mafia NightKills at the moment are myself, Bugger, and AGM, simply because we're the most talkative and the biggest threats. AGM is somewhat of a loose cannon, and the mafia may feel that he would be the best of the 3 of us to keep.

I want to also bring something up that I said earlier:

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Originally posted by Me:
For everyone who thinks that MW is going to be the next Mafia Kill: I think you're wrong. I think it'll either be myself, Bugger or AGM. Why, you ask? Simple: Assuming that I'm Mafia, my first thought would be to keep a confirmed cit around as long as possible. That means 1 or 2 of my Mafia cronies can bandwagon with him at every turn. Yes, his suspicions are good for the Cits... but at the same time, they're a shelter for the Mafia. Watch the people who bandwagon with MW every round.

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Also bernek said what I wanted to say: be objective so if ur analysis is excluding you it doesn't make it much of an analysis.

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Originally posted by Bugger:
Well, by the point at which your exchange began, WCFmo was already cruising for a lynching (in terms of votes, not attitude). An additional interaction between a scum and another player at that point would be entirely unnessecary. Your entire exchange, which I quoted in full, felt extraordinarily contrived, which is not only bizarre on its own but even more so considering how comparatively smoothly the dialogue flowed between WCFmo and OGB (and other players he tangled with). So the question is, was he doing it to make you look innocent or suspicious? That's why I intend to reread all the posts you've made this game. I want to know if he was bluffing to protect scum, or trying to implicate a cit.

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Well, I can answer that one, he was trying to implicate a cit, although I somehow doubt you'll take my word on that one.

All I can say is that maybe he was trying to stay alive and either trying and get me to change my vote or trying to throw suspicion onto me and off of him, because I "changed something" or whatnot (I still don't know what he meant).

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Originally posted by Bugger:

I must not be hearing you correctly, because why would you claim I am suspicious for behaving like a known cit?
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I'm sorry Bugger, I meant last round, as in last game. The last round of Mafia. If you'll recall, I posted something similar about PD's posting that game.

XR: Got any reasons for your high suspicions list?

Zak: I would also like to know why you would consider yourself "one of the top three targets for a nightkill" As for the rest of your "why wouldn't I have left MW alive like I said the mafia would do" part, isn't that what people refer to was WIFOM?

Thanks,
Jazaray

__________________
A Plastered Dragon Original Limerick:
There was a nice lassie named Jaz
Many wished to have what she has,
A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.

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Originally posted by Jazaray:
Zak: I would also like to know why you would consider yourself "one of the top three targets for a nightkill" As for the rest of your "why wouldn't I have left MW alive like I said the mafia would do" part, isn't that what people refer to was WIFOM?

Thanks,
Jazaray

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Originally posted by Zakman86:
Basically, the strategy would be to take out the strongest players that are making the best points so that there's a better chance of staying hidden. That's my conjecture (but again, I could be wrong).

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So why do you consider yourself one of the strongest players again?

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Originally posted by XplicitR:
I also suspect agm but my iphone wouldn't let me add him

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