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I think Zakman is caught up, as the new player is starting to kick in. He is not that familiar with playing the game and IMO I think he isn't lying but getting tripped up. He does not know how to handle the pressure.

When LA3 started this game I stood by and felt that the finger getting pointed at him was incorrect. Zakman took over and there has been doubt brought about his play up to this point. He has been sharp, a little too sharp which I have pointed out.

I am more inclined to look at the people that have jumped all over this. I think that mafia might be behind this push right now.

Zakman you never vote for a confirmed citizen, I don't care how much of a plan you had. And not sharing information is not helping the citizens win. This is a team game, there is no prize for getting everything right. We have to do whatever it takes an communication is the only asset the cits have to win.

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Originally posted by AlmasterGM:
If I am NK'd (which I probably won't be, but I'd rather plan for it than kick myself later), my advice is the following:

1) If WCFmo flips scum, look at people who quickly abandoned their previous suspects to nuke him. This is called bussing - they are probably mafia.
2) Fwy and XplicitR are my top suspects.
3) Let Bugger live until the second to last round. Do not let him talk you into living any longer.

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"If i am NK'd" really!?!? with a confirmed cit out you think maybe you maybe NK'd thats a big assumption and very brazen for you to assume outloud as if you had some REAL evidence to convict anyone on this board atm.... and thats a big NO! Or maybe thats what you want us to perceive???

as for:

1. WCf is mafia - of course there would have a huge wagon on him as he made sure of it...with alot changing their votes, and I think you knew this would happen. hence your vote for me instead of WCF. You stated I and other have made no real contribution yet there are other citizens other then myself who have contributed FAR LESS.

2. With Xpr and I been your top suspects, and that FACT I did not vote for WCF but my own suspect "Thanos" where does that leave in line with you first issue... do we go by your list here, first off the WCF lyncher's? Then start with number 2 XPR and myself?

3. Letting Bugger live to the 2nd last round!?!? do you know when the second to last round is going to be...you seem assured that you know this answer....

myself as a citizen I know when this game is over and thats when the last Mafia member is HUNG...the only way u would make a timeline statement i would think is if you have an agenda...MAYBE on how many people are left alive, a mafia to cit ratio maybe!?!?

to me this is considered "herding"

Get them in.

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Originally posted by Bugger:
WCFmo much? This is your third blatant contradiction. If the person you're voting for is not on your suspect list, how can looking at your suspect list inform the rest of the players as to who you're voting for? It can't. Sp either you are voting for someone who you don't think is suspicious, and lying about it (as well as not revealing their name), or you are voting for someone who is off your list and you do find suspicious, but are lying about their being on your suspect list. Any way you slice it, you're lying. If a cit were acting like this they would have to be purely irrational. No, worse. There is absolutely no motive for a cit to make this kind of logic gibberish. But a scum going down in flames has a very clear motive to be as inscrutable and informatively empty as possible. I'll concede that, to a degree, it's WIFOM, but there is simply no reason for a cit to act like this, repeatedly.

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Originally posted by AlmasterGM:
It's not WIFOM at all. This reason is sufficient alone to lynch Zak.

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I used the term wrong, sorry. I mean that it doesn't conclusively suggest scumminess, but makes perfect sense if we already assume scum.

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Originally posted by Bugger:
I used the term wrong, sorry. I mean that it doesn't conclusively suggest scumminess, but makes perfect sense if we already assume scum.

On a non-zakman related note: What exactly are IIoA and AtE? (asked to community at large)

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Lynch all liars is a good policy all around, whether we presume scum or not. Although I get what you are saying about the latter part of your post.

IIoA stands for information instead of analysis. It's used to describe players who give you lots of information that is usually fluff (ask questions, talk about things unrelated to the game, comment on posts but don't draw any conclusions, summarize or repeat arguments already made) but never actually scumhunt. In essence, they are trying to appear to as though they are present and playing the game when they actually are not.

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Originally posted by XplicitR:
AGM: it is definitely you ignoring him. If you weren't then how can you say u want to get me and fwy lynched for our "lack of contribution". You are contradicting yourself here.

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No, I'm not. There is a difference between active lurking (posting fluff in the thread so it looks like you are present, but not actually doing any scumhunting) and plain old not being there (e.g., Montague). Montague's lack of contribution is not the same as yours. Thus, it is non contradictory for me to suspect you and not him.

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Originally posted by XplicitR:
Also you say that I contradicted myself above when it's pretty clear that I mean that PD should have lived without cit interference up to round 4 and even longer when we have the seer.

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I don't think that was clear at all. Here is what you said:

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Originally posted by XplicitR:
@PD: What did you mean when you said if you are still around by R4 you will make sure you aren't? I know what is going to happen though, if you are mafia you will live past it and keep saying "oh you can do it next round why do it now?" like you always do and convince those who are too in love with your leadership not to lynch you. Then its the final 4 and you can win and say "Aroooooo...".

Both games where I suspected you of being mafia/wolf, no one really took it seriously and you ended up being one, and then after say the argument that you being still alive is horrid. However in every early game that is what you say that you won't be around later so why waste a lynch and lo and behold whenever you are mafia you make it to the end.

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Sounds to me like you are indicting the "Leave PD around until Round 4-5" logic, not endorsing it.

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Originally posted by XplicitR:
It's only when we don't have the seer that someone like pd is truely dangerous.

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Like in this game, where Gawain was outed?

P.S. Questions. You haven't answered them.

Masterwolf before he left thought he is the most dangerous person in this game.

I think Xplicitr and Fwybwed might of sniffed one out

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I'm wondering if Monty is mafia.

Before WCF went ballistic, Monty was the popular vote. Yes, WCF was going for Monty, but I'm thinking that it could have been just like when Mafia "suspect" one of their own. I know it, I've done as Mafia and as WW.

However, when they saw that the "Monty wagon" was getting really going, which they didn't think would happen (The people that first brought it up about suspecting Monty, are the people no one usually listens to, no?), they decided that having Monty around would be much more beneficial than having a n00b as one of the last remaining mafia, especially one that was under as much suspicion as WCF was. So, they planned his "sacrifice".

Now that WCF is gone.. no one really seems to suspect Monty anymore, right?

It's just a theory, but I think it's a sound one. What do you think?

@fwy: You're being ridiculous. Good to have the old you around again.

Thanks,
Jazaray

Sorry about the edits: Just occurred to me that they especially would want to take the heat off of Monty (if he is mafia) if BOTH the others were under heavy suspicion. IE: Zak)
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Originally posted by Jazaray:
I've been thinking on something since last night. I'm hesitant to post it, because I'm not entirely sure it makes sense. But, I really would like everyone's opinions on this, I hope I can explain it as well as I can think it.

I'm wondering if Monty is mafia.

Before WCF went ballistic, Monty was the popular vote. Yes, WCF was going for Monty, but I'm thinking that it could have been just like when Mafia "suspect" one of their own. I know it, I've done as Mafia and as WW.

However, when they saw that the "Monty wagon" was getting really going, which they didn't think would happen (The people that first brought it up about suspecting Monty, are the people no one usually listens to, no?), they decided that having Monty around would be much more beneficial than having a n00b as one of the last remaining mafia, especially one that was under as much suspicion as WCF was. So, they planned his "sacrifice".

Now that WCF is gone.. no one really seems to suspect Monty anymore, right?

It's just a theory, but I think it's a sound one. What do you think?

@fwy: You're being ridiculous. Good to have the old you around again.

Thanks,
Jazaray

Sorry about the edits: Just occurred to me that they especially would want to take the heat off of Monty (if he is mafia) if BOTH the others were under heavy suspicion. IE: Zak)

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I've been wondering too, but for different reasons. As convenient as it sounds, I doubt very much the third mafia is someone like AGM or me (assuming Zakman is mafia). Why? Neither he nor I will survive the whole game, period. It's suicide to leave them as the last mafia.
If both are being tutored/advised, it has to be from a more quiet player who is still quite good, and the people that round off the top of that list are you and Monty.
The reason I haven't mentioned this yet is because I wanted to hold off on future speculation until zakman's identity was confirmed.

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Originally posted by Jazaray:
I've been thinking on something since last night. I'm hesitant to post it, because I'm not entirely sure it makes sense. But, I really would like everyone's opinions on this, I hope I can explain it as well as I can think it.

I'm wondering if Monty is mafia.

Before WCF went ballistic, Monty was the popular vote. Yes, WCF was going for Monty, but I'm thinking that it could have been just like when Mafia "suspect" one of their own. I know it, I've done as Mafia and as WW.

However, when they saw that the "Monty wagon" was getting really going, which they didn't think would happen (The people that first brought it up about suspecting Monty, are the people no one usually listens to, no?), they decided that having Monty around would be much more beneficial than having a n00b as one of the last remaining mafia, especially one that was under as much suspicion as WCF was. So, they planned his "sacrifice".

Now that WCF is gone.. no one really seems to suspect Monty anymore, right?

It's just a theory, but I think it's a sound one. What do you think?

@fwy: You're being ridiculous. Good to have the old you around again.

Thanks,
Jazaray

Sorry about the edits: Just occurred to me that they especially would want to take the heat off of Monty (if he is mafia) if BOTH the others were under heavy suspicion. IE: Zak)

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Originally posted by Myself:
However, looking back who did WCFmo declare he was voting for before his episode?
Monty.

I don't know about anyone else, but unless he was gonna sacrifice Monty (if he was mafia), I think it clears Monty.
Monty was gonna receive votes from Bugger and XplicitR, totaling, at that time 3.
The votes then started to pile up for WCFmo even before his "thing" (I'm running out of things to call it).

So it is highly unlikely that 2 mafia members were accumulating votes at this time. And of course as it turns out WCFmo was mafia.
Just my opinion of course.

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I posted on this a couple pages ago Jaz.

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A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
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Originally posted by OGB:
These late vote times are killing me. Midnight MOTL time is 3am my time.

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Mine too, but.. you don't have to wait until midnight to vote...

Thanks,
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A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
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Originally posted by AlmasterGM:
@Bugger & Jazaray - What is your opinion of XplicitR?

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He's doing exactly what Bernek was last round.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.

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Originally posted by Jazaray:
He's doing exactly what Bernek was last round.

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I think that's a pretty big downgrade in play metawise. XplicitR used be to be relatively rational.

The reason I ask is because I think XplicitR fits this bill:

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Originally posted by Bugger:
If both are being tutored/advised, it has to be from a more quiet player who is still quite good, and the people that round off the top of that list are you and Monty.

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Originally posted by AlmasterGM:
I think that's a pretty big downgrade in play metawise. XplicitR used be to be relatively rational.

The reason I ask is because I think XplicitR fits this bill:

Agree or disagree?

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Well, didn't we just agree that XR is playing a WORSE game? (no offense intended XR), so I would disagree that he's being coached, but agree that if anyone was being coached that Bugger, you and Monty would make great coaches.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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Many wished to have what she has,
A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.

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Originally posted by Jazaray:
@fwy: You're being ridiculous. Good to have the old you around again.

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It is so easy to say this without adding any useful information.....

• AlmasterGM - Zakman86
• Bernek77 - AlmasterGM
• Bugger - Zakman86
• fwybwed - AlmasterGM
• Jazaray - Zakman86
• MeddlingMage - Zakman86
• Montague - Zakman86
• OGB - Zakman86
• Thanos - Zakman86
• thror - Zakman86
• XplicitR - Zakman86
• Zakman86 - MeddlingMage
  

Too bad. Zak was a cit.

Mafia Leader, I need a name.