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Originally posted by Jazaray:

I'm also not quite sure that here is the place to discuss this sort of thing.. :-\ It seems rather disrespectful to Leshrac. *Shrug*

Thanks,
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Originally posted by revenger:
Ummm, Leahrac visits his own site? When the hell did this happen?

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Originally posted by Tim05:
Some small ideas, even though I'm somewhat a newer member here.

- Increase the social aspect of the boards to allow more posts. I've always disliked that there are one or two "mega threads" that are basically post everything in this thread. Lots of threads in a forum are a good thing. Increase the Off-Topic boards. I'd like to get to know people better, and it can build trust when trading with people as well.

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I'm not completely with you on this. I don't see how more posts in the GD can make you know people better? Asking stuff usually helps a lot. I feel that more and diverse posts are fine, but help 'clutter' the Forum. I'm not saying that you should post everything in the PFS, but letting everyone know you had a bagel for breakfast via a new topic is stretching it.

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- Increase the private message capacity! I hate that it only stores 50 messages. Does a private message take up that much data that it has to delete them?? Sometimes my PMs are deleted before a deal is even finalized, and it sucks, which brings me to my next point

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It used to be 20, or 30. Why would you need 50+ messages? Just delete the old ones or take it to e-mail when trading, much safer. Then you are 100% sure you are dealing with the member and not someone who hacked an account.

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- Have some way of adding current or ongoing trades to your account. For example, tt would be wonderful to be able to keep track that I agreed to trade Bob cards abc for his xyz, and the status of the trade is I have sent, and he has not yet shipped.

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This sounds a bit like MagicCardMarket. To me it's nice to have, but not necessary unless you have a zillion trades at the same time.

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- For anyone with 500+ refs on MOTL they should be given some eternal status on the new site if refs can't be transferred. Something that shows they have been a part of the community for a very long time.

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I like you , but my 600+ refs shouldn't outweigh the fact that other people (who have lesser refs) are more active on the Forums, spending more time here and showing more care than I have, thus having earned such a status much more than me. Also, I feel such things are a bit fancy. MOTL stands out to me because it's simple, overseeable. Stuff like avatars, gazillion different smilies, moveable sigs makes me want to vomit. A member is a member, and when you frequent a forum, you know who is a 'fulltimer' and who's not.

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Originally posted by coasterdude84:
Before we jump the gun on that, perhaps it would be best to get it organized however it's going to be. We should have all our ducks in a row before we hit kickstarter. We should first define:

1. a funding goal
2. Organization method - Society, single-ownership, etc.
3. board of directors
4. member responsibility
5. Site functionality, including everything that's been discussed here.
6. timeframe to accomplish
7. kickstarter rewards (people want kickbacks, even if it's something stupid)

I want this to happen sooner than later too, but we don't want to jump the gun on it either and fall flat.

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Agree. The layout must be done first before you set anything up, otherwise you could end up with less than what you had.

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Originally posted by Jazaray:
No, no, no, no. No photos, no imgs, no avatars. No crap like that. You're right, this isn't 1998, this is the age where everyone thinks it's funny to post imgs and pics and the like that are NOT appropriate for a family-themed site, which I expect this new place will be?

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The mods (on any site) have quite enough to do (for free) that they sure as hell don't need to go around policing photos and crap as well.

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There are also a LOT more things that need to be thought about. Remember, Leshrac is a lawyer, he knew how to phrase the rules and regulations of this site so as to protect himself, his staff and his site. He may not be willing or able to update the site or do anything he or his representatives have said they'd do with the site, but I can assure you, if the site were being sued or the like, he'd be right on it.

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Good call. Any lawyers out here? It'd be funny it that got him out of his hibernation though

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I'm also not quite sure that here is the place to discuss this sort of thing.. :-\ It seems rather disrespectful to Leshrac. *Shrug*

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Sorry Jaz, I'm with revenger and AGO on this one.
pros to you posting again, always glad to read from you.

That being said, I haven't seen Slinga on in a while?

I visit the site almost daily, but don't post as much. I've been here a long time and would like to see it revived, but there has been nothing from Leshrac or Nouveaux. All we hear are chirping crickets. Then you can expect for the rabble to stand up. I would follow to the new site, as there are a lot of caring members here who actually give a crap. And there's talk of giving Paragondave a senior position. OMG. You can't miss that right?

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Originally posted by Gawain:
As previously mentioned, ParagonDave has offered potentially to fully fund the new site, and would then be sole owner; he is also willing to partially fund, so long as he has a voice/vote on the "council" or what have you, as per my understanding...I am sure he can clarify if necessary.

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To clarify, if I fund a site completely, I'd own it. Much the same as Leshrac owns MOTL. My preference has always been to purchase MOTL and modernize it and make it profitable. Not profitable to me but profitable to finance updates and give aways for member drives. I also feel that requiring a one time fee or levels of paid membership could also assist in reducing some of the issues with fraud inherent to MOTL. Failing the purchasing of MOTL, creating a new site is the likely alternative. I do not possess the technical knowledge to make this happen. All that said, I have no desire to be the sole decision maker in any case. Much like MOTL, I'd prefer to have a council of members that make decisions regarding the community (mods). If I were involved in partially funding the site with the help of others, I'd simply require an extra vote, just as I'd suggest that all contributing members would have the same extra vote. There are many members who I would welcome on a council with no financial contributions, they would get a vote. I would expect them to be nominated by contributing members if it comes to that. Justice and fairness have always been my driving principal. The fact that I have next to zero tact with certain individuals doesn't mean that I have none with everybody.

Also, to the issue of identity theft, my failed attempts at sarcasm and humor would be near impossible for anyone to duplicate.

I love the discussion so far and am encouraged by it.

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Originally posted by paragondave:
To clarify, if I fund a site completely, I'd own it. Much the same as Leshrac owns MOTL. My preference has always been to purchase MOTL and modernize it and make it profitable. Not profitable to me but profitable to finance updates and give aways for member drives. I also feel that requiring a one time fee or levels of paid membership could also assist in reducing some of the issues with fraud inherent to MOTL. Failing the purchasing of MOTL, creating a new site is the likely alternative. I do not possess the technical knowledge to make this happen. All that said, I have no desire to be the sole decision maker in any case. Much like MOTL, I'd prefer to have a council of members that make decisions regarding the community (mods). If I were involved in partially funding the site with the help of others, I'd simply require an extra vote, just as I'd suggest that all contributing members would have the same extra vote. There are many members who I would welcome on a council with no financial contributions, they would get a vote. I would expect them to be nominated by contributing members if it comes to that. Justice and fairness have always been my driving principal. The fact that I have next to zero tact with certain individuals doesn't mean that I have none with everybody.

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Also, to the issue of identity theft, my failed attempts at sarcasm and humor would be near impossible for anyone to duplicate.

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I do not consider what we're doing here disrespectful to Leshrac. If I felt there were any alternative, then maybe, but very clearly there is not. Since the community "lives" here, and this is where people check the forums and such, this is where we need to communicate about the transfer.

Having never done a kickstarter before, I noticed all those fields when I was filling some of the stuff out and realized I was jumping the gun a bit, so I tend to agree too. Somebody who has done one before or anyone with ideas, what about a name for the new site and some kickbacks for donations? We could fuse the kickstarter with a Stack-type thing, and cards that people donate could be the kickback; we could send them all in signed toploaders with custom art if people are feeling froggy, I think that would be sweet.

My notion was to get the funding in place so the coders would be motivated to get started, but yeah, more ducks to line up first. Speaking of the coders, I would be encouraged to hear something from any of those I've spoken with thus far, just to get an idea of where you all stand. Still on board? Been keeping up? Got an idea of what this will cost? We want to pay you for your work, and offer appreciation for your time and consideration as well.

I respect your thoughts and opinions on the matter, most certainly, I just don't agree with them.

That being said, I will not close down this thread, unless asked to by Leshrac himself or Nouv. However, I will not be posting on it again.

I am MORE than willing to discuss the future of a new site with anyone off of MOTL, perhaps a FB group can be made. Anyone is free to add/msg me on FB as well, www.facebook.com/jazaray Please make sure you inform me you are from MOTL when you friend request me though

Love you guys!

Thanks,
Jazaray

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Originally posted by HandicapParking:
You guys should probably start running this like a virtual office. Start meeting on voice/video via free web conferencing (gotomeeting, join.me) and share planning documents/mockups via google drive. This project needs a manager and ideally the main people should be in the same time zone. This needs to be broken down into smaller tasks and manageable short-term deliverables. There's a lot of work you can do before you spend any real money and during this discovery process you'll get a feel for whether you can work together.

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I tend to agree. So, I'd say anyone involved in that conversation is going to have a voice in the decisions which will ultimately shape the new site; I'll host a chat some night this upcoming week, but first I need to know who wants in? Post here or shoot me a PM with your contact info if so and I'll see it up. I'd still like this thread to remain open for awhile however as a means of updating people and gathering ideas, I've gotten plenty of inspiration here already.

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Originally posted by Jazaray:
I do understand that everyone is disappointed/angry/whatever with Leshrac. Believe me, I totally understand it. He's let this site down, this community down. However, I do disagree that discussing building a new site, to pretty much replace the one he owns, on his own site isn't in some way disrespectful to him. As much as when Puca came to MOTL, posting and emailing our members to join their new site.

I respect your thoughts and opinions on the matter, most certainly, I just don't agree with them.

That being said, I will not close down this thread, unless asked to by Leshrac himself or Nouv. However, I will not be posting on it again.

I am MORE than willing to discuss the future of a new site with anyone off of MOTL, perhaps a FB group can be made. Anyone is free to add/msg me on FB as well, www.facebook.com/jazaray Please make sure you inform me you are from MOTL when you friend request me though

Love you guys!

Thanks,
Jazaray

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Fair enough Jaz, we can agree to disagree! Thanks for leaving it open I know you know me well enough to know there is no malicious or selfish intent on my part here. Regardless and as mentioned above, we'll likely take the main convo elsewhere.

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I'd be willing to split the costs with
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Since MOTL has basically gone dormant recently, I've replaced my involvement in the discussion and deck threads with mtgsalvation, my trading mostly with pucatrade, buying on TCG or ebay, and still sell here when I need to.

In order to attract members like me to the new site (if you are interested in bringing anyone other than the regular discussion board posters ATM), I think you must migrate the refs and not just for 500+. The only reason I sell here is that I can avoid fees, simul send with people I trust, and require people with low refs to send first. If I have to rebuild my references from the ground up, I likely won't trade on the new site (just as I currently don't on salvation, where I have no refs and would thusly have to send first again).

I think you absolutely need someway to grandfather in old ref counts, even at tiers as low as 50, 100, and 200 counts. Perhaps even just acquiring a status from MOTL (wizard: 50 MOTL refs, grand wizard: 100 MOTL refs, Etc. could appear below your username above your 'current' ref count) and a clearly stated a reference tier obtained while on that site. You'd obviously have to verify identities and such, but without it many members will just continue using other existing sites (specifically pucatrade, which has a steadily growing secondary market to sell pucapoints for cash, mostly through reddit).

Just my $0.02- take it for what it's worth (probably not a lot).

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Originally posted by spike777:
While I don't post on the discussion boards so much, I used to be pretty active trading and buying/selling. I've done much less over the last couple years ago than I did in high school, but I can at least speak from the perspective of someone with my level of website interaction.

Since MOTL has basically gone dormant recently, I've replaced my involvement in the discussion and deck threads with mtgsalvation, my trading mostly with pucatrade, buying on TCG or ebay, and still sell here when I need to.

In order to attract members like me to the new site (if you are interested in bringing anyone other than the regular discussion board posters ATM), I think you must migrate the refs and not just for 500+. The only reason I sell here is that I can avoid fees, simul send with people I trust, and require people with low refs to send first. If I have to rebuild my references from the ground up, I likely won't trade on the new site (just as I currently don't on salvation, where I have no refs and would thusly have to send first again).

I think you absolutely need someway to grandfather in old ref counts, even at tiers as low as 50, 100, and 200 counts. Perhaps even just acquiring a status from MOTL (wizard: 50 MOTL refs, grand wizard: 100 MOTL refs, Etc. could appear below your username above your 'current' ref count) and a clearly stated a reference tier obtained while on that site. You'd obviously have to verify identities and such, but without it many members will just continue using other existing sites (specifically pucatrade, which has a steadily growing secondary market to sell pucapoints for cash, mostly through reddit).

Just my $0.02- take it for what it's worth (probably not a lot).

I hope this actually gets going- this was a super cool site back in the day for trading. Please post a link somewhere if it gets up and running (or otherwise spread the word).

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I spent a lot of my time on here trading and being a member of the community, and it feels like we were given up on.

If we can bring back the sense of community that I remember, I am 99% sure I would come around more.

If there is any way I can help out, ex. testing, coding, debugging or something, let me know. My main career has been in software development, with a focus on desktop apps. I am good friends with harbingerofthevoid in real life, so giving him a hand with testing or coding would be a great use of some of my free time.

Thanks,

--Evil

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Well, at least we're getting traffic

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http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/026488.html

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Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
Most active thread this month is about replacing MOTL...

Well, at least we're getting traffic

Edit: Remember when I created this?
http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/026488.html

Could post there if a mod decides this needs to be shut down. That being said I think it's fine to keep posting here. The admins/owner can't get upset of they are completely MIA

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Originally posted by Gawain:
If this actually got Leshrac's attention, it would be worth whatever the consequences might be, because then at least he could be asked about selling the site! Or, something! This here is whatcha call a last resort, and given I have read comments from 2013 asking "where's Leshy?" and "why he no care no more?" I'd say it's about last resort time :P

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