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hilikuS Member	posted August 13, 2015 08:02 AM quote: Originally posted by LandDestroyer: lesh doesn't even remember he owns motl much less cares. meh I don't think that matters. I think his plan is to just do what he's been doing, and keep this thing making whatever money it does make. If MOTL II comes out, and is as successful as we are all hoping, it essentially pulls the plug on his. We all know the ship is taking on water, but he may not. It's obvious to all of us that they don't give a ****. They might when the web traffic drops off by like 50%.
LandDestroyer Member	posted August 13, 2015 08:21 AM quote: Originally posted by hilikuS: I don't think that matters. I think his plan is to just do what he's been doing, and keep this thing making whatever money it does make. If MOTL II comes out, and is as successful as we are all hoping, it essentially pulls the plug on his. We all know the ship is taking on water, but he may not. It's obvious to all of us that they don't give a ****. They might when the web traffic drops off by like 50%. i'm pretty sure traffic dropped by more than 50% a long time ago and they didn't notice we could actually probably mine that data through sites like http://www.freewebsitereport.org/www.magictraders.com http://magictraders.com.statstool.com/ the site appears to only generate just under $10 ($2-$10 depending on which site is to be believed) a day in ad revenue these days with less than 200 unique users currently active (probably much less than indicated with some of us accessing from multiple devices) [Edited 4 times, lastly by LandDestroyer on August 13, 2015]
hilikuS Member	posted August 13, 2015 08:24 AM Gradually though, not like cliff jumping.
LandDestroyer Member	posted August 13, 2015 08:26 AM quote: Originally posted by hilikuS: Gradually though, not like cliff jumping. heh. I really don't anything he would notice. I don't think him or the admins check.
helpmehelpyou Member	posted August 14, 2015 10:54 AM I vote for no ref transfers. i could just submit a bunch of fakes or emails from other ppls lists.. whos going to take the time to verify i actually traded with those people? id rather the new site not have any old ties to motl at all.. not even urls. Usernames. Etc. new site. New start. Besides new members might be a little put off showing up on day one and a bunch of ppl already have 100+ refs. Besides pucas system works great. 2 brand new members have the exact same experience trading as two gold members who have used puca since day one. motls system always made one side lopsided another problem with motl. If i wanted a $4 card and someone wanted a $4.50 card from me.. id either have to let that $0.50 go or find a "throw in" that i probably didnt even waNt.. this happened ALOT on motl trades.. all those 25 and 50 cents add up.. all the times ive let extra few cents slip away on motl i vould have saved up for a few cards or 1 decent card. (another pro for point based trading) [Edited 2 times, lastly by helpmehelpyou on August 14, 2015]
slurpee Member	posted August 14, 2015 11:28 AM Things I would like in a new website: Tradematcher/cardfinder a link to shipping websites(usps) I grow tired of arguing with people about what usps charges as I can't help that. (XX cards is XX ounces and XX ounces ships for XX dollars first class like ebay) A verification of ones identity, phone numb that sends a text conf code perhaps. (name address, and paypal account if you want to sell) There really aren't that many outside usa sellers. A format that is compatible with excel How about where if you say you are going to put a list of cards it displays what tcg mid/low/high is showing for the card so people can see if they are about to trade something that has spiked or has dropped. I don't enjoy updating my list, but I would like something that gives me notifications. I would like a spot for stores buylists. Stores would come here more as well if the formatting was one that they could simply cut and paste and it would make sense in the format. I also would like these seperated, a sell posting and a buy posting. For a Fee some form of mtg.gg where you could put a compatible list of cards you have and it would spit out buy lists as well as tcg lows/mids. For a fee, instant based transactions. One where you go to someones list pick some sort of price guide/ a stores or what not from a drop down box. Then you select the card that you want from that trader and it then populates the list of cards they are looking for and the values from that price guide they selected. You then can put in your cards that they wanted, perhaps submit a variance or more and the trade completes automatically, it sends the user the address to mail to automatically. The reason for the fee is that if people are no longer active you won't get stuck your cards going nowhere. For a fee: Instant based sales, one where you can buy right there off of the list, the list is updated after the sale, estimates shipping based off of the number of cards and the shipping methods. I can remember when .50 didn't mean anything now people seem to fret when they don't get exactly what equals. Some day those people will realize that it is harder to come up with vintage/oop/or misc out of the way cards then a standard card. I refuse to trade with people who want to be within any type of medium of 1.00 or less either way. If you look at the buy prices of the same cards they won't equal. Not to further rant, but those that trade 10 standard cards to 1 legacy card are getiing so much more for there 10 cards using what SCG sell prices...so see where I am going with this point based trading is always one sided as people will usually over value theres and undervalues yours. Websites that use point based trading are making serious money. Points go unredeemed all the time, they can then charge whatever points they want for higher valued items even if you were to monatize it you would be better to just buy it from a store. The website goes under you lose all of your points... Plus there is no guarantee that the cards you can redeem them for not a bunch of smaller cards and the better cards are either never restocked or the points it takes is out of sequence with others...To further beat this horse you are usually better off just selling your cards to a stores buylist then this trading of points. I mail in get XX points, I spent 2.00 to mail, Then those points like puca seem to be worth 80%?? Why would I do this? Ebay, tcg don't charge 20% of value. I guess if you don't mind spending a little here and there and don't track your money it is a reason why and how you can get other card you need. [Edited 1 times, lastly by slurpee on August 14, 2015]
chaos021 Member	posted August 14, 2015 11:47 AM quote: Originally posted by helpmehelpyou: another problem with motl. If i wanted a $4 card and someone wanted a $4.50 card from me.. id either have to let that $0.50 go or find a "throw in" that i probably didnt even waNt.. this happened ALOT on motl trades.. all those 25 and 50 cents add up.. all the times ive let extra few cents slip away on motl i vould have saved up for a few cards or 1 decent card. (another pro for point based trading) You're part of the reason I hate trading online now. __________________ "Message to women worldwide: Girls....we're stupid. We don't like games. We don't know games. We can't read minds. Say it like you mean or STFU." -rockondon Sale Thread
LandDestroyer Member	posted August 14, 2015 12:11 PM quote: Originally posted by helpmehelpyou: I vote for no ref transfers. i could just submit a bunch of fakes or emails from other ppls lists.. whos going to take the time to verify i actually traded with those people? id rather the new site not have any old ties to motl at all.. not even urls. Usernames. Etc. new site. New start. Besides new members might be a little put off showing up on day one and a bunch of ppl already have 100+ refs. Besides pucas system works great. 2 brand new members have the exact same experience trading as two gold members who have used puca since day one. motls system always made one side lopsided another problem with motl. If i wanted a $4 card and someone wanted a $4.50 card from me.. id either have to let that $0.50 go or find a "throw in" that i probably didnt even waNt.. this happened ALOT on motl trades.. all those 25 and 50 cents add up.. all the times ive let extra few cents slip away on motl i vould have saved up for a few cards or 1 decent card. (another pro for point based trading) I can tell you this much, if a new site is started that doesn't transfer refs from MOTL I will not come along. It has already been a pain enough to establish myself on the high end and other new groups etc. I have no incentive to go through all that again. So if that's what ends up happening have fun on the new site. I won't be around :-\
Volcanon Member	posted August 14, 2015 12:30 PM quote: Originally posted by helpmehelpyou: another problem with motl. If i wanted a $4 card and someone wanted a $4.50 card from me.. id either have to let that $0.50 go or find a "throw in" that i probably didnt even waNt.. this happened ALOT on motl trades.. all those 25 and 50 cents add up.. all the times ive let extra few cents slip away on motl i vould have saved up for a few cards or 1 decent card. (another pro for point based trading) You're part of the reason I hate trading anywhere now. "Value traders" are much easier to tell to buzz off. People who cause a stink over gaining or losing a couple quarters are much more frustrating to deal with. If you insist on exactly matching card values, then simply refuse the trade.
paragondave Member	posted August 14, 2015 01:00 PM As with MOTL, no one will hold a gun to your head and force you to join a new website. If you don't like it, it's not the site for you. I don't see a problem.
Liq Member	posted August 14, 2015 02:06 PM Definitely interested in supporting this idea. Without or without refs. But no images (or only by mod approval). A clean site is preferred. Can I get a concise post about what is definite, what is possible and what is speculative?
mini1337s Member	posted August 14, 2015 04:34 PM Refs shouldn't carry for the site, BUT you should be given the option to show previous MOTL refs (would need some sort of verification system) through skme sort of "Feedback from other trading sites" tab. Honestly, any site, whether Puca or Sally should show but not count to your MOTL 2.0 refs. Just gives you a better idea of who you are trading with. If refs carry, only the past 3 years should be relevant. 1k refs doesn't mean much to me when 5 are from the last 3 years.
AGO Member	posted August 14, 2015 07:39 PM If refs don't transfer you can count me out. I just don't have the patience to mess with sending first anymore. It was a hard grind to 300 that I will not be doing again.
revenger Member	posted August 15, 2015 11:22 AM quote: Originally posted by AGO: If refs don't transfer you can count me out. I just don't have the patience to mess with sending first anymore. It was a hard grind to 300 that I will not be doing again. This. __________________ 30th in refs on Motl! #1 Ref's for Arizona! I offer 3rd party trading services. Email if interested. Your 2008, 2010 & 2012 Siskel & Ebert award winner! Your Motl runner-up in My Cousin Vinny & Rolling Stone Award!
Shiny_dude Member	posted August 15, 2015 11:49 AM quote: Originally posted by AGO: If refs don't transfer you can count me out. I just don't have the patience to mess with sending first anymore. It was a hard grind to 300 that I will not be doing again. Same.
stab107 Member	posted August 15, 2015 12:15 PM If the refs don't transfer then it is simply a new site and not really MOTL related. I am also with the previous three posters, not in if refs do not transfer.
slurpee Member	posted August 15, 2015 12:18 PM It would be another website, one that perhaps is started by a member here. Do your refs transfer to puca, ebay, mtgsalvation, facebook, and on, no they don't. People say they have XX feedback whenever. Consider this like a brand new venture, one where you could join from the very start and be one of those that grows it. It would take a ton of work to transfer refs, work I just don't feel is necessary.
angryshrub Member	posted August 15, 2015 01:29 PM quote: Originally posted by slurpee: It would be another website, one that perhaps is started by a member here. Do your refs transfer to puca, ebay, mtgsalvation, facebook, and on, no they don't. People say they have XX feedback whenever. Consider this like a brand new venture, one where you could join from the very start and be one of those that grows it. It would take a ton of work to transfer refs, work I just don't feel is necessary. I don't disagree with what you are saying, but since this is a life-support operation, losing a chunk of the audience you're trying to save seems counterproductive. I don't even have 200 refs and it would still be a ton of work to grind a respectable number. If refs don't transfer, I'll be sticking to ****ty FB and maybe lurking on the new motl. At best.
daner Member	posted August 15, 2015 02:58 PM quote: Originally posted by AEther Storm: I don't think that will happen daner, because if it would, other people would feel the same like you. I believe "those people" (not that anybody doesn't know who we're talking about ) respect everybody's input and opinions even if they disagree. I for one would be very happy to see you on the new site Why thank you, buddy. I really hope one day to get a vacation to your neck of the woods...if that ever happens I'd love to meet you and trust me.....i got a LOT more ex-GF stories that could make you laugh. But I'm still dis-interested at moving to another site...my online trading will go down with this ship. quote: Originally posted by slurpee: It would be another website, one that perhaps is started by a member here. Do your refs transfer to puca, ebay, mtgsalvation, facebook, and on, no they don't. People say they have XX feedback whenever. Consider this like a brand new venture, one where you could join from the very start and be one of those that grows it. It would take a ton of work to transfer refs, work I just don't feel is necessary. Not all of these people have awesome sales lists like you to get a quick bunch of refs man OK, so here is just a suggestion...some of you want refs to transfer, some of you say it should be "all new" and have nothing to do with MOTL. Here is a compromise...why not have people with say...50+ MOTL refs get some sort of Icon, or indicator when you guys launch the new site that signals these people are responsible trade partners and get something for all the hard work they put in grinding the refs here? It wouldn't be that much work at all if like...you put gold trim around their avatar name or something. Or perhaps a star.... Either way, I know my opinion on the matter means very little as I stated I wont be joining you guys...but I like a lot of you and if you need help or suggestions I'll gladly give them. I personally think that both sides of that argument are correct...the ref transfer is wayyyy too much effort, but then again you don't want to simply shun off good, respectable traders/members to this new site. i think something like I suggested could solve both problems. Whatever, just a thought, gl to you guys!
Valmtg Member	posted August 15, 2015 04:42 PM quote: Originally posted by LandDestroyer: It's about time we started our own MOTL...with black jack...and hookers. But seriously to do this we'd have to get someone like harbingerofthevoid on board to help figure out how to do things technically in a way that makes sense...with something more up-to-date and secure than MOTL (come on it stores our passwords in plain text). I'd hope MOTL just sticks around but with the admins ignoring things and us not even know if MOTL turns into a pumpkin (site not getting renewed) there isn't long to do this. is everyone here also on the facebook group? https://www.facebook.com/groups/7111992674/ I also created a reddit sub but nobody really goes there yet https://www.reddit.com/r/MOTL/ i just want to make sure that if MOTL does disappear we have a way to verify who each of us are from motl and know where we can continue to discuss. Ooo! Signed up for the Facebook one, subscribed and posted a thread in reddit. __________________ ☆GøÐÐë§§☆ "The tin man says I'm doing fine" Silver Jewelry I'm a pluviophile.
mini1337s Member	posted August 15, 2015 08:04 PM To help with Strickland and hackers taking over old accounts, couldn't you have a "fresh" rating? Basically, a small icon or note that shows how many trades have been done in the past 3 months to a year?
chaos021 Member	posted August 15, 2015 09:31 PM quote: Originally posted by mini1337s: To help with Strickland and hackers taking over old accounts, couldn't you have a "fresh" rating? Basically, a small icon or note that shows how many trades have been done in the past 3 months to a year? To this effect, I still think being able to sort refs by date, amount, name or email would be great. Someone else suggested this a long time ago. __________________ "Message to women worldwide: Girls....we're stupid. We don't like games. We don't know games. We can't read minds. Say it like you mean or STFU." -rockondon Sale Thread
evilempire22 Member	posted August 15, 2015 09:33 PM quote: Originally posted by AGO: If refs don't transfer you can count me out. I just don't have the patience to mess with sending first anymore. It was a hard grind to 300 that I will not be doing again. I would also have to agree with this. --Evil __________________ I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds. Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see.
revenger Member	posted August 16, 2015 11:58 AM quote: Originally posted by AGO: If refs don't transfer you can count me out. I just don't have the patience to mess with sending first anymore. It was a hard grind to 300 that I will not be doing again. We are starting to see the majority of motlers say this. Thus, if and when the new site takes off, it'll be without the veterans of the site yall are trying to duplicate. - Revenger __________________ 30th in refs on Motl! #1 Ref's for Arizona! I offer 3rd party trading services. Email if interested. Your 2008, 2010 & 2012 Siskel & Ebert award winner! Your Motl runner-up in My Cousin Vinny & Rolling Stone Award!
rockondon Member	posted August 16, 2015 12:46 PM All the vets could start by giving each other refs on the new site. Is that slightly dishonest? yes. Do I care? no. __________________ \| ~~ The STFU ~~ _l""\|"\__, \|~~~ TRUCK ~~~ _l'_\|'_\|_\|) \|(@)(@)""\|(@)(@)"\|(@)

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