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Originally posted by pugowar:
I think Gawain had volunteered to project lead. I agree we need to have some structure in place at some point or we may never leave the "good idea" stage.

Maybe everyone who truly wants to be part could reply with simply your skills / availability and someone could build a facebook group etc to actively discuss these things.

It would be really great to see this gain traction and start moving towards the new site!

Tim

PS I also would hate to lose my refs but I don't play much these days so this site new site is really more important to me than the trading refs.

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Good to know. I suggest that we start a new topic with ONLY those who are willing to help, and with what. No chitchat in that post, as this one has become a little like the PFS.

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Originally posted by spike777:
I don't think this has been mentioned yet:

The only time I've ever been ripped off was when I was new and traded with other new members. I've never been ripped off by sending first to an established member. The problem with starting over again on a brand new site is that there are no established members. Everyone has zero refs, including the people I can trust and the people I can't. What that would mean is, if refs aren't transfered, I wouldn't trade at all in the first 6 months or so until the people I can trust become more obvious (high ref members). That's the biggest problem I see as a deterrent for new people to join, especially those with established histories.

I think a 'formerly XXXXX on MOTL' under their name would go a long way to speeding that process up and wouldn't require red transfer, only identity verification.

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See my post. If you become a 3rd party trading site you would circumvein this. Unless both parties agree to not use the site's system, in which claims to the sites rules are waived and it merely acts as a facilitator

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Originally posted by Truman:
Is there anything I can do to help facilitate this? I want a site where I can be proactive with trades, not just sit and hope someone decides to send me something. I have little to no coding/database experience, but if there's anything else that could be done to help please let me know.

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Heh, well at this point I see 2 things you can do. 1 now, 1 in the future.

Now: Promote MOTL. Whether on other sites like reddit, mtgsalvation, facebook groups and other magic sites or whatever. if you trade with someone mention motl to them

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Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
Heh, well at this point I see 2 things you can do. 1 now, 1 in the future.

Now: Promote MOTL. Whether on other sites like reddit, mtgsalvation, facebook groups and other magic sites or whatever. if you trade with someone mention motl to them

Later: Promote any new site the same way

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I see what you're saying, but to be honest I haven't in good conscience been able to recommend this site for at least a year or so. The trade matching is non-existent for standard and it was obvious some time ago that MOTL was like a ship whose crew is locked out of the engine room.

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Originally posted by Truman:
As was said before, on a new site everyone who's a member here could just add people they've traded with before as a ref and that way you're ahead of someone coming in new. As long as you get 25 or more refs, I can't see there being a problem of having to send first and wait until the cards are delivered. If you're losing refs from years ago from people who no longer use this site, are you really losing anything? I know before I trade with someone I check their refs and pretty much ignore anything more than a year old anyway, so losing a ref from 2007 ultimately isn't that big of a deal, at least not in my eyes.

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Says the guy that's got 25 refs. I can see some of them not mattering much on here anymore - at least 1/2 of mine are from 12-14 years ago and 1/4 of those are now banned members. But those refs were earned by sending first primarily back then and have earned my rep. To start over from scratch wouldn't be really worth my effort unless the trade was something I had to have and am trading bulkish items for. Which in this day and age doesn't really happen anymore.

Would you just say f it? I'm not starting over again.

The way I see thing is like this, if this site were to just die you'd only have a few options.
Stop online trading altogether (lets be honest with ourselves, we can say we're gonna do that but the intrigue will bring most of us back in some way or another)

Continue trading on whatever other sites were apart of.

Join a new site and start over.

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Originally posted by ronandaggy:
Now let's say you're at that job and the company went bankrupt, or you're laid off?

Would you just say f it? I'm not starting over again.

The way I see thing is like this, if this site were to just die you'd only have a few options.
Stop online trading altogether (lets be honest with ourselves, we can say we're gonna do that but the intrigue will bring most of us back in some way or another)

Continue trading on whatever other sites were apart of.

Join a new site and start over.

Yes it would suck but its life, as long as we're careful and trade with a sites established members it not that risky. We ask new members to do it everyday here. T

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Originally posted by flam flawless:
Says the guy that's got 25 refs.

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That right there speaks volumes about what this place has turned into.

I'm going to be completely honest, if 40 or 50 people lose their MOTL karma and don't move to a new site and 1000 new users start up, I'll make that trade a billion times out of a billion. I want to trade cards with people, not try to get the biggest intrinsically worthless number beside my name.

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Originally posted by flam flawless:
he number next to my name might be insignificant to you, but I worked to ensure my number reflected that I was a honest trader and that lesser refs wouldn't have to worry about anything.

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I agree with this. BUT, when doing the 3rd party system, old references become redundant. There will be no more ripping which benefits everyone, no more sending first issues, etc.

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Being I don't trade nearly as much as I did in the past, to do all of that over again would suck and deter me from wanting to trade online for quite a while if at all.

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Same here, and I understand. If you refrain from using the 3rd party system, you can always back up your refs. That way, you can show that you were on MOTL 1 and had X refs before the transfer to MOTL 2, providing your e-mailaddress hasn't changed. Fair enough, that way is open to fraud, but it is something you could post on your list/profile on MOTL 2. Perhaps that can be verified in some way to prove that you are indeed the ref-holder.

I've given my 0.02. I'll be happy to help in any way I can (see previous post). Let me know when everyone starts getting serious about it. Until then I'll browse the boards as usual.

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Originally posted by flam flawless:
Reading all of the ideas for the new site seem good and all, but without any ref transfer or some sort of distinction from newer members, I doubt I'd be interested in starting from scratch again 15 years later. Even when my refs sat for a decade when I sold off, when I picked up the game again, it was nice to be able to come back to MOTL and not have to start all over. Its also why I don't belong to any other site. No interest in sending first and waiting extra time for cards I can just buy off TCGplayer or eBay.
I don't use this site like I did 10+ years ago, but do like combing thru the forums for maybe that one card someone isn't using and wants a couple I'm not using. If this site does die off, I'm sure I'll pop over to another site. Eventually. But with magic being more of a hobby than a job, I'll rarely use it.

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What good are those refs when no one is trading here though? Just the same as my eBay feedback when I'm finally fed up with eBay's crap: Worthless. Useless. Bereft of any value. It will like the episode of Scooby Doo where they found the chest full of Confederate money.

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Originally posted by Child of Gaea:
Any new member here can not make new refs from what I see. The last three trades I have done, the other people have filled out the ref check and it doesn't work. There will be no new members once they realize they will be sending first forever here...

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http://refs.magictraders.com/DrDallon.html

I have a ref from one month ago. I think it is still working. There may be a chance they didn't confirm it.

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Originally posted by DrDallon:

http://refs.magictraders.com/DrDallon.html

I have a ref from one month ago. I think it is still working. There may be a chance they didn't confirm it.

I can't wait to see MOTl2

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http://mtgpeertrader.com/

Takes a bit to get setup in but I'm sure it can be done. I couldn't use it myself because my collection, when I had it, was and is mostly JP foil things and their auto-collection-uploader application didn't accept stuff like that.

So basically, someone here with more website building smarts than me should contact the owner of PeerTrade and say, "Hey, you, I'll work with you to make your uploader / collection tracker work better, then everyone can use your site!" Or, far more likely, make the guy an offer to buy his site, and THEN fix it since he gave up due to time commitments and (just as likely) lack of use.

I'll be honest-- I only came back because I need to step away from the game (again) and have a few high end cards to sell. Best of luck on a new site or reviving this one! Sorry I can't be much help.

I come here often and just read alot of what people have to say and such and would be sad to see it all disappear.

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Originally posted by rockondon:
I'm no good at programming or coding but I am good at making sarcastic comments. So if the new site needs some of those, let me know.

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Originally posted by Radivel:
A MOTL replacement already exists. In fact, I seem to recall from back when I tried to use it that it was made to replace the aging/slowly crapifying MOTL.

http://mtgpeertrader.com/

Takes a bit to get setup in but I'm sure it can be done. I couldn't use it myself because my collection, when I had it, was and is mostly JP foil things and their auto-collection-uploader application didn't accept stuff like that.

So basically, someone here with more website building smarts than me should contact the owner of PeerTrade and say, "Hey, you, I'll work with you to make your uploader / collection tracker work better, then everyone can use your site!" Or, far more likely, make the guy an offer to buy his site, and THEN fix it since he gave up due to time commitments and (just as likely) lack of use.

I mean, it's an option. Why start from the ground up when what you're trying to build almost sort of already exists?

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For those interested in the site capabilities, check this out: http://mtgpeertrader.com/utility/faq

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