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Originally posted by InResponseForceOfWill:
155/155 out. I'm disappointed... I only really play Legacy, and I'm not seeing much. What do you think could see play in Legacy?

Green Sun's Zenith, maybe? What cards would it fetch?

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GSZ is really, really good in Legacy. On T1, it fetches Dryad Arbor, effectively allowing you to run acceleration in addition to BOP or Noble Hierarch without sacrificing too many slots in your deck. This makes decks using the Natural Order combo much more consistent--in fact, GSZ makes the Natural Order combo desirable for a number of decks that otherwise wouldn't have used it (such as GW aggro, and perhaps some sort of evolution of Zoo). In fact, fetching Dryad Arbor on T1 (and recycling itself) alone makes it a very powerful card in Legacy.

GSZ fetches Tarmogoyf. It fetches Qasali Pridemage and Gaddock Teeg. It fetches Eternal Witness, Knight of the Reliquary, Kitchen Finks, and pretty much anything else you want. On a raw power level, it's very much like Survival of the Fittest, Mystical Tutor, or even Intuition.

I don't think the card will be completely abused for a little while yet (remember that it took a couple years for everyone to realize how amazing KOTR is), but I have no doubt that it will have a profound impact on the format. Out of all the cards in the set, it's easily the most important for Legacy.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
The card has too many issues for legacy. It costs 1 more mana, which is huge. It also is a creature. A lot of decks can answer a creature more easily then a random artifact. This guy lets your opponent be versatile in their removal and still hit it.

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I agree that it's inferior to Pithing Needle, on the whole. But I'm positive a large number of people will be running it just for the chance to hit LED and company--in fact, they'll probably be running it MD (in Stax or Affinity). At least for a while. Ultimately, I too think it'll be relegated to the backburner. But I've pre-ordered a playset and plan to unload them all the same.

As for Phyrexia... I've always been on its side. Phyrexians are pretty damned awesome. I mean, they're the Borg of MTG.

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Originally posted by gcowhsu:
Legacy infect
Nothing kills the Phyrexian Crusader in Legacy except maybe gatekeeper of malikir, Jitte, Sofi, and the occasional smother. He races faster than goyf and the first strike + infect give him a chance against him.

Phyrexian Crusader 4
Plague Stinger 4
Dark Confidant 4
Noble Hierarch 4

Berserk 4
Rancor 4
Invigorate 4

Worldy Tutor 4

Thoughtseize 4
Duress 4


Bayou 4
Verdant Catacombs 4
Forest 4
Swamp 4
Inkmoth Nexus 4

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Originally posted by OGB:
Do we know why Tezzeret is the only non-aligned card in MBS (besides the basic land, sadly)? Is it so that the faction packs don't have an uneven number of cards between then, or is there a storyline-type reason?

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If you look at Scars of Mirrodin, Koth, elspeth, and venser are also unaligned. Its because he's a planeswalker, but also because he isnt working for Mirrodin or phyrexia, but a 3rd party (Bolas).

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Originally posted by thror:
If you look at Scars of Mirrodin, Koth, elspeth, and venser are also unaligned. Its because he's a planeswalker, but also because he isnt working for Mirrodin or phyrexia, but a 3rd party (Bolas).

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Originally posted by OGB:
Do we know why Tezzeret is the only non-aligned card in MBS (besides the basic land, sadly)? Is it so that the faction packs don't have an uneven number of cards between then, or is there a storyline-type reason?

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Originally posted by shaselai:
i think it is probably to balance the faction more than anything. Koth is a native to Mirran so if anyone he should be Mirran side. Elspeth is a 3rd party though but she is certainly working against Phyrexia so she could be considered on Mirran side as well.

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No, really. Look @ the cards. None of those walkers HAVE a watermark.

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Nothing to do with watermarks complicating the boxes; they could eaisly make it happen if they wanted to. Other cards have words over watermarks.

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Originally posted by revenger:
Sword of Feast & Famine is Coercion + Natural Affinity. Seriously wotc (we on the crack). seriously?? I don't know...just I think they could have done a better black/green sword.

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It's really just Pro black and three useless abilities. Ok, Pro green is kind of relevant.

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Originally posted by Sovarius:
No /hate/ SoFF is just lacking in power compared to the others, especially the original mirrodin ones.

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I disagree. I'd rather discard a card than gain 3 life, or make a 2/2 (and in some cases deal 2 damage). If you have a dude down already with 5 mana, and you can hit with it, you basically play and equip it for free.

Turns any dude into a specter, and doubles your mana. I'm not seeing why this is underpowered in comparison.

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Originally posted by hilikuS:
I disagree. I'd rather discard a card than gain 3 life, or make a 2/2 (and in some cases deal 2 damage). If you have a dude down already with 5 mana, and you can hit with it, you basically play and equip it for free.

Turns any dude into a specter, and doubles your mana. I'm not seeing why this is underpowered in comparison.

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Discard is good early game, but by the time Sword gets online, it is going to be too late. They will either not have any cards (aggro) or they will have an answer (control). There is a reason Hippy isn't played. Turn 4 discard is not good. Ritual Hippy on turn 1 was what made it playable. Also, it doesn't make any guy into a Hippy. Hippy gets a card at random. With the Sword, they choose.

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Originally posted by hilikuS:
I disagree. I'd rather discard a card than gain 3 life, or make a 2/2 (and in some cases deal 2 damage). If you have a dude down already with 5 mana, and you can hit with it, you basically play and equip it for free.

Turns any dude into a specter, and doubles your mana. I'm not seeing why this is underpowered in comparison.

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I would run Sword of Vengeance over that.

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Originally posted by hilikuS:
I disagree. I'd rather discard a card than gain 3 life, or make a 2/2 (and in some cases deal 2 damage). If you have a dude down already with 5 mana, and you can hit with it, you basically play and equip it for free.

Turns any dude into a specter, and doubles your mana. I'm not seeing why this is underpowered in comparison.

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Originally posted by hilikuS:
Why do I need to run black? The sword is colorless.

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He's obviously very confused with basic reading.

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Originally posted by shaselai:
maybe that players' lands dont untap next turn or he skips draw phase.

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That would be stupid.

i think given time, this sword will see some decent play in type two at least.

anyway what im more concerned with is what everyone is thinking or hoping to pull in their prereleases tomorrow night for their sealed decks. all i want is 4 go for the throat and either the green or black zeniths.

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Originally posted by saintjust21:

anyway what im more concerned with is what everyone is thinking or hoping to pull in their prereleases tomorrow night for their sealed decks. all i want is 4 go for the throat and either the green or black zeniths.

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