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My take on the set. Gonna concentrate on C/U for limited (as most rares in limited are decent from what I've seen in the spoiler) (AKA all the Zenith's, etc.) and because I don't know much about current Standard.

Overall
I think a well formulated deck centered on Battle Cry (W/r) might be a really good deck to take on Infect in limited.

Limited
Cards that I like:
White
Choking Fumes (great against infect)
Divine Offering (obv)
Frantic Salvage (seems way toooo good)
Leonin-Relic Warder (looks good for Constructed too)
Phyrexian Rebirth
Blue
Corrupted Conscience (HOUSE!)
Fuel for the Cause (dunno why, but I like it)
Steel Sabotage
Turn the Tide (houses infect - love this card)
Black
Flesh-Eater Imp (can end game quick)
Gruesome Encore (seems fun)
Spread the Sickness
Virulent Wound (really like this card)
Red
Burn the Impure
Crush
Into the Core
Slagstorm
Rally the Forces (First strike trumps Infect - learned that with the 4/2 golem from Scars)
Green
Creeping Corrosion
Melira's Keepers
Mirran Mettle
Viridian Corrupter (SICK)
Artifact
Brass Squire (love free equipping)
Gust Skimmer (loved WRu when I played it at Scars prerelease)
Myr Welder
Phyrexian Juggernaut
Pierce Strider
Psychosis Crawler
Shimmer Myr
Sphere of the Suns
Sword of Feast and Famine
Titan Forge
Dunno how I feel about the Living Weapon ability. Seems good, but dunno how I feel.

Constructed/Casual
Mirran Crusader (seems good against infect :P)
Consecrated Sphinx
All the Zeniths
Phyrexian Crusader makes infect much more viable I think.
Galvanoth looks fun
Slagstorm
Thrun, The Last Troll
Love Glissa
Darksteel Plate
Phyrexian Revoker


I like the set for limited, as it seems like there are a few strategies to go against infect, despite what some people might think. My issue is a huge lack of any sort of removal/direct damage, especially because Concussive bolt doesn't hit creatures.

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Cards I think will see play in EDH:

Consecrated Sphinx (Possibly best casual card in set)
Treasure Mage
Black Sun's Zenith
Green Sun's Zenith
Massacre Wurm
Into the Core
Creeping Corrosion
Tezzeret
Glissa
Spine of Ish Sah

Overall, my deck just got another sweeper and possibly a Vindicate.
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Galvanoth... seems like something that could be fun to work with
 
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155/155 out. I'm disappointed... I only really play Legacy, and I'm not seeing much. What do you think could see play in Legacy?

Crusaders I can see being sideboarded for their protections.

Tezzeret is pretty deck specific so I don't think he'll see much.

Thrun is sweet, but probably won't see play.

Sword of Feast and Famine will never be as good as SoFI and SoLS.

Hero of Bladehold, probably not.

Green Sun's Zenith, maybe? What cards would it fetch?

Consecrated Sphynx is badass but expensive and easily removed in Legacy. Though I definitely imagine it'll be used in EDH.

Go for the Throat is good removal but sub par to Legacy's arsenal.

Treasure Mage? Would could that fetch in Legacy? Nothing that I can think of.

Might Goblin Wardriver be used in Goblins? Likely not.

Lead the Stampede might be played in Elves instead of Sylvan Messenger I'll sure try it.

Another question to ponder. Will Legacy ever see a poison deck?

 
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Oh my god. I knew there was a reason i kept all my old Divine Offering.

Ardent Recruit W
1/1
Metalcraft gives it +2+2

It's no glint hawk but holy crap i love this card.

Choking Fumes 2W
Instant
Put a -1-1 counter on each attacking creature.

Another sweet, sweet limited card.

Kemba's Legion 5WW
4/6
Can block an additional creature for each equipment attached to it.

About as strong as a crappy rare, but uncommon.

Master's Call 2W
Instant
Put two 1/1 myr into play.

Yea, metalcraft got a boost.

Oculus 1U
1/1
When this is put into a graveyard from play, draw a card.

Oh that's gonna be so gravy for limited.

Gruesome Encore 2B
Sorcery
Put a creature card from an opponent's graveyard into play under your control. It gains haste. Exile it at end step or if it would leave the battlefield.

Ughhhh yesssss

Horrifying Revelation B
Sorcery
Target player discards a card, then puts the top card of their library into their graveyard.

Yes please

Virulent Wound B
Instant
Target creaure get's -1-1 until of turn. When that creature is put into a graveyard from play this turn, it's controler gets a poison counter.

Removal and maybe even the last counter for the win?

Metallic Mastery 2R
Sorcery
Gain control of target artifact until end of turn/untap it/it gains haste.

The only good things from mirran faction are now mine :s

Blight Widow 3G
2/4
Infect and reach

Pistus Strike 2G
Instant
Destroy target creature with flying, it's controller get's a poison counter.

That is so unnecessary >.>

Praetor's Counsel 5GGG
Sorcery
Return all cards in your graveyard to your hand, exile Counsel. You have no maximum handsize for the rest of the game.

Steep cost, but holy crap, what a way to make a comeback. And this is in addition to 2 strong Zenith's already.

Magentic Mine 4
Whenever an artifact is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, mine deals 2 damage to it's controller.

Fantastic.

Myr Sire 2
1/1
When put into a graveyard from play, put a 1/1 myr into play.

Phyrexia is so much more awesome than Mirran.

Plague Myr 2
1/1
In fect, tap to add one colorless mana to pool.

Accels early, late game an extra ground force. Can't go wrong with that.

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quote:
Originally posted by InResponseForceOfWill:
155/155 out. I'm disappointed... I only really play Legacy, and I'm not seeing much. What do you think could see play in Legacy?

Crusaders I can see being sideboarded for their protections.

Tezzeret is pretty deck specific so I don't think he'll see much.

Thrun is sweet, but probably won't see play.

Sword of Feast and Famine will never be as good as SoFI and SoLS.

Hero of Bladehold, probably not.

Green Sun's Zenith, maybe? What cards would it fetch?

Consecrated Sphynx is badass but expensive and easily removed in Legacy. Though I definitely imagine it'll be used in EDH.

Go for the Throat is good removal but sub par to Legacy's arsenal.

Treasure Mage? Would could that fetch in Legacy? Nothing that I can think of.

Might Goblin Wardriver be used in Goblins? Likely not.

Lead the Stampede might be played in Elves instead of Sylvan Messenger I'll sure try it.

Another question to ponder. Will Legacy ever see a poison deck?


I think the green sun is extremely playable, because it can fetch anything you need, it's basically goyf 5-8 and you can run singleton toolbox such as pridemage and friends.

Nothing else pops up as legacy changing, but I am sure the revoker will see some play and tezerett will have its own deck.

I do want to tinker with an aggro poison deck that runs berserk, pump and maybe double cleave, but the lack of a one drop infect dude really kills the idea.

BTW, does anyone know if the next set after besiege is going to be a normal 145 or 155 card set or will be something different like a stand alone or something?

 
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Green Sun should hit legacy, it's pretty fantastic. One more mana and you don't need the creature in hand, can be any creature (and again not just one in hand), nets you a deck shuffle, and comes back for more. I'm trying to guess a price on it, myself. Seems like the best sun.

Revoker reminds me of Dark Confidant. It's got the strong ability, but can also be an extra 2 power to help push in more damage. The colorless mana is fun, too. It ought to see legacy.

Legacy poison doesn't seem like it's an option just yet, outside of using slim pickings (ie, mostly mediocre) and pumping them up. Seems unreliable. I think after the third set we might see something attempted, but nothing strikes me as a groundbreaking alternative right now. In casual/T2 you can already win turn 3 with poison though, which is entertaining. But unreliable.

The next set will be called Mirrodin Pure or Mirrdoin: New Phyrexia, after one of the sides wins the battle. Wizards won't tell us who, of course. Spoiler alert; it's Phyrexia.
It will be 175 cards and is supposed to come out in May.
I don't know what you mean standalone, it's a regular 3 set block? But i wonder if the extra cards might be more lands again, at least some (30 extry basics?? please god no...). Ehhh, the larger the set the better anyway.

 
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Legacy infect
Nothing kills the Phyrexian Crusader in Legacy except maybe gatekeeper of malikir, Jitte, Sofi, and the occasional smother. He races faster than goyf and the first strike + infect give him a chance against him.

Phyrexian Crusader 4
Plague Stinger 4
Dark Confidant 4
Noble Hierarch 4

Berserk 4
Rancor 4
Invigorate 4

Worldy Tutor 4

Thoughtseize 4
Duress 4


Bayou 4
Verdant Catacombs 4
Forest 4
Swamp 4
Inkmoth Nexus 4

Still thinking about worldly tutor. Wish i could run green sun's zenith instead. Could put in wasteland as well. May reduce some of the pump to 3 and add in like Mox diamond or something. i know a guy that wants to run artifact lands and throne of geth. Also thinking about adding livewire lash, but probably don't need it.

Sideboard
Autumns Veil
Vines of Vastwood
Pithing Needle
Leyline of the Void/Fairie Macabra

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quote:
Originally posted by Sovarius:
Green Sun should hit legacy, it's pretty fantastic. One more mana and you don't need the creature in hand, can be any creature (and again not just one in hand), nets you a deck shuffle, and comes back for more. I'm trying to guess a price on it, myself. Seems like the best sun.

Revoker reminds me of Dark Confidant. It's got the strong ability, but can also be an extra 2 power to help push in more damage. The colorless mana is fun, too. It ought to see legacy.

Legacy poison doesn't seem like it's an option just yet, outside of using slim pickings (ie, mostly mediocre) and pumping them up. Seems unreliable. I think after the third set we might see something attempted, but nothing strikes me as a groundbreaking alternative right now. In casual/T2 you can already win turn 3 with poison though, which is entertaining. But unreliable.

The next set will be called Mirrodin Pure or Mirrdoin: New Phyrexia, after one of the sides wins the battle. Wizards won't tell us who, of course. Spoiler alert; it's Phyrexia.
It will be 175 cards and is supposed to come out in May.
I don't know what you mean standalone, it's a regular 3 set block? But i wonder if the extra cards might be more lands again, at least some (30 extry basics?? please god no...). Ehhh, the larger the set the better anyway.


Source?

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i heard that dependding on which side you chose at the prerelese to besiged will determine who wins the war

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quote:
Originally posted by darius vitrosoo:
i heard that dependding on which side you chose at the prerelese to besiged will determine who wins the war



I doubt that... they probably designed one and then just made up the "prerelease decides" thing as a pr ploy. The only evidence players will have as to which side was chosen more is anecdotal at best and easily dismissed.

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Pretty sure if they were basing it off what you pick at the pre, then Phyrexia is going to be winning. It's what I'll be planning to go with at least.

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quote:
Originally posted by darius vitrosoo:
i heard that dependding on which side you chose at the prerelese to besiged will determine who wins the war


That would be impossible as the sets are made nearly 2 years in advance they'd have to make both sets "just in case".

They know the story already, they just don't want to spoil it yet.

New Phyrexia means the Phyrexians get to remain the big bad guys and they can return a 3rd time to Mirrodin and have the remaining Mirran's rise up.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by CubFan81:
That would be impossible as the sets are made nearly 2 years in advance they'd have to make both sets "just in case".

They know the story already, they just don't want to spoil it yet.

New Phyrexia means the Phyrexians get to remain the big bad guys and they can return a 3rd time to Mirrodin and have the remaining Mirran's rise up.


Trust me, if Phyrexia wins there aren't going to be any "remaining Mirrans". That's not how they roll.

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quote:
Originally posted by darius vitrosoo:
i heard that dependding on which side you chose at the prerelese to besiged will determine who wins the war


Completely false. MaRo told me at World's that they designed two sets but only one will see print. He emphasized that the public would not have any impact on the decision, everything has already been decided internally. And no, he wouldn't let on which side won (for obvious reasons).

The drama of the war and the unknown outcome exists to provide tension and hype for the third set in the block.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Bugger:
Source?

Wizards, of course ;s

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/599

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quote:
Originally posted by Sovarius:
Wizards, of course ;s

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/599


No, I meant what's your source for having such confidence in phyrexia winning. I mean I want them to win too, and I think they probably will, but you sounded really authoritative.

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quote:
Originally posted by stab107:

The drama of the war and the unknown outcome exists to provide tension and hype for the third set in the block.


You forgot the part where everybody throws their cashy money at Wizards.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Bugger:
No, I meant what's your source for having such confidence in phyrexia winning. I mean I want them to win too, and I think they probably will, but you sounded really authoritative.

Ohhh, hahaha. I assumed you meant the one that wasn't meant as an opinion.
I just know, cause, look at the cards :v
I don't have any reason to think one side will win over the other, but Mirrodin has always given me a very sad, doomed impression so if i had to guess i think the bad guys are going to win this one.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by InResponseForceOfWill:
155/155 out. I'm disappointed... I only really play Legacy, and I'm not seeing much. What do you think could see play in Legacy?

Crusaders I can see being sideboarded for their protections.

Tezzeret is pretty deck specific so I don't think he'll see much.

Thrun is sweet, but probably won't see play.

Sword of Feast and Famine will never be as good as SoFI and SoLS.

Hero of Bladehold, probably not.

Green Sun's Zenith, maybe? What cards would it fetch?

Consecrated Sphynx is badass but expensive and easily removed in Legacy. Though I definitely imagine it'll be used in EDH.

Go for the Throat is good removal but sub par to Legacy's arsenal.

Treasure Mage? Would could that fetch in Legacy? Nothing that I can think of.

Might Goblin Wardriver be used in Goblins? Likely not.

Lead the Stampede might be played in Elves instead of Sylvan Messenger I'll sure try it.

Another question to ponder. Will Legacy ever see a poison deck?


Inkmoth Nexus.

I will play a set of them instead of Mishra's Factory.

Also, Green Zenith will see play in elves prolly and the blue one in Spring Tide/Solidarity.

 
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If all you play is eternal, you cannot be disappointed when a new set comes out. With 10,000 unique cards in legacy, and some obviously very powerful old ones, if you get 1-2 'playables' from any set you should be excited. As such, Besieged is actually great. Go for the Throat is probably THE best black removal spell printed, Phyrexian Revoker is a fine guy, Green Zenith has combo potential. Steel Sabotage is great in vintage, Blightsteel Colossus is a silly tinker target, and Tezzeret could quite possibly be insane. Thats 6 cards that can certainly make an impact in Eternal. The last set to have that much Eternal stuff was Zendikar, and ONLY because of 5 fetchlands.

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quote:
Originally posted by Heresy19:
Inkmoth Nexus.

I will play a set of them instead of Mishra's Factory.


You're talking legacy? Not sure what deck this would be better in at all. They don't pump each other, they don't block, and the rest of your deck isn't doing poison damage so the damage gets split and your opponent "gains life".

 
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quote:
Originally posted by InResponseForceOfWill:
155/155 out. I'm disappointed... I only really play Legacy, and I'm not seeing much. What do you think could see play in Legacy?


I think that this card actually might see play in Legacy

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Phyrexian Revoker
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The card has too many issues for legacy. It costs 1 more mana, which is huge. It also is a creature. A lot of decks can answer a creature more easily then a random artifact. This guy lets your opponent be versatile in their removal and still hit it.
 
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Do we know why Tezzeret is the only non-aligned card in MBS (besides the basic land, sadly)? Is it so that the faction packs don't have an uneven number of cards between then, or is there a storyline-type reason?

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