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Topic: The Mirrodin Beseiged spoiler thread
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ryan2754 Member
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posted January 25, 2011 10:42 PM
My take on the set. Gonna concentrate on C/U for limited (as most rares in limited are decent from what I've seen in the spoiler) (AKA all the Zenith's, etc.) and because I don't know much about current Standard. Overall I think a well formulated deck centered on Battle Cry (W/r) might be a really good deck to take on Infect in limited. Limited Cards that I like: White Choking Fumes (great against infect) Divine Offering (obv) Frantic Salvage (seems way toooo good) Leonin-Relic Warder (looks good for Constructed too) Phyrexian Rebirth Blue Corrupted Conscience (HOUSE!) Fuel for the Cause (dunno why, but I like it) Steel Sabotage Turn the Tide (houses infect - love this card) Black Flesh-Eater Imp (can end game quick) Gruesome Encore (seems fun) Spread the Sickness Virulent Wound (really like this card) Red Burn the Impure Crush Into the Core Slagstorm Rally the Forces (First strike trumps Infect - learned that with the 4/2 golem from Scars) Green Creeping Corrosion Melira's Keepers Mirran Mettle Viridian Corrupter (SICK) Artifact Brass Squire (love free equipping) Gust Skimmer (loved WRu when I played it at Scars prerelease) Myr Welder Phyrexian Juggernaut Pierce Strider Psychosis Crawler Shimmer Myr Sphere of the Suns Sword of Feast and Famine Titan Forge Dunno how I feel about the Living Weapon ability. Seems good, but dunno how I feel. Constructed/Casual Mirran Crusader (seems good against infect :P) Consecrated Sphinx All the Zeniths Phyrexian Crusader makes infect much more viable I think. Galvanoth looks fun Slagstorm Thrun, The Last Troll Love Glissa Darksteel Plate Phyrexian Revoker I like the set for limited, as it seems like there are a few strategies to go against infect, despite what some people might think. My issue is a huge lack of any sort of removal/direct damage, especially because Concussive bolt doesn't hit creatures.
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Havoc Demon Member
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posted January 25, 2011 11:00 PM
Cards I think will see play in EDH:Consecrated Sphinx (Possibly best casual card in set) Treasure Mage Black Sun's Zenith Green Sun's Zenith Massacre Wurm Into the Core Creeping Corrosion Tezzeret Glissa Spine of Ish Sah Overall, my deck just got another sweeper and possibly a Vindicate. __________________ Most References in Massachusetts (Moving pays off I guess.)Support my friend's store: http://www.tabletoparena.com
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Heresy19 Member
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posted January 26, 2011 04:58 AM
Galvanoth... seems like something that could be fun to work with
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InResponseForceOfWill Member
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posted January 26, 2011 06:21 AM
155/155 out. I'm disappointed... I only really play Legacy, and I'm not seeing much. What do you think could see play in Legacy? Crusaders I can see being sideboarded for their protections. Tezzeret is pretty deck specific so I don't think he'll see much. Thrun is sweet, but probably won't see play. Sword of Feast and Famine will never be as good as SoFI and SoLS. Hero of Bladehold, probably not. Green Sun's Zenith, maybe? What cards would it fetch? Consecrated Sphynx is badass but expensive and easily removed in Legacy. Though I definitely imagine it'll be used in EDH. Go for the Throat is good removal but sub par to Legacy's arsenal. Treasure Mage? Would could that fetch in Legacy? Nothing that I can think of. Might Goblin Wardriver be used in Goblins? Likely not. Lead the Stampede might be played in Elves instead of Sylvan Messenger I'll sure try it. Another question to ponder. Will Legacy ever see a poison deck?
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Sovarius Member
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posted January 26, 2011 06:28 AM
Oh my god. I knew there was a reason i kept all my old Divine Offering.Ardent Recruit W 1/1 Metalcraft gives it +2+2 It's no glint hawk but holy crap i love this card. Choking Fumes 2W Instant Put a -1-1 counter on each attacking creature. Another sweet, sweet limited card. Kemba's Legion 5WW 4/6 Can block an additional creature for each equipment attached to it. About as strong as a crappy rare, but uncommon. Master's Call 2W Instant Put two 1/1 myr into play. Yea, metalcraft got a boost. Oculus 1U 1/1 When this is put into a graveyard from play, draw a card. Oh that's gonna be so gravy for limited. Gruesome Encore 2B Sorcery Put a creature card from an opponent's graveyard into play under your control. It gains haste. Exile it at end step or if it would leave the battlefield. Ughhhh yesssss Horrifying Revelation B Sorcery Target player discards a card, then puts the top card of their library into their graveyard. Yes please Virulent Wound B Instant Target creaure get's -1-1 until of turn. When that creature is put into a graveyard from play this turn, it's controler gets a poison counter. Removal and maybe even the last counter for the win? Metallic Mastery 2R Sorcery Gain control of target artifact until end of turn/untap it/it gains haste. The only good things from mirran faction are now mine :s Blight Widow 3G 2/4 Infect and reach Pistus Strike 2G Instant Destroy target creature with flying, it's controller get's a poison counter. That is so unnecessary >.> Praetor's Counsel 5GGG Sorcery Return all cards in your graveyard to your hand, exile Counsel. You have no maximum handsize for the rest of the game. Steep cost, but holy crap, what a way to make a comeback. And this is in addition to 2 strong Zenith's already. Magentic Mine 4 Whenever an artifact is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, mine deals 2 damage to it's controller. Fantastic. Myr Sire 2 1/1 When put into a graveyard from play, put a 1/1 myr into play. Phyrexia is so much more awesome than Mirran. Plague Myr 2 1/1 In fect, tap to add one colorless mana to pool. Accels early, late game an extra ground force. Can't go wrong with that.
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fluffycow Member
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posted January 26, 2011 07:04 AM
quote: Originally posted by InResponseForceOfWill: 155/155 out. I'm disappointed... I only really play Legacy, and I'm not seeing much. What do you think could see play in Legacy? Crusaders I can see being sideboarded for their protections. Tezzeret is pretty deck specific so I don't think he'll see much. Thrun is sweet, but probably won't see play. Sword of Feast and Famine will never be as good as SoFI and SoLS. Hero of Bladehold, probably not. Green Sun's Zenith, maybe? What cards would it fetch? Consecrated Sphynx is badass but expensive and easily removed in Legacy. Though I definitely imagine it'll be used in EDH. Go for the Throat is good removal but sub par to Legacy's arsenal. Treasure Mage? Would could that fetch in Legacy? Nothing that I can think of. Might Goblin Wardriver be used in Goblins? Likely not. Lead the Stampede might be played in Elves instead of Sylvan Messenger I'll sure try it. Another question to ponder. Will Legacy ever see a poison deck?
I think the green sun is extremely playable, because it can fetch anything you need, it's basically goyf 5-8 and you can run singleton toolbox such as pridemage and friends. Nothing else pops up as legacy changing, but I am sure the revoker will see some play and tezerett will have its own deck. I do want to tinker with an aggro poison deck that runs berserk, pump and maybe double cleave, but the lack of a one drop infect dude really kills the idea. BTW, does anyone know if the next set after besiege is going to be a normal 145 or 155 card set or will be something different like a stand alone or something?
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Sovarius Member
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posted January 26, 2011 08:21 AM
Green Sun should hit legacy, it's pretty fantastic. One more mana and you don't need the creature in hand, can be any creature (and again not just one in hand), nets you a deck shuffle, and comes back for more. I'm trying to guess a price on it, myself. Seems like the best sun.Revoker reminds me of Dark Confidant. It's got the strong ability, but can also be an extra 2 power to help push in more damage. The colorless mana is fun, too. It ought to see legacy. Legacy poison doesn't seem like it's an option just yet, outside of using slim pickings (ie, mostly mediocre) and pumping them up. Seems unreliable. I think after the third set we might see something attempted, but nothing strikes me as a groundbreaking alternative right now. In casual/T2 you can already win turn 3 with poison though, which is entertaining. But unreliable. The next set will be called Mirrodin Pure or Mirrdoin: New Phyrexia, after one of the sides wins the battle. Wizards won't tell us who, of course. Spoiler alert; it's Phyrexia. It will be 175 cards and is supposed to come out in May. I don't know what you mean standalone, it's a regular 3 set block? But i wonder if the extra cards might be more lands again, at least some (30 extry basics?? please god no...). Ehhh, the larger the set the better anyway.
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gcowhsu Member
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posted January 26, 2011 08:37 AM
Legacy infect Nothing kills the Phyrexian Crusader in Legacy except maybe gatekeeper of malikir, Jitte, Sofi, and the occasional smother. He races faster than goyf and the first strike + infect give him a chance against him.Phyrexian Crusader 4 Plague Stinger 4 Dark Confidant 4 Noble Hierarch 4 Berserk 4 Rancor 4 Invigorate 4 Worldy Tutor 4 Thoughtseize 4 Duress 4 Bayou 4 Verdant Catacombs 4 Forest 4 Swamp 4 Inkmoth Nexus 4 Still thinking about worldly tutor. Wish i could run green sun's zenith instead. Could put in wasteland as well. May reduce some of the pump to 3 and add in like Mox diamond or something. i know a guy that wants to run artifact lands and throne of geth. Also thinking about adding livewire lash, but probably don't need it. Sideboard Autumns Veil Vines of Vastwood Pithing Needle Leyline of the Void/Fairie Macabra
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Bugger Member
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posted January 26, 2011 08:42 AM
quote: Originally posted by Sovarius: Green Sun should hit legacy, it's pretty fantastic. One more mana and you don't need the creature in hand, can be any creature (and again not just one in hand), nets you a deck shuffle, and comes back for more. I'm trying to guess a price on it, myself. Seems like the best sun.Revoker reminds me of Dark Confidant. It's got the strong ability, but can also be an extra 2 power to help push in more damage. The colorless mana is fun, too. It ought to see legacy. Legacy poison doesn't seem like it's an option just yet, outside of using slim pickings (ie, mostly mediocre) and pumping them up. Seems unreliable. I think after the third set we might see something attempted, but nothing strikes me as a groundbreaking alternative right now. In casual/T2 you can already win turn 3 with poison though, which is entertaining. But unreliable. The next set will be called Mirrodin Pure or Mirrdoin: New Phyrexia, after one of the sides wins the battle. Wizards won't tell us who, of course. Spoiler alert; it's Phyrexia. It will be 175 cards and is supposed to come out in May. I don't know what you mean standalone, it's a regular 3 set block? But i wonder if the extra cards might be more lands again, at least some (30 extry basics?? please god no...). Ehhh, the larger the set the better anyway.
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darius vitrosoo Member
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posted January 26, 2011 08:52 AM
i heard that dependding on which side you chose at the prerelese to besiged will determine who wins the war__________________ welcome to the wonderful world of card-board crack, please sit down and prepare to get mana-screwed.things i am working on with friends http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Luminosity http://www.amazon.com/gp/shops/storefront/index.html?%20%20ie=UTF8&marketplaceID=ATVPDKIKX0DER&sellerID=A9VS1Y
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Bugger Member
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posted January 26, 2011 08:58 AM
quote: Originally posted by darius vitrosoo: i heard that dependding on which side you chose at the prerelese to besiged will determine who wins the war
I doubt that... they probably designed one and then just made up the "prerelease decides" thing as a pr ploy. The only evidence players will have as to which side was chosen more is anecdotal at best and easily dismissed.
__________________ (Humans) are stubborn, self-destructive conformists. Any other view of our species is just self-congratulatory delusion. Next Question." -- Michael Crichton, The Lost Worldstu55 noooooooooooooooooooooooo
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iccarus Member
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posted January 26, 2011 10:10 AM
Pretty sure if they were basing it off what you pick at the pre, then Phyrexia is going to be winning. It's what I'll be planning to go with at least.__________________ Wisconsin - smells like dairy air!
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CubFan81 Member
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posted January 26, 2011 10:20 AM
quote: Originally posted by darius vitrosoo: i heard that dependding on which side you chose at the prerelese to besiged will determine who wins the war
That would be impossible as the sets are made nearly 2 years in advance they'd have to make both sets "just in case". They know the story already, they just don't want to spoil it yet. New Phyrexia means the Phyrexians get to remain the big bad guys and they can return a 3rd time to Mirrodin and have the remaining Mirran's rise up.
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Bugger Member
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posted January 26, 2011 10:35 AM
quote: Originally posted by CubFan81: That would be impossible as the sets are made nearly 2 years in advance they'd have to make both sets "just in case".They know the story already, they just don't want to spoil it yet. New Phyrexia means the Phyrexians get to remain the big bad guys and they can return a 3rd time to Mirrodin and have the remaining Mirran's rise up.
Trust me, if Phyrexia wins there aren't going to be any "remaining Mirrans". That's not how they roll.
__________________ (Humans) are stubborn, self-destructive conformists. Any other view of our species is just self-congratulatory delusion. Next Question." -- Michael Crichton, The Lost Worldstu55 noooooooooooooooooooooooo
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stab107 Member
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posted January 26, 2011 02:45 PM
quote: Originally posted by darius vitrosoo: i heard that dependding on which side you chose at the prerelese to besiged will determine who wins the war
Completely false. MaRo told me at World's that they designed two sets but only one will see print. He emphasized that the public would not have any impact on the decision, everything has already been decided internally. And no, he wouldn't let on which side won (for obvious reasons). The drama of the war and the unknown outcome exists to provide tension and hype for the third set in the block.
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Sovarius Member
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posted January 26, 2011 02:45 PM
quote: Originally posted by Bugger: Source?
Wizards, of course ;s http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/599
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Bugger Member
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posted January 26, 2011 03:45 PM
quote: Originally posted by Sovarius: Wizards, of course ;shttp://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/599
No, I meant what's your source for having such confidence in phyrexia winning. I mean I want them to win too, and I think they probably will, but you sounded really authoritative. __________________ (Humans) are stubborn, self-destructive conformists. Any other view of our species is just self-congratulatory delusion. Next Question." -- Michael Crichton, The Lost Worldstu55 noooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Havoc Demon Member
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posted January 26, 2011 03:56 PM
quote: Originally posted by stab107:
The drama of the war and the unknown outcome exists to provide tension and hype for the third set in the block.
You forgot the part where everybody throws their cashy money at Wizards.
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Sovarius Member
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posted January 26, 2011 06:36 PM
quote: Originally posted by Bugger: No, I meant what's your source for having such confidence in phyrexia winning. I mean I want them to win too, and I think they probably will, but you sounded really authoritative.
Ohhh, hahaha. I assumed you meant the one that wasn't meant as an opinion. I just know, cause, look at the cards :v I don't have any reason to think one side will win over the other, but Mirrodin has always given me a very sad, doomed impression so if i had to guess i think the bad guys are going to win this one.
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Heresy19 Member
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posted January 26, 2011 07:21 PM
quote: Originally posted by InResponseForceOfWill: 155/155 out. I'm disappointed... I only really play Legacy, and I'm not seeing much. What do you think could see play in Legacy? Crusaders I can see being sideboarded for their protections. Tezzeret is pretty deck specific so I don't think he'll see much. Thrun is sweet, but probably won't see play. Sword of Feast and Famine will never be as good as SoFI and SoLS. Hero of Bladehold, probably not. Green Sun's Zenith, maybe? What cards would it fetch? Consecrated Sphynx is badass but expensive and easily removed in Legacy. Though I definitely imagine it'll be used in EDH. Go for the Throat is good removal but sub par to Legacy's arsenal. Treasure Mage? Would could that fetch in Legacy? Nothing that I can think of. Might Goblin Wardriver be used in Goblins? Likely not. Lead the Stampede might be played in Elves instead of Sylvan Messenger I'll sure try it. Another question to ponder. Will Legacy ever see a poison deck?
Inkmoth Nexus. I will play a set of them instead of Mishra's Factory. Also, Green Zenith will see play in elves prolly and the blue one in Spring Tide/Solidarity.
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thror Member
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posted January 26, 2011 08:42 PM
If all you play is eternal, you cannot be disappointed when a new set comes out. With 10,000 unique cards in legacy, and some obviously very powerful old ones, if you get 1-2 'playables' from any set you should be excited. As such, Besieged is actually great. Go for the Throat is probably THE best black removal spell printed, Phyrexian Revoker is a fine guy, Green Zenith has combo potential. Steel Sabotage is great in vintage, Blightsteel Colossus is a silly tinker target, and Tezzeret could quite possibly be insane. Thats 6 cards that can certainly make an impact in Eternal. The last set to have that much Eternal stuff was Zendikar, and ONLY because of 5 fetchlands.__________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."[16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? [16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted [19:01] <nderEvo> you can delete yourself
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caquaa Member
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posted January 27, 2011 12:21 AM
quote: Originally posted by Heresy19: Inkmoth Nexus.I will play a set of them instead of Mishra's Factory.
You're talking legacy? Not sure what deck this would be better in at all. They don't pump each other, they don't block, and the rest of your deck isn't doing poison damage so the damage gets split and your opponent "gains life".
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wisknudde Member
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posted January 27, 2011 02:27 AM
quote: Originally posted by InResponseForceOfWill: 155/155 out. I'm disappointed... I only really play Legacy, and I'm not seeing much. What do you think could see play in Legacy?
I think that this card actually might see play in Legacy quote: Phyrexian Revoker Artifact Creature - Horror As Phyrexian Revoker enters the battlefield, name a nonland card. Activated abilities of sources with the chosen name can't be activated. Basic senses like sight and taste are reserved for those in power. Illus. Kev Walker #122/155 2/1
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caquaa Member
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posted January 27, 2011 05:38 AM
The card has too many issues for legacy. It costs 1 more mana, which is huge. It also is a creature. A lot of decks can answer a creature more easily then a random artifact. This guy lets your opponent be versatile in their removal and still hit it.
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OGB Member
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posted January 27, 2011 07:55 AM
Do we know why Tezzeret is the only non-aligned card in MBS (besides the basic land, sadly)? Is it so that the faction packs don't have an uneven number of cards between then, or is there a storyline-type reason?__________________ 2010 Homer Simpson Award Winnerhttp://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/016901.html
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