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Topic: The Mirrodin Beseiged spoiler thread
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gcowhsu
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posted January 21, 2011 02:46 PM
       
Mitotic manipulation is like cultivate for blue it isn't the worst card in the set.
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Goaswerfraiejen
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posted January 21, 2011 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by Heresy19:
This card is probably the best removal spell in the vain of Terror ever...
Other than Smother and Snuff Out and maybe Ghastly Demise? It's nice to have it, and it complements the rest of black's removal nicely. It's still too bad that white has the two best removal spells in the game, though. All I came in here to say is: "Buy your copies of Green Sun's Zenith now." The card is super-duper-ooper broken (especially in Legacy, yay!). I would seriously expect it to shoot up in value soon after its release (ebay has playsets at around $20 now... I think that's as low as it'll go). Heresy19, this card should be on your list above everything else. __________________
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fluffycow
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posted January 21, 2011 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by gcowhsu:
Mitotic manipulation is like cultivate for blue it isn't the worst card in the set.
Except it doesn't put anything in your hand and I really just picked a random rare that sucked. I really feel that some crappy rares are less crappy than others, at a certain point better smelling garbage is still garbage
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junichi
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posted January 21, 2011 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by Goaswerfraiejen:
Other than Smother and Snuff Out and maybe Ghastly Demise? It's nice to have it, and it complements the rest of black's removal nicely. It's still too bad that white has the two best removal spells in the game, though.All I came in here to say is: "Buy your copies of Green Sun's Zenith now." The card is super-duper-ooper broken (especially in Legacy, yay!). I would seriously expect it to shoot up in value soon after its release (ebay has playsets at around $20 now... I think that's as low as it'll go). Heresy19, this card should be on your list above everything else.
The ceiling will be low as long as it is a rare and not a mythic.
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JTAubrey
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posted January 21, 2011 03:24 PM
I don't understand how the same R&D that made such an awesome block as Zendikar was could turn around and come up with a block this bad.I was half-expecting a "blightbound ravager" to show up..
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Sovarius
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posted January 22, 2011 12:57 AM
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Originally posted by shaselai:
i think for Sealed it will be a tough call to go phyrexia or mirrodin if it is a 3 (scars) + 3 (mbs).
It's 3 Mirrodin Besieged regular packs, and then 3 faction packs (which are also MBS)
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ninjazwig
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posted January 22, 2011 01:35 AM
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Originally posted by Sovarius:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by shaselai:
i think for Sealed it will be a tough call to go phyrexia or mirrodin if it is a 3 (scars) + 3 (mbs).
It's 3 Mirrodin Besieged regular packs, and then 3 faction packs (which are also MBS)[/QUOTE]No, actually it is three Scars of Mirrodin and three Mirrodin Besieged faction packs.
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Sovarius
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posted January 22, 2011 06:09 AM
Ah ok, i heard wrong. That really sucks, now it seems like mirran won't be a completely bad choice. I'm still all for evil, though.I wonder what the value on unopened factions packs will be like in a couple years.
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GenghisTom
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posted January 22, 2011 07:47 AM
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Originally posted by fluffycow:
Why do they make garbage like this, I mean if the activated ability costed 2, it would still not be very good. And that blue card that is a worse version of diabolic tutor and concentrate, what's the point of printing such useless rares? Well if their goal is to annoy me, mission accomplished. edit: tutor, not edict
Would you rather they print every rare/mythic as a bomb? There has to be bad rares in every set. Bad rares with flavor give a good background to the set.
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Volcanon
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posted January 22, 2011 08:52 AM
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Originally posted by GenghisTom:
Would you rather they print every rare/mythic as a bomb? There has to be bad rares in every set. Bad rares with flavor give a good background to the set.
Mitotic seems fine. It's either mana accel or if it's T2 you might hit something you want to come into play.
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fluffycow
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posted January 22, 2011 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by GenghisTom:
Would you rather they print every rare/mythic as a bomb? There has to be bad rares in every set. Bad rares with flavor give a good background to the set.
So would making the activity cost 2 completely be broken? Not at all, would it still be worth nothing? Of course, but would it be slightly more casual fun? Maybe. So why make rares so bad that its worse than most commons?
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junichi
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posted January 22, 2011 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by fluffycow:
So would making the activity cost 2 completely be broken? Not at all, would it still be worth nothing? Of course, but would it be slightly more casual fun? Maybe. So why make rares so bad that its worse than most commons?
Tbh, I wouldn't be upset at all if I open that in my booster. It would just go right into my EDH decks for some good laughs. __________________
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daner
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posted January 22, 2011 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by fluffycow:
Why do they make garbage like this, I mean if the activated ability costed 2, it would still not be very good. And that blue card that is a worse version of diabolic tutor and concentrate, what's the point of printing such useless rares? Well if their goal is to annoy me, mission accomplished. edit: tutor, not edict
First off if it had an activation cost of 2 it would be a limited BOMB. Do you know how good millstone was in draft? This would be like Millstone on crack. Secondly, it's not the worst rare we've seen. In fact this set pretty much has rares that can all be used in some format or another. I don't know why your being such a whiney bitch? Like I said this set is pretty darn good for draft, EDH, and constructed. What the hell else do you want? Each rare seems like it can serve a purpose, there isn't Moonlace or some other form of garbag that will NEVER see play. Seriously, take a look again at the spoiler list....it's not a bad set at all, it's quite good.
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Originally posted by junichi:
Tbh, I wouldn't be upset at all if I open that in my booster. It would just go right into my EDH decks for some good laughs.
Even at an activation cost of 4 this card can mill out your opponent in 5 turns(in sealed). So a card that he thinks sucks is a 5 turn clock win, and you don't need to attack. Not to mention it's a way to push through those extra poison counters if your infect deck runs out of gas...which happens often. He just doesn't know how to evaluate cards....or he got sand in his diaper. The card is fine.
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fluffycow
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posted January 22, 2011 01:39 PM
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Originally posted by daner:
First off if it had an activation cost of 2 it would be a limited BOMB. Do you know how good millstone was in draft? This would be like Millstone on crack. Secondly, it's not the worst rare we've seen. In fact this set pretty much has rares that can all be used in some format or another. I don't know why your being such a whiney bitch? Like I said this set is pretty darn good for draft, EDH, and constructed. What the hell else do you want? Each rare seems like it can serve a purpose, there isn't Moonlace or some other form of garbag that will NEVER see play. Seriously, take a look again at the spoiler list....it's not a bad set at all, it's quite good.Even at an activation cost of 4 this card can mill out your opponent in 5 turns(in sealed). So a card that he thinks sucks is a 5 turn clock win, and you don't need to attack. Not to mention it's a way to push through those extra poison counters if your infect deck runs out of gas...which happens often. He just doesn't know how to evaluate cards....or he got sand in his diaper. The card is fine.
Reserved. I don't want to get karma slapped. Waiting for mod to responde before I blow you off the map Edit 1: I am going out for the night and I haven't heard anything from the mods yet, so I will give you a chance to reread what I wrote and reform your argument if you like. If you haven't seen your flaws by tomorrow, I will gladly rip a new one for you.
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daner
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posted January 22, 2011 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by fluffycow:
Reserved. I don't want to get karma slapped. Waiting for mod to responde before I blow you off the map
Blow me out of the water for what? Calling you out? EVERY post I've seen of yours in this thread is you crying like a baby. BOO HOO some of the rares are bad....well golly jee, I'm sorry Wizards doesn't just make every rare as good as Tarmogoyf for you to play with. Oh no! They keep making worse and worse sets, right? You sound like your lost...let me help you find your way home. http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/ ^^ Go there, I'm sure someone will lend you a shoulder to cry on.
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Bugger
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posted January 22, 2011 04:20 PM
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Tha Gunslinga
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posted January 22, 2011 04:48 PM
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Sovarius
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posted January 22, 2011 10:02 PM
Lots of garbage rare still have very powerful effects (if they're on the board). They just have high costs so it makes them a bit unplayable (unless the ability is SUPER powered like Iona or Progenitus) competitively.
Is Vengeful Archon a good card? No, not really (i'm not talking about dumb crap and non-constructed like highlander/edh/cube/limited). But imagine if it cost less (and even had a smaller body to compensate), then it would be great. If Phyrexian Revoker cost 8 and were a 7/7 would it be useful? Outside of MAYBE cheating it into play (but probably not) then i don't see the point in playing it.
Junk rares serve their purpose, even if you don't like them. Even if it isn't playable, the powerful effects ought to be on rares. Making Archon a common wouldn't make it better/worse but i don't really see the need for commons that can lock a board down.Getting offtopic i suppose... Anyway, does anyone think grand architect might get more love/value with tezzeret coming around? I could see a black splash for artifact deck i didn't see before.
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Mr.C
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posted January 23, 2011 01:30 AM
I like the Mill/Poison/Damage card. Really nice.I also like the new Vesuvan Doppelganger, except that it's way better than the original. __________________
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keywacat
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posted January 23, 2011 02:06 AM
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Originally posted by Mr.C:
I like the Mill/Poison/Damage card. Really nice.I also like the new Vesuvan Doppelganger, except that it's way better than the original.
Which card is that?  As for me the cards I like best (out of what's been spoiled so far  ) are Sangromancer and Glissa the Traitor. (I only play casual and cube these days, unless it's a core set pre-release.)
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daner
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posted January 23, 2011 02:11 AM
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Originally posted by keywacat:
Which card is that? As for me the cards I like best (out of what's been spoiled so far ) are Sangromancer and Glissa the Traitor. (I only play casual and cube these days, unless it's a core set pre-release.)
The card we are talking about is called "Decimator Web"
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keywacat
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posted January 23, 2011 04:20 AM
No, I mean which is the new Vesuvan Doppleganger...
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GenghisTom
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posted January 23, 2011 08:24 AM
Cryptoplasm {1}{U}{U}
Creature – Shapeshifter (Rare)
At the beginning of your upkeep, you may have Cryptoplasm become a copy of another target creature. If you do, Cryptoplasm gains this ability.
3/3http://www.gatheringmagic.com/mirrodin-besieged-spoilers-0155/
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Myy
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posted January 23, 2011 09:42 AM
has anyone noticed how Thrun, the last Troll is worded?it says Thrun, the last troll can't be countered. then is just says Regenerate Thrun. would there be a special reason why they would just call him Thrun?>
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JoshSherman
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posted January 23, 2011 09:42 AM
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Originally posted by Mr.C:
I also like the new Vesuvan Doppelganger, except that it's way better than the original.
The card is better, but it won't be as good as Doppleganger was in its time. __________________
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