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Topic: The Mirrodin Beseiged spoiler thread
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JTAubrey
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posted January 18, 2011 02:37 PM
      
Agreed, this is really lame. I remember when DSC first was spoiled: it was just unbelievable. The 11 cc didn't even matter, the fact that such a big creature with no drawbacks could exist in the game was just crazy (this was helped by my being pretty young at the time)Now the effect is totally gone: "look! enjoy our lame attempt to market nostalgia to you!"
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iccarus
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posted January 18, 2011 02:38 PM
  
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Originally posted by -Lunch_Box-:
This card will be a staple in every EDH deck that runs BlueConsecrated Sphinx
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Creature - Sphinx
Flying
Whenever an opponent draws a card, you may draw two cards.
4/6
Yeah, going to need to pick up a few. I wish it wasn't mythic though. __________________
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Heresy19
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posted January 18, 2011 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by joz:
Blightsteel Colossus.Broken.
INDEED! My head is spinning! Brainstorming for a new deck idea with Tez and this baby :P
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Myy
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posted January 18, 2011 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by airwalk:
I'm pretty annoyed though that they made a card that's pretty much strictly better than DSC.
yeah, I kinda feel the same way.
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joz
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posted January 18, 2011 03:29 PM
MBS 39 Card Review:
Veldaken Infuser - Not broken or overpowered.
Blightsteel Colossus - Broken.
Green Sun's Zenith - OP
Brass Squire - Not broken or overpowered.
Consecrated Sphinx - Slightly OP, but its expected for a "sphinx".
Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas - First, I pinged his name exactly a few months ago when his art was spoiled on MTGS; secondly. BROKEN.
Phyrexian Revoker - OP/Broken; probably going in 99% of legacy/vintage and their sideboards alongside Needle.
Leonin Relicguardian - JTN on a stick for artifact/enchantments. Good.
Fangren Marauder - OP; 5 life? Really?
Mirran Spy - Another infinate combo enabler.
Steel Sabatoge - Very good, Annul or artifact bounce/unsummon, very well balanced.
Phyresis - Oh look...Hit you once with Death's Shadow after I play Invisomancer with 3 or less life? Or just start a hand with two of these and a Persecutor...
Phyrexian Vatmother - balanced.
Phyrexian Hydra - Balanced.
Flensermite - Good.
Myr Welder - Combocombocombocombocombocombocombocombocombocombo.
Mirridian Corrupter - OP slightly.
Thrun, the Last Troll - broken POS.
Shimmer Myr - OP; going in every vintage deck from here to legacy and t2 artifact.
Rot Wolf - slighlty OP for a common.
Red Sun's Zenith - Better then fireball for single targets.
Mitotic Manipulation - Good blue rare; but not for draft.
Kuldutha Flamefeind - Good uncommon.
Bonehoard - Maybe a bit to powerfull...considering how fast creatures get into graveyards these days without Path around.
Silverskin Armor - slightly underpowered for an uncommon.
Melira's Keepers - 80% of drafters will practice with this, or agianst this. good card though.
Leonin Skyguard - good.
Phyrexian Rager - Excellent draft card is back.
Accorder Paladin - 3/1...and battlecry...slightly op for 2 mana.
Flayer Husk - Excellent design.
Priests of Norn - 1/4 vigilance infect...for white? 3 mana only? Slightly OP and out of color.
Razorfield Rhino - conditional 6/6 for 6, nothing special.
Septic Rats - Good rat card, I like it!
Spread the Sickness - ...Maybe a bit to strong.
Pierce Strider - I Love it!
Peace Strider - ...it sucks cause gaining 3 life isn't as good as forcing someone to lose 3 life.
Phyrexian Crusader - OP
Mirrian Crusader - OP OP.
Glissa, the Traitor - OP EDH general, OP draft card.
Hero of Bladehold - $20 white Vampire Nocturnus.
Thropter Assembly - Combo me!
Signal Pest - 1/1 for 1..with Battlecry and can't be blocked without flying/reach? LOL BROKEN.
Master's Call - Not bad, needs to be a high-end uncommon.
Plague Myr - ...Broke.
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ryan2754
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posted January 18, 2011 03:40 PM
Joz, you are clearly throwing around the word broken way too easily.__________________
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joz
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posted January 18, 2011 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by ryan2754:
Joz, you are clearly throwing around the word broken way too easily.
Clearly, power creep is broken.
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telmagic20
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posted January 18, 2011 03:49 PM
Chekout Blightsteel Colossusits like Dakrsteel Colossus but with infect!
[Edited 1 times, lastly by telmagic20 on January 18, 2011]
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joz
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posted January 18, 2011 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by telmagic20:
Chekout Blightsteel Colossusits like Dakrsteel Colossus but with infect!
You're like a 1/2 page late....
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gaeacradle
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posted January 18, 2011 03:54 PM
Geeze. I just reread the new Tezzeret. In a right deck, he can be quite good. Especially making a 5/5 creature to protect himself (not from burn of course).
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gcowhsu
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posted January 18, 2011 03:54 PM
The new colossus isn't "broken". It is on par with the darksteel one and being better is all conditional. If it was green then it would be on the broken side, but since it is not it is just another finisher artifact creature.I could see the forgemaster rising in value a little bit for standard play, but it is not better then progenitus.
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Bugger
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posted January 18, 2011 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by gcowhsu:
The new colossus isn't "broken". It is on par with the darksteel one and being better is all conditional. If it was green then it would be on the broken side, but since it is not it is just another finisher artifact creature.I could see the forgemaster rising in value a little bit for standard play, but it is not better then progenitus.
Progenitus takes 2 hits to kill, can't be boosted with equipment, and is not an artifact (and thus is not as easy to tutor/tutor into play). Also, the damage Progenitus deals to players is not impossible to replace or race. __________________
(Humans) are stubborn, self-destructive conformists. Any other view of our species is just self-congratulatory delusion. Next Question."
-- Michael Crichton, The Lost Worldstu55 noooooooooooooooooooooooo
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joz
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posted January 18, 2011 04:33 PM
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Originally posted by gcowhsu:
The new colossus isn't "broken". It is on par with the darksteel one and being better is all conditional. If it was green then it would be on the broken side, but since it is not it is just another finisher artifact creature.I could see the forgemaster rising in value a little bit for standard play, but it is not better then progenitus.
R u troll 2?
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gcowhsu
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posted January 18, 2011 04:35 PM
I don't know I think Natural Order or the new green creature card search would argue that artifacts are easier to find/play then green creatures. Is tinker better then natural order? I think they are about equal as one is banned/restricted while the other is free.You can block the colossus to reduce the poison count so they are all about 2 turn kills. I don't think that any deck that poisons a player before this guy comes out would even run this card. It is an all or nothing card. Either way i think it is worth investing in some forgemasters even if they don't climb at all. You can get them for .25
[Edited 1 times, lastly by gcowhsu on January 18, 2011]
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thror
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posted January 18, 2011 04:36 PM
When was the last time someone had a 10+ mana monster on the other side of the table? After they cast summoning trap. Guess what, at that point, any 12-15 mana monster kills you, and this one isn't any different.Not. Broken. Heck, eldrazi green (one of those summoning trap decks) probably wont even play it, because casting Emrakul is EASIER. New tinker target for vintage, all other formats, nothing to see here. __________________
"He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."[16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for?
[16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted [19:01] <nderEvo> you can delete yourself
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airwalk
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posted January 18, 2011 04:45 PM
It's obviously not broken. Only one person said it was and his analysis on what other cards were broken was laughable.
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joz
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posted January 18, 2011 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by thror:
When was the last time someone had a 10+ mana monster on the other side of the table? After they cast summoning trap. Guess what, at that point, any 12-15 mana monster kills you, and this one isn't any different.Not. Broken. Heck, eldrazi green (one of those summoning trap decks) probably wont even play it, because casting Emrakul is EASIER. New tinker target for vintage, all other formats, nothing to see here.
Provaginitus is in t2 still....hmmm...something smells fishy here.
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JTAubrey
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posted January 18, 2011 05:16 PM
Not even better than Myr Battlesphere in vintage, since it can be jaced. It's pretty much exactly the same as darksteel colossus in vintage in terms of relevance. Except maybe in elephant oath.
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thror
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posted January 18, 2011 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by joz:
Provaginitus is in t2 still....hmmm...something smells fishy here.
Who said anything about Progenitus? Why don't you take a week off to learn English, and then another one off to learn Magic, and come back as a more useful member? Newest uncommon limited Bomb:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=114316&d=1295396461 __________________
"He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."[16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for?
[16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted [19:01] <nderEvo> you can delete yourself
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oneofchaos
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posted January 18, 2011 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by ryan2754:
Joz, you are clearly throwing around the word broken way too easily.
Well if it's broken you should go fix it and tell us when you do.
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joz
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posted January 18, 2011 07:09 PM
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Originally posted by thror:
Who said anything about Progenitus? Why don't you take a week off to learn English, and then another one off to learn Magic, and come back as a more useful member?Newest uncommon limited Bomb:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=114316&d=1295396461
Sorry, didn't make my self clear there. I was hoping it was.
Cause its the only thing that can stand up to it...and even then...it still can't do it fully. How about:
Beloved Chaplain/Commander Eesha + Hero's Resolve! omg! fat-infector is blocked!
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Drexus
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posted January 19, 2011 12:34 AM
So with the wizard can you target the creature that cant have counters placed on it purely for the tap effect?
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caquaa
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posted January 19, 2011 04:14 AM
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Originally posted by Drexus:
So with the wizard can you target the creature that cant have counters placed on it purely for the tap effect?
all it cares about is "target creature". The tapping is no way linked to if the counter sticks or not. It would have to read something along the lines of, "Put a -1/-1 counter on target creature, if you do then tap or untap it." Clearly thats not the case
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Havoc Demon
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posted January 19, 2011 06:13 AM
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Originally posted by joz:
Priests of Norn - 1/4 vigilance infect...for white? 3 mana only? Slightly OP and out of color.
Overpowered in what, Beta Limited? It's a 1/4 vigilance... __________________
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caquaa
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posted January 19, 2011 06:21 AM
Seems fairly obvious hes just trolling or stupid. I'd recommend ignoring his posts and hope hes just trolling.card that interests me the most is Phyrexian Vatmother I think. Its essentially 8 power if it gets through. Gives you a clock on yourself, but one your opponent isn't likely utilizing any how. Not sure what friend he would have to have to get there. Maybe grave titan shuts him down too well? I've really only thought about him on the control level, I'm interested to see whats available for him to pair with out of the new stuff. Tezzeret is interesting since the -1 ability is permanent. It allows you to use things like spare ratchet bombs and everflowing chalice as threats. Is that good? Dunno, would have to test.
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