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Zakman86
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quote:
Originally posted by Myy:
has anyone noticed how Thrun, the last Troll is worded?

it says Thrun, the last troll can't be countered.

then is just says Regenerate Thrun.

would there be a special reason why they would just call him Thrun?>


Pretty sure that's normal, they print the full name the first time and then the shorthand after.

 
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I was adviced to keep this thing civil, so I will not be calling you names that you surely would deserve.

quote:
Originally posted by daner:

First off if it had an activation cost of 2 it would be a limited BOMB. Do you know how good millstone was in draft? This would be like Millstone on crack. Secondly, it's not the worst rare we've seen. In fact this set pretty much has rares that can all be used in some format or another. I don't know why your being such a whiney bitch? Like I said this set is pretty darn good for draft, EDH, and constructed. What the hell else do you want? Each rare seems like it can serve a purpose, there isn't Moonlace or some other form of garbag that will NEVER see play. Seriously, take a look again at the spoiler list....it's not a bad set at all, it's quite good.


First thing first, please learn to read before chastising anyone else. Never did I say that this set would be garbage. I was pointing out that I didn't understand why there are rares that would be playable yet still not be good even if they lowered the cost either the mana cost or activation cost. They do this every set and I was wondering if anyone had a good theory or knowledge of the situation. You clearly had no idea, but I guess you are very good at posting nothing.

quote:
Originally posted by daner:

Even at an activation cost of 4 this card can mill out your opponent in 5 turns(in sealed). So a card that he thinks sucks is a 5 turn clock win, and you don't need to attack. Not to mention it's a way to push through those extra poison counters if your infect deck runs out of gas...which happens often. He just doesn't know how to evaluate cards....or he got sand in his diaper. The card is fine.

Secondly, do an actual draft before "stating your opinion." OMG, a LIMITED BOMB! Wizards would never print those!!!! This is an artifact set, with artifact hate...lots of it. Has anyone dropped a baneslayer against you? Masticore? Behemoth sludge? Or even wall of reverence. There are a lot of cards that will win games by themselves, some in sets with very little answers to them.

In limited the web is not the worse thing in the world if it has synergy with the rest of your deck, even if the activation cost 2 it still wouldn't be a monster like what I listed above.

And I hate it when newbies call things x turn clocks and have no idea what they are talking about. If you have to spend 4 mana a turn for 5 turns activating the thing, you are not doing much else. So yes, if you get 5 activations, you have won, but if you can get away with activating it 5 times, your deck was in pretty good shape anyway or you opponent really sucks (which I think happens alot in your case).

quote:
Originally posted by daner:
Blow me out of the water for what? Calling you out? EVERY post I've seen of yours in this thread is you crying like a baby. BOO HOO some of the rares are bad....well golly jee, I'm sorry Wizards doesn't just make every rare as good as Tarmogoyf for you to play with.

Oh no! They keep making worse and worse sets, right? You sound like your lost...let me help you find your way home.

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/

^^ Go there, I'm sure someone will lend you a shoulder to cry on.


These salvation links are getting old, every time there's a disagreement somebody has to do it. The set overall has gotten much better since the days of Mercadian, if you want me to start telling you how great I think Tez 2.0 is and how I just pre-ordered green sun's zenith, you can send a request to my personal email, fc@kismiculo.vas2Hel



[Edited 2 times, lastly by fluffycow on January 23, 2011]

 
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Burn the Impure
1R
Instant
Burn the Impure deals 3 damage to target
creature. If that creature has infect, Burn the
Impure deals 3 damage to that creature's
controller.
 
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Contested Warzone seems like fun new card for group-hug EDH.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
Burn the Impure
1R
Instant
Burn the Impure deals 3 damage to target
creature. If that creature has infect, Burn the
Impure deals 3 damage to that creature's
controller.

That's a neat limited/sideboard card

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Why are there basic lands being printed in a mid-block set?

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quote:
Originally posted by fluffycow:
I was pointing out that I didn't understand why there are rares that would be playable yet still not be good even if they lowered the cost either the mana cost or activation cost.

It's not possible to make every card different and yet just as good as every other. As soon as you make one card stronger to "fix" it, you've essentially made X other cards weaker.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by evilempire22:
Why are there basic lands being printed in a mid-block set?

--Evil


Because all 20 of the first lands were Mirran. I assume these next 10 will show phyrexian influence on the land.

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quote:
Originally posted by evilempire22:
Why are there basic lands being printed in a mid-block set?

--Evil


Why not? It's pretty boring to get the same lands for three sets, so maybe they're going to have new lands for each set now. I'm definitely not against it.

Maybe that's where all the MPR money is going, lol.

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i think this set is actually kinda balance near overpowered. some of the cards are cutesy but they seem to have a power all there own. I personally thin thrul will not be that goo in draft nor in standard but give him time. The zeniths are all powerful in any enviroment. i have seen atleast 20 bombs in this set already. I disagree on the "crap" rares references i think every card is good in some way, even if its just good at ****ing me off.

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quote:
Originally posted by -PoX-:
It's not possible to make every card different and yet just as good as every other. As soon as you make one card stronger to "fix" it, you've essentially made X other cards weaker.

Ok, what ticked me off was when I misread the card distant memories. I thought I got to choose if I wanted to concentrate or diabolic tutor, and I thought to myself, wow that's really good, but the wording is a little funny. Then I read it again and it turned out that your opponent actually got to choose. So now the card is worse than both and worse than most commons. Would it have been that insane if the card gave you the option to choose rather than your opponent? I don't think it would really effect legacy, but it would be quite good in standard yet still not be ridiculous like other cards.

quote:
Originally posted by darius vitrosoo:
I disagree on the "crap" rares references i think every card is good in some way, even if its just good at ****ing me off.


No argument there.

 
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Since magic has become such a money game and only few top netdecks/archetypes available pretty much any rares not being used is "crap rare". in limited those rares could be great (like dragons, demons etc.) but i hear "crap rare" all the time here cause the people here all think competitive
 
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quote:
Originally posted by shaselai:
Since magic has become such a money game and only few top netdecks/archetypes available pretty much any rares not being used is "crap rare". in limited those rares could be great (like dragons, demons etc.) but i hear "crap rare" all the time here cause the people here all think competitive

A crap rare can go up quickly as well. See Prismatic Omen.

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quote:
Originally posted by fluffycow:
Would it have been that insane if the card gave you the option to choose rather than your opponent?

You only want to play 60 cards in your deck, so if you make that one good enough for constructed, you've most likely bumped down some other card that won't be in your deck.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by WeedIan:
A crap rare can go up quickly as well. See Prismatic Omen.


Check Knight Exemplar as well.

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on the topic of crap rares

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very imformative actually thankyou for that post it was very sightfull

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quote:
Originally posted by Bugger:
on the topic of crap rares


lol Lion's Eye Diamond is a terrible rare

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quote:
Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
lol Lion's Eye Diamond is a terrible rare


Yeah... I recently decided to invest in a playset, so that article infuriated me.

 
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Originally posted by GenghisTom:
Cryptoplasm {1}{U}{U}
Creature – Shapeshifter (Rare)
At the beginning of your upkeep, you may have Cryptoplasm become a copy of another target creature. If you do, Cryptoplasm gains this ability.
3/3


Update : Spoiled Incorrectly. Is only a 2/2.


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Massacre Wurm
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Creature-Wurm
When Massacre Wurm enters the battlefield,
creatures your opponents control get -2/-2 until
end of turn.
Whenever a creature an opponent controls is put
into a graveyard from the battlefield, that player
loses 2 life.
6/5
 
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quote:
Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
Massacre Wurm
3BBB
Creature-Wurm
When Massacre Wurm enters the battlefield,
creatures your opponents control get -2/-2 until
end of turn.
Whenever a creature an opponent controls is put
into a graveyard from the battlefield, that player
loses 2 life.
6/5


This guy seems fun!

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nice on one the wurm it comes into play and wins without attacking

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quote:
Originally posted by Bugger:
on the topic of crap rares


Very informative, thanks for the link

 
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this set is completely busted for limited
 

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