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Originally posted by Volcanon:
When is the promo mana crypt going to be released?
I want to get it.

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You and scores of EDH players.

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Everything but Garruk is for trade btw. lol.

I'm not looking to be a TO and sanction stuff, I just figured it would be easier than figuring out breaks on paper. We ran a 10-man last night and it took forever to figure out tie breakers.

Or should I just try to use reporter or WER?

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Originally posted by iccarus:
Does anyone know of a DCI Reporter-like program available to run events with? I just want something I can use to auto-pair drafts with friends and do tie breakers that is not overly complex.

I'm not looking to be a TO and sanction stuff, I just figured it would be easier than figuring out breaks on paper. We ran a 10-man last night and it took forever to figure out tie breakers.

Or should I just try to use reporter or WER?

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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
my LGS is having "magic celebration" on september 10th. anyone know what that is?

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Originally posted by eXtremeEagle:
I'm beginning to hate when people don't match their picture to what they're selling on auctions. Was refreshing, saw two Underground Seas, saw $140 buyout, then saw the title was for one of the two. =/

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Its called a scam and it works on people who don't read

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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
http://cgi.ebay.com/UNLIMITED-DUAL-LAND- SET-COLLECTION-MTG-X40-MAGIC-TUNDRA-/250855657676?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a682990cc

It's not an amazing collection or anything, but a full set of Unlimited duals is just nice, really nice.

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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
http://cgi.ebay.com/UNLIMITED-DUAL-LAND- SET-COLLECTION-MTG-X40-MAGIC-TUNDRA-/250855657676?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a682990cc

It's not an amazing collection or anything, but a full set of Unlimited duals is just nice, really nice.

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Originally posted by farsk8dutch:
After watching this for a while I was expecting it to end a bit higher. I remember a time I would've been all over this. It's a pain in the butt to put together play sets from trades these days.

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I have a playset of Unlimited duals and I love it! It took me the better part of a year on MOTL and the bay to put it together. It was a pain in the butt yet a fun quest to complete. Mine are not in nearly as nice shape but I too am surprised that the auction didn't end higher.

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Originally posted by airwalk:
So, is it wrong of me to want to throw Moxes into my EDH deck? I mean, Sol Ring and Mana Crypt are really more powerful than them anyway as far as acceleration goes.

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They banned, son.

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Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga:
They banned, son.

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I know that =p

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Originally posted by farsk8dutch:
After watching this for a while I was expecting it to end a bit higher. I remember a time I would've been all over this. It's a pain in the butt to put together play sets from trades these days.

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Originally posted by airwalk:
I know that =p

It just seems like there is no reason they should be banned while Crypt/Ring are around (other than to keep someone from making a vintage singleton combo deck in EDH I suppose, but who would do that).

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A major factor in them being banned while ring/crypt are not is the cost. Every deck would want the on-color moxen if they were legal, which would be crippling to a format aimed at casual play. Having five of the most expensive cards in the game set as a basic barrier to entry would be terrible. I know people would not "need" to have them, but just having 1-2 people in a metagame that do have them could throw things way out of balance.

Every deck already wants at least Sol Ring, which is now widely available. Using cost as an excuse not to own at least one of those is pointless now. It can be even more explosive than a mox, but this format is built on big and powerful plays.

Mana Crypt is up there in cost. It's still not even close to comparable to the cost of moxen though. It's also a more obscure card and I'd wager most newer casual players don't even know it exists.

8 rds, I didnt lose a game until the semi's where I got pounded 0-2.

I have T8'd 3 of the last 4 ptqs, but have yet to win one

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Originally posted by iccarus:
A major factor in them being banned while ring/crypt are not is the cost. Every deck would want the on-color moxen if they were legal, which would be crippling to a format aimed at casual play. Having five of the most expensive cards in the game set as a basic barrier to entry would be terrible. I know people would not "need" to have them, but just having 1-2 people in a metagame that do have them could throw things way out of balance.

Every deck already wants at least Sol Ring, which is now widely available. Using cost as an excuse not to own at least one of those is pointless now. It can be even more explosive than a mox, but this format is built on big and powerful plays.

Mana Crypt is up there in cost. It's still not even close to comparable to the cost of moxen though. It's also a more obscure card and I'd wager most newer casual players don't even know it exists.

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I thought about the cost arguement, but honestly, I see lots of people playing gold-bordered cards (Wasteland, etc) which might as well be sharpied basic land. They could just as easily proxy the moxes for all I care, I mean you don't own those other cards so why not go ahead and proxy yourself a Mox or two?

Also, the 'basic barrier' for EDH is already quite high, with Dual Lands, Mana Crypt, Fetchlands and powerful staples, once you start getting into those cards, you're pretty far away from 'casual' in terms of your collection. As long as the deck you make isn't a broken unfun combo how does the cost of your deck take away from the 'casual' appeal of the format?

I also have a hard time believing a few moxes would throw any metagame out of balance, they are hardly that game altering in a format of big explosive plays like you said, Gauntlet of Power is infinitly better than a single Mox.

I dunno, doesn't make sense to me, yeah they are expensive, Crypt and Sol Ring are still more powerful as far as acceleration goes, there are other cards from P3K that are insanely expensive that aren't banned, etc.

Mishra's Workshop and Bazaar aren't banned, correct? But LoA is? The price arguement doesn't hold up there. Workshop is as much as a Mox, probably more powerful too. Doesn't seem like much thought went into some of these selections.

EDIT: I found a thread explaining where they come up with this stuff, it's pretty funny

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"The moxen and black lotus are visible symbols of Vintage style play... people see them and assume they're necessary to be competitive in EDH. They aren't, really, but they APPEAR to be and that discourages new players from trying the format."

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If your playgroup allows proxies, that's all fine and good. My group frowns on proxies though, especially for cards worth more than $10 (unless you own a copy that's just in a different deck). Part of the draw to EDH is to be able to have a casual deck to pull out when you go to events and you can't expect everyone in a random pick-up game to be cool with proxies.

The examples you offer of cards that are pricey but allowed don't stick either. Duals, crypt, fetches...a mox is worth at least 5-6x what those go for. The term casual does not necessarily mean cheap. I don't play competitive anymore, but I still am willing to spend some cash on good cards that can be used in a variety of decks. I'd draw the line though at dropping a car payment on a mana rock. For some casual players I know who don't have a kid or mortgage payment, they would not have such reservations.

Stuff like Workshop, Bazaar, Moat and random money P3K cards...most of those are very narrow and are built around. You can't just put them in any EDH deck. If LoA or moxen were legal, most people would want to run them and suddenly you have an even bigger arms race going on.

Throwing a meta out of balance I admit is a weaker point. The real grounds for that is if you're gaming at the LGS and random n00b watching sees a table full of $300 cards, there's a good chance they're going to walk away with the perception that EDH is too rich for me to even think about and will not give it a try.

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Originally posted by airwalk:
It's a brilliant strategy really, convince everyone being an obnoxious tool is the way to trade creating a terrible environment where no one wants to trade, then make loads of money selling cards on your site as everyone gives up hopes of ever trading for anything.

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If your playgroup allows proxies, that's all fine and good. My group frowns on proxies though, especially for cards worth more than $10 (unless you own a copy that's just in a different deck). Part of the draw to EDH is to be able to have a casual deck to pull out when you go to events and you can't expect everyone in a random pick-up game to be cool with proxies.

The examples you offer of cards that are pricey but allowed don't stick either. Duals, crypt, fetches...a mox is worth at least 5-6x what those go for. The term casual does not necessarily mean cheap. I don't play competitive anymore, but I still am willing to spend some cash on good cards that can be used in a variety of decks. I'd draw the line though at dropping a car payment on a mana rock. For some casual players I know who don't have a kid or mortgage payment, they would not have such reservations.

Stuff like Workshop, Bazaar, Moat and random money P3K cards...most of those are very narrow and are built around. You can't just put them in any EDH deck. If LoA or moxen were legal, most people would want to run them and suddenly you have an even bigger arms race going on.

Throwing a meta out of balance I admit is a weaker point. The real grounds for that is if you're gaming at the LGS and random n00b watching sees a table full of $300 cards, there's a good chance they're going to walk away with the perception that EDH is too rich for me to even think about and will not give it a try.

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