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Topic: Post for Magic stuff part 57!
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MeddlingMage
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posted July 19, 2011 03:52 PM
        
6/6 Trampler is fun though and it does "thin" your deck (even though it's not construct) Grave Titan IMO is the best in draft.
But yeah, MC is great for you and not so much for them. Heck maybe you'll use it on the Primeval Titan you passed~MM Brought over from the other post.
Also, no one mentions Frost Titan in draft... __________________
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dwiz
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posted July 19, 2011 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
6/6 Trampler is fun though and it does "thin" your deck (even though it's not construct) Grave Titan IMO is the best in draft.
But yeah, MC is great for you and not so much for them. Heck maybe you'll use it on the Primeval Titan you passed~MM Brought over from the other post.
Also, no one mentions Frost Titan in draft...
Ever play against an Inferno Titan that hit the board in limited? You didn't win that game.
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caquaa
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posted July 19, 2011 04:34 PM
talking about rares in drafts is pointless because odds are you aren't playing with them. Mythics is even worse. Evaluating commons and uncommons makes more sense.
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joz
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posted July 19, 2011 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by dwiz:
Ever play against an Inferno Titan that hit the board in limited? You didn't win that game.
I did, but then again, I drafted Mind Control and played it! __________________
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Heresy19
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posted July 19, 2011 04:59 PM
ARRGG!Shandalar crashed after my opponent played a magical hack on my wood elves choosing ''island''.... there's no ''cancel'' button so I had to restart the game -_- P.S. Yes it's a hacked version with more cards :P
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AlmostGrown
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posted July 19, 2011 07:05 PM
why are people trying to value stoneforge mystics so low on here? i have yet to see any sellers on here, let alone any online stores sell them for that little. So why do they think they deserve to get it at $5 trade value? for example, look at the last post on my h/w thread.
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joz
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posted July 19, 2011 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
why are people trying to value stoneforge mystics so low on here? i have yet to see any sellers on here, let alone any online stores sell them for that little. So why do they think they deserve to get it at $5 trade value? for example, look at the last post on my h/w thread.
http://magiccards.info/query?q=stoneforge+mystic&v=card&s=cname but $5? its a little low, I agree.
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JoshSherman
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posted July 19, 2011 09:42 PM
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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
why are people trying to value stoneforge mystics so low on here?
No clue, especially when they're holding steady around $7.50. It's funny that the stupid War of Attrition deck is still "worth it" to buy, even though you'd have to be nuts t willingly play it at an FNM. __________________
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Havoc Demon
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posted July 19, 2011 10:10 PM
So what cards (if any) get taken over Fireball in a draft? I've passed it once for Primeval Titan since it was 30 at the time.__________________
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joz
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posted July 19, 2011 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by Havoc Demon:
So what cards (if any) get taken over Fireball in a draft? I've passed it once for Primeval Titan since it was 30 at the time.
I passed Fireball for a Shiv's Embrace, best choice I ever made in that draft...also, the only good choice. __________________
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thror
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posted July 19, 2011 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by Havoc Demon:
So what cards (if any) get taken over Fireball in a draft? I've passed it once for Primeval Titan since it was 30 at the time.
Assuming pack1 pick1, Mind control, Inferno/Grave titan, Garruk. could be more, but those certainly. __________________
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MasterWolf
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posted July 20, 2011 06:20 AM
Fireball is good, nay, great in Limited. But there are probably a good number of cards I take over it. I'd take any Planeswalker or Titan, Mind Control, and possibly Overrun over it. I'm sure there are some rares I'd take over it too, just can't think of any right now.
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Meddling Pimp
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posted July 20, 2011 06:34 AM
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Originally posted by JoshSherman:
No clue, especially when they're holding steady around $7.50. It's funny that the stupid War of Attrition deck is still "worth it" to buy, even though you'd have to be nuts t willingly play it at an FNM.
I watched a guy go undefeated in the swiss at a GPT with it, only to lose in the top 8. It was pretty crazy.
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stu55
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posted July 20, 2011 06:35 AM
I saw several people say that passing the Doom Blade and Serra for Jens puts the 2 people to your left in to those colors...um, no, cause you are feeding them for the rest of the pack and still cut them. Same with just sending the Serra and taking the Blade, just cut white from them.As for Mind Control, I would take over it:
All 4 titans except Primeval
Vengeful Pharaoh
Jace
Garruk
Flameblast Dragon The ones that would be close:
Druidic Satchel
Throne of Empires
Cemetery Reaper I need to play more with the last 3 to say for sure how good they are but I think they are, especially that Reaper
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MasterWolf
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posted July 20, 2011 06:43 AM
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Originally posted by stu55:
I saw several people say that passing the Doom Blade and Serra for Jens puts the 2 people to your left in to those colors...um, no, cause you are feeding them for the rest of the pack and still cut them. Same with just sending the Serra and taking the Blade, just cut white from them.As for Mind Control, I would take over it:
All 4 titans except Primeval
Vengeful Pharaoh
Jace
Garruk
Flameblast Dragon The ones that would be close:
Druidic Satchel
Throne of Empires
Cemetery Reaper I need to play more with the last 3 to say for sure how good they are but I think they are, especially that Reaper
Gideon?
Sorin?
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Devonin
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posted July 20, 2011 06:59 AM
Some places do Rare Draft at the end of the draft, so you don't actually end up keeping the rares you picked. In that case, Fireball goes even further up the pack one pick one list.
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stu55
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posted July 20, 2011 07:43 AM
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Originally posted by MasterWolf:
Gideon?
Sorin?
Gideon for sure, knew I forgot one, but not Sorin, I don't think his removal abilities are THAT strong, especially if they don't have anything with toughness <3
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I3Iood
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posted July 20, 2011 08:06 AM
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Originally posted by Havoc Demon:
So what cards (if any) get taken over Fireball in a draft? I've passed it once for Primeval Titan since it was 30 at the time.
I do not take mind control over fireball in m12. I believe red is possibly the top color to draft (need more drafts but 3 so far) and I believe blue is much worse then people think. In other formats I could see the arguement, but not m12.
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stu55
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posted July 20, 2011 08:31 AM
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Originally posted by I3Iood:
I do not take mind control over fireball in m12. I believe red is possibly the top color to draft (need more drafts but 3 so far) and I believe blue is much worse then people think. In other formats I could see the arguement, but not m12.
100% Mind Control over Fireball. I want to be blue. The flyers and Augury Adept are pretty convincing. The Adept is one of the best creatures in M11 and it got 100% better in M12 due to how fast the format is.
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MasterWolf
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posted July 20, 2011 08:42 AM
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Originally posted by I3Iood:
I do not take mind control over fireball in m12. I believe red is possibly the top color to draft (need more drafts but 3 so far) and I believe blue is much worse then people think. In other formats I could see the arguement, but not m12.
Once again, my questions are in the mold of a team draft, so it's different from just worrying about your own deck. Mind Control is such a beating in that it is both Removal AND generally a bomb that it has a larger impact on the game state than a Fireball does. And you don't want to have to play against it 3 times.
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hilikuS
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posted July 20, 2011 08:52 AM
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Originally posted by MasterWolf:
Once again, my questions are in the mold of a team draft, so it's different from just worrying about your own deck. Mind Control is such a beating in that it is both Removal AND generally a bomb that it has a larger impact on the game state than a Fireball does. And you don't want to have to play against it 3 times.
Fireball can also provide you with card advantage, which is something Mind Control really can't. I would agree that Fireball > Mind Control because it can be removed. There is a definite Enchantment subtheme in M12 draft, so you're probably going to see more people running enchantment hate, or at least consciously drafting things like Naturalize and Demistify because it comes in handy vs some matchups as a sideboard option. Possibly even a main-deck option. Mind Control is also more difficult to cast, and splash for than Fireball is. Don't get me wrong, Mind Control is a great card, and an uncommon bomb, but I like Fireball better.
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MasterWolf
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posted July 20, 2011 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by hilikuS:
Fireball can also provide you with card advantage, which is something Mind Control really can't. I would agree that Fireball > Mind Control because it can be removed. There is a definite Enchantment subtheme in M12 draft, so you're probably going to see more people running enchantment hate, or at least consciously drafting things like Naturalize and Demistify because it comes in handy vs some matchups as a sideboard option. Possibly even a main-deck option. Mind Control is also more difficult to cast, and splash for than Fireball is. Don't get me wrong, Mind Control is a great card, and an uncommon bomb, but I like Fireball better.
This must be why I keep getting passed Mind Controls and winning Drafts :-)
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thror
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posted July 20, 2011 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by hilikuS:
Fireball can also provide you with card advantage, which is something Mind Control really can't.
Actually, mind control is at least 2 for 1. You remove their best guy, and now have an additional guy. Sometimes its even more, because they either trade another guy/guys or a removal spell for their own dude. __________________
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hilikuS
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posted July 20, 2011 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by thror:
Actually, mind control is at least 2 for 1. You remove their best guy, and now have an additional guy. Sometimes its even more, because they either trade another guy/guys or a removal spell for their own dude.
That's true, didn't think of it that way.
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NiceFaceLOL
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posted July 20, 2011 10:12 AM
It's Mind Control over fireball and it's not even close. Also, I think red is the best color too, but fireball is much better in control decks that are splashing for it than in super agressive r/x bloodthirst decks, where half of the time it's a bad lava axe.
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