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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
@Goaswerfraiejen:
I never said nor claimed she did not deserve to win because of body type or sex; I said she did not deserve to place higher than me because she beat people who did the worst AND she got a bye. She and her boyfriend played FNM at the store I used to go to - when I first started, I wasn't that great, like many people who first start. So they berated me and teased me, and for a while I was ok with it because I thought it was in good humor. Except after 3 years one starts to get sick of it, and when it continues even after you've broken off all contact with them and they randomly see you one night at a draft, I'm going to be (hopefully) understandably ****ed that they're still trash talking me for no reason other than that I was bad when I first started playing magic. Not only would they berate me for being "bad" at magic, they would often question my sexuality (I'm straight btw) due to my lack of a girlfriend. This didn't help the fact that I had just transitioned from Middle school to High school and had multiple body image problems in 7th and 8th grade, and was bullied on top of that. I played Magic as a way to escape the school life and peer pressure, but of course it somehow found it's way into my personal, favorite hobby. I started playing Magic in 9th grade (Freshmen year of high school) and didn't have a real girlfriend until my Junior year, which was the same time I stopped going to that store, so of course they wouldn't know anything about that. I guess nobody here really knows all the intricacies of our interactions, so I understand your post and where you're coming from. I am not homophobic, racist, nor sexist but I understand that my post made it appear as if I were sexist. I do my best to treat everyone the same when I play and when I trade - what you are does not matter to me, it's who you are that counts. I also think that you read a little to much into the sexism and "stigma against the overweight" thing too. I'm not fat, but I'm not skinny either. My brother is fighting obesity due to depression, so I'm no stranger to the effects obesity has on the person and family involved. So believe me when I say that my previous post was out of anger and jealousy because of the way the tiebreakers were, not because I hate women or the obese.

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Let's be clear. This is the post I'm taking issue with:

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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
(I'm being serious and not trying to sound like a dick, but the truth is the truth)

But she's fat! And not even really that attractive! Whatever, at least I crushed her in the "for fun" games[...]

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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:

@Goaswerfraiejen:
I never said nor claimed she did not deserve to win because of body type or sex; I said she did not deserve to place higher than me because she beat people who did the worst AND she got a bye.

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The post I quoted makes a point of dismissing her because she is fat and purportedly unattractive. You make it very clear that her victory was undeserved (for the factors you've recited once again), but go the extra step of attacking her for her sex and body type. The implicit connection--whether you like it or not--is that fat or unattractive women shouldn't be playing (or at least winning) Magic. And even if I was to concede that there was no such implication (which I don't), it's still a horrifyingly sexist post.

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She and her boyfriend played FNM at the store I used to go to - when I first started, I wasn't that great, like many people who first start. So they berated me and teased me, and for a while I was ok with it because I thought it was in good humor. Except after 3 years one starts to get sick of it, and when it continues even after you've broken off all contact with them and they randomly see you one night at a draft, I'm going to be (hopefully) understandably ****ed that they're still trash talking me for no reason other than that I was bad when I first started playing magic. Not only would they berate me for being "bad" at magic, they would often question my sexuality (I'm straight btw) due to my lack of a girlfriend. This didn't help the fact that I had just transitioned from Middle school to High school and had multiple body image problems in 7th and 8th grade, and was bullied on top of that. I played Magic as a way to escape the school life and peer pressure, but of course it somehow found it's way into my personal, favorite hobby. I started playing Magic in 9th grade (Freshmen year of high school) and didn't have a real girlfriend until my Junior year, which was the same time I stopped going to that store, so of course they wouldn't know anything about that. I guess nobody here really knows all the intricacies of our interactions, so I understand your post and where you're coming from.

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None of that excuses the content of the post I quoted. It also does not make its content correct in any way.

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I am not homophobic, racist, nor sexist but I understand that my post made it appear as if I were sexist. I do my best to treat everyone the same when I play and when I trade - what you are does not matter to me, it's who you are that counts.

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This is not about you. It's about what you said.

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I also think that you read a little to much into the sexism and "stigma against the overweight" thing too. I'm not fat, but I'm not skinny either. My brother is fighting obesity due to depression, so I'm no stranger to the effects obesity has on the person and family involved. So believe me when I say that my previous post was out of anger and jealousy because of the way the tiebreakers were, not because I hate women or the obese.

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Again, I don't just believe your post was motivated by anger and jealousy--I know it. That neither excuses nor disarms its content, which is especially harmful in the public sphere--especially on a forum frequented by all kinds of people who fall into the categories that you derided. It's OK to be angry and upset. It's even more or less OK to lash out--that's a normal response. Just be aware of the attitudes that you evince when you're lashing out, and consider whether they're appropriate (especially if you're posting somewhere public).

Again, I don't have a problem with you or your character. I know nothing about you or your character, and I don't really care to. What I do care about--what has offended me--is the content of your post. It's not that you're somehow a bad person: it's that what you wrote was bad. So let's learn from the experience, and learn to be more reflective.

I do and say offensive things all the time. That does not mean that I am a racist, homophobe, sexist, ableist, etc. All it means is that I did or said something offensive. It's embarrassing when someone points it out to me, because it doesn't mesh with the kind of person that I think I am. Sometimes I resist for a while. But when I can acknowledge my mistake (as I think you have, to an extent), then I can check myself in the future, and I come one step closer to being the kind of person I want to be. That's why I took the time to point to your post.

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Originally posted by Myy:
Speaking of fat people... does anybody know what happened to the thread Malice put up some months ago?

It had something to do with teaching others how to eat healthier and do exercise. but I can't quite remember if anyone reached their goal or not. I hope so, and am really interested in knowing.

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I had to focus on my own goals of losing weight, and i found that the more energy i used to motivate other people, the harder i found it to keep myself motivated. Once I've reached my end goal, I will probably resurrect that thread, and people might actually pay a bit more attention after i've received results. Since putting that thread up, I've lost 42 lbs, and i'm aiming for another 8, dropping to 190.

On a more mtg related note, Caser225 did indeed reply to me, telling me i was crazy and that he was not interested in trading with me ever as Liliana's go for $42 regularly on MOTL. I was blown away by the idiocy of this because oath of druids go for 5.94 on motl. Either way, if he is offering me $32 worth of cards for a $60 card, or 23.76 for a 42 dollar card, he is delusional. Add into it his 0 refs and you have a winner.

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The whole "I am not responsible" clause has gotten way out of hand on this website.

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Why is this a problem? When you're buying cards you have the option to pay for whatever type of shipping you want on the cards. For trades everyone is paying their own end of shipping so it makes less sense, unless both parties agree not to hold the other responsible.

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Originally posted by Bagbokk:
AlmostGrown, I really don't see the problem with his post, especially not enough to ride his ass with paragraphs of telling him how he's wrong in what he said. Especially in the context of the post he was responding to.

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Originally posted by MasterWolf:
The whole "I am not responsible" clause has gotten way out of hand on this website.

LOL, $6 purchase requires $2.5 in shipping, but if I don't pay I'm "too cheap" and don't deserve protection. People hate responsibility on this site.

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I don't know if you're "TOO cheap," but you're pretty cheap and you know it.

I'm sure you would be asking for the same thing if you were on the selling end.

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Originally posted by choco man:
I don't know if you're "TOO cheap," but you're pretty cheap and you know it.

I'm sure you would be asking for the same thing if you were on the selling end.

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Originally posted by MasterWolf:
People hate responsibility on this site.

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I have big issue with this comment. I believe I am a good, responsible trader and do what is required of me for the deal to go smoothly, as well as giving myself the necessary protection. Just like I am protecting myself in a trader by sending with DC, I'm protecting myself as a seller by requiring the buyer to purchase DC or I'm not liable for lost mail.

Now, if we were trading and the deal is less than $10, I will not use DC and just eat the cost if anything happens. But in this instance, I CHOOSE to accept the risk. My choice remains the same if I decide to do a similar deal: send with DC or eat the cost. However, when it comes to selling, I have 2 different choices: 1) sell to people who don't want to release me from liability or 2) sell to people who release me from liability or purchase DC. I think it's pretty clear that the 2nd choice is the better one.

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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
I have big issue with this comment. I believe I am a good, responsible trader and do what is required of me for the deal to go smoothly, as well as giving myself the necessary protection. Just like I am protecting myself in a trader by sending with DC, I'm protecting myself as a seller by requiring the buyer to purchase DC or I'm not liable for lost mail.

Now, if we were trading and the deal is less than $10, I will not use DC and just eat the cost if anything happens. But in this instance, I CHOOSE to accept the risk. My choice remains the same if I decide to do a similar deal: send with DC or eat the cost. However, when it comes to selling, I have 2 different choices: 1) sell to people who don't want to release me from liability or 2) sell to people who release me from liability or purchase DC. I think it's pretty clear that the 2nd choice is the better one.

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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
And it's funny that you said people hate responsibility, since you are, to an extent, avoiding responsibility by not purchasing DC.

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Sarnarth'd!

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Originally posted by MasterWolf:
This is not supposed to be about you specifically. I mean, I hate taking responsibility too right. I mean, I'm not paying for a service to protect myself, thereby shirking responsibility. The problem is that people on this site have become so jaded by bad deals that the trust that was here in 2004 and before is gone. It feels like everyone wants to "medina" you in a trade or take "maximum" value or protection for themselves. It used to be if something got lost in the mail I knew for a fact it ACTUALLY got lost and I chalked it up to bad luck. Anyway, I rarely sell cards so its possible I just don't "understand". I just miss the "good old days". Now excuse me I need to take my meds and take a nap.

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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
(I'm being serious and not trying to sound like a dick, but the truth is the truth)

But she's fat! And not even really that attractive! Whatever, at least I crushed her in the "for fun" games we played after the prizes were given out.

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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
I'm not sore that I lost in round 3 - we played 3 good games and he deserved to win. I'm sore that someone who is terrible did better than me.

@Goaswerfraiejen:
I never said nor claimed she did not deserve to win because of body type or sex; I said she did not deserve to place higher than me because she beat people who did the worst AND she got a bye. She and her boyfriend played FNM at the store I used to go to - when I first started, I wasn't that great, like many people who first start. So they berated me and teased me, and for a while I was ok with it because I thought it was in good humor. Except after 3 years one starts to get sick of it, and when it continues even after you've broken off all contact with them and they randomly see you one night at a draft, I'm going to be (hopefully) understandably ****ed that they're still trash talking me for no reason other than that I was bad when I first started playing magic. Not only would they berate me for being "bad" at magic, they would often question my sexuality (I'm straight btw) due to my lack of a girlfriend. This didn't help the fact that I had just transitioned from Middle school to High school and had multiple body image problems in 7th and 8th grade, and was bullied on top of that. I played Magic as a way to escape the school life and peer pressure, but of course it somehow found it's way into my personal, favorite hobby. I started playing Magic in 9th grade (Freshmen year of high school) and didn't have a real girlfriend until my Junior year, which was the same time I stopped going to that store, so of course they wouldn't know anything about that. I guess nobody here really knows all the intricacies of our interactions, so I understand your post and where you're coming from. I am not homophobic, racist, nor sexist but I understand that my post made it appear as if I were sexist. I do my best to treat everyone the same when I play and when I trade - what you are does not matter to me, it's who you are that counts. I also think that you read a little to much into the sexism and "stigma against the overweight" thing too. I'm not fat, but I'm not skinny either. My brother is fighting obesity due to depression, so I'm no stranger to the effects obesity has on the person and family involved. So believe me when I say that my previous post was out of anger and jealousy because of the way the tiebreakers were, not because I hate women or the obese.

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Best Thread Ever!

Anyway, I don't understand how you can get bullied by an ugly fat chick, can't you just do something simple like give her a nickname like "miracle whip", nicknames like that catches on fast if you make an effort. Then every time her bf gives you crap just ask him if he feels like a vampire when he has sex with his food.
That's just off the top of my head, but I am sure you can craft thing better if you actually know the people.

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Originally posted by fluffycow:
Anyway, I don't understand how you can get bullied by an ugly fat chick, can't you just do something simple like give her a nickname like "miracle whip", nicknames like that catches on fast if you make an effort. Then every time her bf gives you crap just ask him if he feels like a vampire when he has sex with his food.
That's just off the top of my head, but I am sure you can craft thing better if you actually know the people.

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What a ****ing tool this posts makes you out to be

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Originally posted by dfitzg88:
in honesty, i'd rather lose to a fat unattractive girl than a cute skinny girl.

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Wouldn't you just rather win? Other than that, why does it make a difference? You think you have less of a chance to get into her pants if you lose, or something?

Newsflash: your chances were always zero.

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Originally posted by JoshSherman:
Wouldn't you just rather win? Other than that, why does it make a difference? You think you have less of a chance to get into her pants if you lose, or something?

Newsflash: your chances were always zero.

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Originally posted by iccarus:
lolz

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