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Topic: Dark Ascension Spoilers/Presumptions
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coasterdude84 Member
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posted January 11, 2012 06:29 AM
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quote: Originally posted by stu55:
Doesn't he just keep putting threats into play against control decks?
Yes, yes he does. I think Deadguy Ale just got a little stronger. I'll probably try him out in Rock as well.
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WeedIan Member
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posted January 11, 2012 08:04 AM
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He says Planeswalkers or Creatures.He seems pretty bonkers but not broken, the vampires don't have flying just lifelink __________________ Member Since 03/28/2001 11000+ posts 1st in posts in Ontario 13th in posts on MOTL Top 5 in Refs in Ontario (by people who location posted)
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posted January 11, 2012 08:06 AM
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I was hoping for a mono-black Sorin to snap include in my EDH but it looks like I have to wait a little while longer.__________________ Most References in Massachusetts 80th All-timeSupport my friend's store: http://www.tabletoparena.com
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posted January 11, 2012 08:12 AM
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Too bad Sorin is overpriced right now in pre-sales$50 don't think so but he does look like he could be quite bonkers. I would like to play him with Gideon. __________________ Member Since 03/28/2001 11000+ posts 1st in posts in Ontario 13th in posts on MOTL Top 5 in Refs in Ontario (by people who location posted)
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junichi Moderator
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posted January 11, 2012 10:09 AM
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The new Sorin does look awesome at first sight, but then you realized it is pretty average, or slightly above average at best.His first ability is great. It protects himself and forces your opponent to over extend to get rid of it. The second ability is similar to Ajani's. It is better if you are facing a control deck who tries to sweep the board every now and then, and worst if you are in an attrition war with an aggro deck where a boost in toughness would allow you to over power your opponent's creatures eventually. At the end, it is an okay ability that is pretty niche. His "ultimate" ability is game breaking, but just like other planeswalkers' ultimate, it needs to be left alone for 4 turns to use it. None of the previous multi-color planeswalkers fared too well, and this looks like it will follow the footsteps of Tezzeret, AoB. Sorin will probably be good in a niche token deck, but definitely not something that you would splash just to play it in any other deck. __________________ MOTL Fantasy NBA 2010 ChampionIf you don't like your job, you don't strike! You just go in every day, and do it really half assed. That's the American way. - Homer
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posted January 11, 2012 10:23 AM
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quote: Originally posted by junichi: The new Sorin does look awesome at first sight, but then you realized it is pretty average, or slightly above average at best.His first ability is great. It protects himself and forces your opponent to over extend to get rid of it. The second ability is similar to Ajani's. It is better if you are facing a control deck who tries to sweep the board every now and then, and worst if you are in an attrition war with an aggro deck where a boost in toughness would allow you to over power your opponent's creatures eventually. At the end, it is an okay ability that is pretty niche. His "ultimate" ability is game breaking, but just like other planeswalkers' ultimate, it needs to be left alone for 4 turns to use it. None of the previous multi-color planeswalkers fared too well, and this looks like it will follow the footsteps of Tezzeret, AoB. Sorin will probably be good in a niche token deck, but definitely not something that you would splash just to play it in any other deck.
If i was facing an aggro deck with him i'd just be dropping lifelink dudes in Front of whatever they are attacking with. Even if he can fog twice and gain you 2 life that is great vs an aggro deck. Giving your board +1/+0 permanently is nothing to scoff at __________________ Member Since 03/28/2001 11000+ posts 1st in posts in Ontario 13th in posts on MOTL Top 5 in Refs in Ontario (by people who location posted)
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posted January 11, 2012 10:31 AM
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I gotta agree with junichi here. He seems great in the right deck, but not at all busted (even in the right deck).It is what a mythic should be as well. Flashy, cool, and very good, but not a staple.
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posted January 11, 2012 10:33 AM
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junichi Moderator
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posted January 11, 2012 10:50 AM
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quote: Originally posted by WeedIan: If i was facing an aggro deck with him i'd just be dropping lifelink dudes in Front of whatever they are attacking with.Even if he can fog twice and gain you 2 life that is great vs an aggro deck. Giving your board +1/+0 permanently is nothing to scoff at
I would be pretty disappointed if I have to waste a card and my turn 4 just to fog twice and gain 2 life. To be honest, unless the deck could take advantage of the second ability, you are pretty much paying 4 mana for a 1/1 token generator with a chance to go nuts if your opponent can't do anything relevant for 4 turns. I would rank Sorin a tier below Elspeth, Knight-Errant.
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posted January 11, 2012 10:59 AM
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quote: Originally posted by junichi: I would be pretty disappointed if I have to waste a card and my turn 4 just to fog twice and gain 2 life. To be honest, unless the deck could take advantage of the second ability, you are pretty much paying 4 mana for a 1/1 token generator with a chance to go nuts if your opponent can't do anything relevant for 4 turns. I would rank Sorin a tier below Elspeth, Knight-Errant.
Moment's Peace was a card and a good card at that. Just because it doesn't always do bonkers things doesn't make it a bad card. And yes Sorin isn't as good as Elspeth considering she Giant Growths and gives a creature evasion until EOT. __________________ Member Since 03/28/2001 11000+ posts 1st in posts in Ontario 13th in posts on MOTL Top 5 in Refs in Ontario (by people who location posted)
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junichi Moderator
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posted January 11, 2012 11:09 AM
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quote: Originally posted by WeedIan: Moment's Peace was a card and a good card at that. Just because it doesn't always do bonkers things doesn't make it a bad card. And yes Sorin isn't as good as Elspeth considering she Giant Growths and gives a creature evasion until EOT.
quote: Originally posted by junichi: The new Sorin does look awesome at first sight, but then you realized it is pretty average, or slightly above average at best.
average =/= bad. __________________ MOTL Fantasy NBA 2010 ChampionIf you don't like your job, you don't strike! You just go in every day, and do it really half assed. That's the American way. - Homer
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posted January 11, 2012 11:48 AM
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There is a very nice card that is great against aggro, pretty much the same colors, and costs 4 mana...Day of Judgment. Sorin should probably be in an aggro deck so if you are losing to another aggro deck then you need to make your aggro deck better.
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posted January 11, 2012 01:48 PM
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Would the -2 ability be cumulative?Like have say 3 Emblems and have creatures get +3/+0? ~MM __________________ I am MeddlingMage...YOUR Motl Survivor 11 Champion, 2007 Captain N award winner, 2010 Marlboro award winner, and 2011 Champion Tournament Pick'em MOTL NCAA Bracket Challenge winner!CM Punk "OMG Kevin Nash WTF, thought he was dead, LOL" New keeper of the Logout button
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posted January 11, 2012 01:56 PM
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quote: Originally posted by MeddlingMage: Would the -2 ability be cumulative?Like have say 3 Emblems and have creatures get +3/+0? ~MM
Yes http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28674963/Emblems
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AlmostGrown Member
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posted January 11, 2012 02:13 PM
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quote: Originally posted by coasterdude84: Yes, yes he does. I think Deadguy Ale just got a little stronger. I'll probably try him out in Rock as well.
Not gonna lie, he seems terrible in Deadguy Ale (assuming Legacy). I'd rather just play Aether Vial so they can't counter anything.
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WeedIan Member
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posted January 11, 2012 02:57 PM
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quote: Originally posted by AlmostGrown: Not gonna lie, he seems terrible in Deadguy Ale (assuming Legacy). I'd rather just play Aether Vial so they can't counter anything.
Deadguy plays like 11 pieces of hand disruption main and you are worried about Counterspells? I don't see him played in deadguy though, Bitterblossom is much better. __________________ Member Since 03/28/2001 11000+ posts 1st in posts in Ontario 13th in posts on MOTL Top 5 in Refs in Ontario (by people who location posted)
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AlmostGrown Member
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posted January 11, 2012 03:14 PM
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quote: Originally posted by WeedIan: Deadguy plays like 11 pieces of hand disruption main and you are worried about Counterspells?I don't see him played in deadguy though, Bitterblossom is much better.
Well what would you play him over? I assumed Aether Vial. Granted, there are many different takes on Deadguy, but mine just so happens to be the 2-drop oriented Vial version ![](http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/wink.gif)
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WeedIan Member
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posted January 11, 2012 04:19 PM
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quote: Originally posted by AlmostGrown: Well what would you play him over? I assumed Aether Vial. Granted, there are many different takes on Deadguy, but mine just so happens to be the 2-drop oriented Vial version ![](http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/wink.gif)
And i don't play any vials in my build ![](http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/biggrin.gif) In any builds that play Elspeth i would play him on a 1 and 1 or a 2 Elspeth 1 him. __________________ Member Since 03/28/2001 11000+ posts 1st in posts in Ontario 13th in posts on MOTL Top 5 in Refs in Ontario (by people who location posted)
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daner Member
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posted January 11, 2012 06:29 PM
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New Sorin is good but it has one MAJOR problem....you can't cast it with islands.In reality, it does suffer from a few problems. 1. It's not a control card. Well, it can be, but there are strickly just better control planeswalkers in both of those colors. 2.It's not blue. Control decks aren't going to derail their manabases just to add this card into the mix. Wether it be U/W control....or U/B control that 3rd color really throws a money wrench in the plans. I'm not going to say that it isn't a good card, because it is. It's just not $50 good, and never will be. Karn Liberated was $50 once, and it's not only the center of one of the best decks now but it's also non-color committing. Still....it's a 2-3 of at most in a few decks. That is were I see this new Sorin. It's a best a 2-3 of in a few decks centered around other pieces probably. Maybe some new Rock variant. Or a new token deck as a 2-3 of at best. If you buy this card @ $50 thinking it's the new Jace, TMS you're nuts. If you get one I'd sell asap. Remember Liliana of the Veil? She was a solid $50 one she first came out, too. Now she has settled into the $22-25 range which is were I eventually see Sorin, if not worse.
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posted January 11, 2012 07:09 PM
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quote: Originally posted by daner: New Sorin is good but it has one MAJOR problem....you can't cast it with islands.In reality, it does suffer from a few problems. 1. It's not a control card. Well, it can be, but there are strickly just better control planeswalkers in both of those colors. 2.It's not blue. Control decks aren't going to derail their manabases just to add this card into the mix. Wether it be U/W control....or U/B control that 3rd color really throws a money wrench in the plans. I'm not going to say that it isn't a good card, because it is. It's just not $50 good, and never will be. Karn Liberated was $50 once, and it's not only the center of one of the best decks now but it's also non-color committing. Still....it's a 2-3 of at most in a few decks. That is were I see this new Sorin. It's a best a 2-3 of in a few decks centered around other pieces probably. Maybe some new Rock variant. Or a new token deck as a 2-3 of at best. If you buy this card @ $50 thinking it's the new Jace, TMS you're nuts. If you get one I'd sell asap. Remember Liliana of the Veil? She was a solid $50 one she first came out, too. Now she has settled into the $22-25 range which is were I eventually see Sorin, if not worse.
Do you even play magic?
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posted January 11, 2012 07:13 PM
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quote: Originally posted by daner:
2.It's not blue. Control decks aren't going to derail their manabases just to add this card into the mix. Wether it be U/W control....or U/B control that 3rd color really throws a money wrench in the plans.
Control cards don't have to be blue. Good cards don't have to be blue. Especially if you're talking about cards being legal in formats outside of Legacy/Vintage. Ppl take the "not blue" sentiment too far. Still, I don't think Sorin v2 will be Elspeth v1 expensive ($40) during type 2. Old Elspeth even destroys new Sorin 1on1. Gideon is a better control card than new Sorin.
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posted January 11, 2012 07:22 PM
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Everwolf 1rg Creature - Wolf Uncommon Intimidate Other Wolf and Werewolf creatures you control get +1/+1. Werewolf creatures you control that aren't Humans can't transform. Illus. Terese Nielsen #141/158 2/2Seems good flip a mayor drop this guy? __________________ Member Since 03/28/2001 11000+ posts 1st in posts in Ontario 13th in posts on MOTL Top 5 in Refs in Ontario (by people who location posted)
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posted January 11, 2012 09:10 PM
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Havengul Lich 3UB Creature-Zombie 1: You many cast target creature card from a graveyard this turn. When you cast that card this turn, Havengul Lich gains all activated abilities of that card until end of turn. 4/4Thorn of Amethyst on a stick
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posted January 11, 2012 10:47 PM
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quote: Originally posted by skizzikmonger: Havengul Lich 3UB Creature-Zombie 1: You many cast target creature card from a graveyard this turn. When you cast that card this turn, Havengul Lich gains all activated abilities of that card until end of turn. 4/4Thorn of Amethyst on a stick
I'm already working him into my U/B Heartless build...this guy is going to be so stupidly powerful it's not even funny. Heartless and the Lich on the board, with a Perilous Myr in the yard...as many shocks as you can afford for 1 mana. With 2 Heartless out a solemn becomes "1: Put a land into play tapped and draw a card." As many times as you can afford or desire. Wow! How in God's name did R&D not think to add an exile effect to this? Who cares...I need me a playset, like yesterday! My prediction is Heartless is going to shoot up in value solely due to this guy being printed.
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posted January 12, 2012 01:34 AM
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because heartless is terrible. That whole plan of yours falls apart if a heartless isn't in play... nice deck.
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