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Originally posted by stu55:

Doesn't he just keep putting threats into play against control decks?

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He seems pretty bonkers but not broken, the vampires don't have flying just lifelink

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$50 don't think so but he does look like he could be quite bonkers.

I would like to play him with Gideon.

His first ability is great. It protects himself and forces your opponent to over extend to get rid of it.

The second ability is similar to Ajani's. It is better if you are facing a control deck who tries to sweep the board every now and then, and worst if you are in an attrition war with an aggro deck where a boost in toughness would allow you to over power your opponent's creatures eventually. At the end, it is an okay ability that is pretty niche.

His "ultimate" ability is game breaking, but just like other planeswalkers' ultimate, it needs to be left alone for 4 turns to use it.

None of the previous multi-color planeswalkers fared too well, and this looks like it will follow the footsteps of Tezzeret, AoB. Sorin will probably be good in a niche token deck, but definitely not something that you would splash just to play it in any other deck.

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Originally posted by junichi:
The new Sorin does look awesome at first sight, but then you realized it is pretty average, or slightly above average at best.

His first ability is great. It protects himself and forces your opponent to over extend to get rid of it.

The second ability is similar to Ajani's. It is better if you are facing a control deck who tries to sweep the board every now and then, and worst if you are in an attrition war with an aggro deck where a boost in toughness would allow you to over power your opponent's creatures eventually. At the end, it is an okay ability that is pretty niche.

His "ultimate" ability is game breaking, but just like other planeswalkers' ultimate, it needs to be left alone for 4 turns to use it.

None of the previous multi-color planeswalkers fared too well, and this looks like it will follow the footsteps of Tezzeret, AoB. Sorin will probably be good in a niche token deck, but definitely not something that you would splash just to play it in any other deck.

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If i was facing an aggro deck with him i'd just be dropping lifelink dudes in Front of whatever they are attacking with.

Even if he can fog twice and gain you 2 life that is great vs an aggro deck.

Giving your board +1/+0 permanently is nothing to scoff at

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
If i was facing an aggro deck with him i'd just be dropping lifelink dudes in Front of whatever they are attacking with.

Even if he can fog twice and gain you 2 life that is great vs an aggro deck.

Giving your board +1/+0 permanently is nothing to scoff at

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I would be pretty disappointed if I have to waste a card and my turn 4 just to fog twice and gain 2 life. To be honest, unless the deck could take advantage of the second ability, you are pretty much paying 4 mana for a 1/1 token generator with a chance to go nuts if your opponent can't do anything relevant for 4 turns. I would rank Sorin a tier below Elspeth, Knight-Errant.

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I would be pretty disappointed if I have to waste a card and my turn 4 just to fog twice and gain 2 life. To be honest, unless the deck could take advantage of the second ability, you are pretty much paying 4 mana for a 1/1 token generator with a chance to go nuts if your opponent can't do anything relevant for 4 turns. I would rank Sorin a tier below Elspeth, Knight-Errant.

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Moment's Peace was a card and a good card at that. Just because it doesn't always do bonkers things doesn't make it a bad card. And yes Sorin isn't as good as Elspeth considering she Giant Growths and gives a creature evasion until EOT.

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
Moment's Peace was a card and a good card at that. Just because it doesn't always do bonkers things doesn't make it a bad card. And yes Sorin isn't as good as Elspeth considering she Giant Growths and gives a creature evasion until EOT.

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Originally posted by junichi:
The new Sorin does look awesome at first sight, but then you realized it is pretty average, or slightly above average at best.

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average =/= bad.

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Like have say 3 Emblems and have creatures get +3/+0?

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Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
Would the -2 ability be cumulative?

Like have say 3 Emblems and have creatures get +3/+0?

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Yes

http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28674963/Emblems

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Originally posted by coasterdude84:
Yes, yes he does. I think Deadguy Ale just got a little stronger. I'll probably try him out in Rock as well.

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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
Not gonna lie, he seems terrible in Deadguy Ale (assuming Legacy). I'd rather just play Aether Vial so they can't counter anything.

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Deadguy plays like 11 pieces of hand disruption main and you are worried about Counterspells?

I don't see him played in deadguy though, Bitterblossom is much better.

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Deadguy plays like 11 pieces of hand disruption main and you are worried about Counterspells?

I don't see him played in deadguy though, Bitterblossom is much better.

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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
Well what would you play him over? I assumed Aether Vial. Granted, there are many different takes on Deadguy, but mine just so happens to be the 2-drop oriented Vial version

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And i don't play any vials in my build

In any builds that play Elspeth i would play him on a 1 and 1 or a 2 Elspeth 1 him.

In reality, it does suffer from a few problems.

1. It's not a control card. Well, it can be, but there are strickly just better control planeswalkers in both of those colors.

2.It's not blue. Control decks aren't going to derail their manabases just to add this card into the mix. Wether it be U/W control....or U/B control that 3rd color really throws a money wrench in the plans.

I'm not going to say that it isn't a good card, because it is. It's just not $50 good, and never will be. Karn Liberated was $50 once, and it's not only the center of one of the best decks now but it's also non-color committing. Still....it's a 2-3 of at most in a few decks.

That is were I see this new Sorin. It's a best a 2-3 of in a few decks centered around other pieces probably. Maybe some new Rock variant. Or a new token deck as a 2-3 of at best.

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New Sorin is good but it has one MAJOR problem....you can't cast it with islands.

In reality, it does suffer from a few problems.

1. It's not a control card. Well, it can be, but there are strickly just better control planeswalkers in both of those colors.

2.It's not blue. Control decks aren't going to derail their manabases just to add this card into the mix. Wether it be U/W control....or U/B control that 3rd color really throws a money wrench in the plans.

I'm not going to say that it isn't a good card, because it is. It's just not $50 good, and never will be. Karn Liberated was $50 once, and it's not only the center of one of the best decks now but it's also non-color committing. Still....it's a 2-3 of at most in a few decks.

That is were I see this new Sorin. It's a best a 2-3 of in a few decks centered around other pieces probably. Maybe some new Rock variant. Or a new token deck as a 2-3 of at best.

If you buy this card @ $50 thinking it's the new Jace, TMS you're nuts. If you get one I'd sell asap. Remember Liliana of the Veil? She was a solid $50 one she first came out, too. Now she has settled into the $22-25 range which is were I eventually see Sorin, if not worse.

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Originally posted by daner:

2.It's not blue. Control decks aren't going to derail their manabases just to add this card into the mix. Wether it be U/W control....or U/B control that 3rd color really throws a money wrench in the plans.

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Control cards don't have to be blue. Good cards don't have to be blue. Especially if you're talking about cards being legal in formats outside of Legacy/Vintage. Ppl take the "not blue" sentiment too far.

Still, I don't think Sorin v2 will be Elspeth v1 expensive ($40) during type 2. Old Elspeth even destroys new Sorin 1on1. Gideon is a better control card than new Sorin.

Seems good flip a mayor drop this guy?

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
Havengul Lich
3UB
Creature-Zombie
1: You many cast target creature card from a
graveyard this turn. When you cast that card this
turn, Havengul Lich gains all activated abilities of
that card until end of turn.
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Thorn of Amethyst on a stick

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I'm already working him into my U/B Heartless build...this guy is going to be so stupidly powerful it's not even funny. Heartless and the Lich on the board, with a Perilous Myr in the yard...as many shocks as you can afford for 1 mana. With 2 Heartless out a solemn becomes "1: Put a land into play tapped and draw a card." As many times as you can afford or desire. Wow!

How in God's name did R&D not think to add an exile effect to this? Who cares...I need me a playset, like yesterday!

My prediction is Heartless is going to shoot up in value solely due to this guy being printed.