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Originally posted by Care4Cards:
Hum, I agree with the red independent thing but the Ooze is not inefficient if not 'enlarged' with +1+1, he's still a great blocker for most of what your opponents throws at you.

If cast early, he's a beast. If cast late, he can stale the game a bit until you set yourself up better.

Either way, he's serviceable.

What if you center your deck around strong defence/stalling, the ooze, days of judgment, etc. In standard, it hold up against most deck I believe and if you introduce a Sun Titan in the mix, you can find a way to cast the Ooze from your graveyard (this could be tasty)

No?

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Defence/Stalling is more for control, and I just don't see how a control deck could support a GGG creature while having enough mana of other color to stay in control. If G/W control is what you meant, then all you are doing is just creature control, and it will fail quite hard against other tier 1 decks that have multiple angle to win a game.

I would also be pretty upset if I have to pay GGG for just for a blocker.

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Originally posted by Goaswerfraiejen:
I agree it probably won't go up much beyond the 2-4 it's at now. That's fine. It's quite easy to cast, however; T1 Dual, Hierarch, T2 fetch + cast. Obviously, that depends on the format under discussion. But I could see it hanging around Legacy and increasing threat density while improving the late-game. It's a threat that needs to be answered, and quickly; that's good enough to justify a copy or two in at least some decks. Your opponent, after all, can only run so many StPs. I wouldn't run more than a couple, but I'm definitely going to be testing it out in a few decks.

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Unfortunately, I don't see any potential in Legacy either, because the amount of effort to get him out and the reward you receive is just not worth it. Other than STP, a bounce from Jace would also make the Ooze a sad puppy.

There are definitely a lot of better options at the 3 drops in a G/W deck that I would run before I would touch the Ooze.

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The Ooze has gimmick written all over it, but at the end of the day, it is just a Timmy card that is meant for casual deck type. The efficiency of the card is just a tier or two below what is available out there in all formats.
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So BW tokens returns I suppose...

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Originally posted by MagicPatty:
Lingering Souls Anyone?
That card seems nuts!

So BW tokens returns I suppose...

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I suppose. You now have Spirit, Human, Vampire and Soldier token makers.

Let's see..... Increasing Devotion, Gather the Townsfolk, Midnight Haunting, Lingering Souls, Sorin 2.0, Elspeth 2.0, Bloodline Keeper, Intangible Virture, Elesh Norn.

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Originally posted by daner:
Ways to deal with the deck.....Day of Judgement, Sever the Bloodline, Blasphemous Act, Elesh Norn.

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Indeed, but it reminds me of old B/W tokens in that each card demands a wrath effect. I cast Geist-honored Monk, you need to Wrath. I cast Lingering Souls, you need to Wrath. New Sorin, Elspeth, etc, but you need Wrath plus...

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Originally posted by rockondon:
so I guess the consensus is that the 2GGG Vorapede is a great card but the scavenger ooze is no good because it has GGG in its casting cost.

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Anyway, these are all moot because Thrun is just miles better than any of those two.

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Originally posted by gcowhsu:
Scavanging ooze needs a non commander reprint. It is such a good card especially in this block.

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After thought, it's better served in Legacy. It literally shuts decks down. I do agree that it would be very good right now in Standard as well.

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Originally posted by southparker2002:
Helvault
Legendary Artifact
1T: Exile target creature you control.
7T: Exile target creature you don't control.
When Helvault is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, return all cards exiled with it to the battlefield under their owners' control.

Can someone explain this card? It seems kinda dumb and pointless to me.

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It looks like a crappy card to me so far but it might be a hint that there is a more powerful card in the set that hasn't been revealed yet. Perhaps something like a new version of nevinyrral's disk or oblivion stone.

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Originally posted by stab107:
Sudden Disappearance is a pretty sweet design, very flavorful. Allows for a pretty effective alpha strike on a stalled board, I like it!

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
Havengul Runebinder
2UU
Creature - Human Wizard
2U, T, Exile a creature card from your graveyard:
Put a 2/2 black Zombie creature token onto the
battlefield, then put a +1/+1 counter on each
Zombie creature you control.
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This one is nasty, but, he's not a zombie himself which is problematic in a way, not really playable with Call of the graves.

But in a zombie/mill, can be fun if matched with the Undead Alchemist / Graveborn Titan / Zombie Infestation

All you need is some creature to spare or that are useful to be remove from the playing field.

Seems really good to be...as does..

Forge Devil
Creature-Devil, R, 1/1
When Forge Devil enters the battlefield it deals 1 to target creature and 1 to you.

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
Tragic Slip
Instant, B
Target creature gets -1/-1 until end of turn.
Morbid -- Target creature instead get's -13/-13 until end of turn.

Seems really good to be...as does..

Forge Devil
Creature-Devil, R, 1/1
When Forge Devil enters the battlefield it deals 1 to target creature and 1 to you.

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Originally posted by Speed Demon:
I heart both these cards.

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I know right, can't wait to get me some foils....loving DKA stuff for everything!!...

First set in awhile where I want common/uncommons to!

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Originally posted by mulder:
Is it me or is this one of the worst sets in recent history so far? Not a single amazing card, a load of overcosted crap, lousy overcosted mythics... . I'm hoping they will reveal some better cards later on because the way things are looking now, I'm not gonna buy a single thing from the set... ;

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It's you, set has loads of good cards, fun cards, flavorful cards....

and seriously this every set sucks is getting old...wish people would just shut up already...don't like it? Quit...don't want to quit STFU...really simple..

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
It's you, set has loads of good cards, fun cards, flavorful cards....

and seriously this every set sucks is getting old...wish people would just shut up already...don't like it? Quit...don't want to quit STFU...really simple..

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
It's you, set has loads of good cards, fun cards, flavorful cards....

and seriously this every set sucks is getting old...wish people would just shut up already...don't like it? Quit...don't want to quit STFU...really simple..

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Chill...

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