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Originally posted by caquaa:
because heartless is terrible. That whole plan of yours falls apart if a heartless isn't in play... nice deck.

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I don't know, call me a n00b or whatever, but that zombie is the card I am most excited for so far. He is just insane.

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Originally posted by Mr.C:
I don't know, call me a n00b or whatever, but that zombie is the card I am most excited for so far. He is just insane.

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Even though you can't cast it as an instant, it's still the coolest card spoiled thus far (IMO).

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Originally posted by Speed Demon:
Do you even play magic?

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Please enlighten me then on HOW you think this card is THAT good? Please. Beacuse every every control deck in every format already has a BETTER planeswalker. Please tell me how this card is going to be worth $50. Other than the fact it's in a short printed set.....I'd love to hear your explaination other than you just being a dick. Or do I assume you know everything? Are you on the pro tour? Do you have a magical crystal ball that can forsee the future? If so then tell me the powerball numbers, screw Magic.

If yo uwant to argue against me, atleast have an argument instead of being a schmuck. Or maybe you can just head right on back to salvation with all the other trash that floats onto these boards.

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Originally posted by choco man:
Control cards don't have to be blue. Good cards don't have to be blue. Especially if you're talking about cards being legal in formats outside of Legacy/Vintage. Ppl take the "not blue" sentiment too far.

Still, I don't think Sorin v2 will be Elspeth v1 expensive ($40) during type 2. Old Elspeth even destroys new Sorin 1on1. Gideon is a better control card than new Sorin.

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I agree....that is why the first part was basically a joke. Still, it really doesn't fit into the U/W control or U/B control all that well without messing with the mana, and frankly there are just better options in standard. In older formats Elspeth, Knight-Errant just outright trumps this card.

If you are a control deck when the hell is new Sorin's ultimate going ot EVER be relevant? If you have 3 targtes you've probably already lost. You are most likely going to build into a very unimpressive 1-2 at most. If 3 creatures are aout and attacking you you are probably losing alreeady, and god forbid 3 other planeswalkers are on the board, then you are probably WAY behind. It's a bad Elspeth with worse mana. In a control deck it's 2nd ability is all but useless. Again...it's a bad Elspeth. Limited Bomb, not impressive to me in constructed. I'd rather control the game with Liliana, Gedion, Karn, and Elspeth Tirel if I'm som sort of B/W....random control mess.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
because heartless is terrible. That whole plan of yours falls apart if a heartless isn't in play... nice deck.

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I'm already running a Heartless U/B Control deck that fires off with and without Heartless, that already features Perilous Myr. He'll be a nice secondary win condition in a deck that already supports him.

You're vastly underestimating Heartless Summoning...it's overwhelmingly powerful when built around, and there's tons of dig in Standard to be able to find it. This guy just makes it even better.

1st ability

By far it's best ability. +1 to loyalty, and it defends itself. Very nice. Everything you would want in a planeswalker. This is very much like the old Elspeth.

2nd ability

This ability is game changing in limited. In constructed you really need a heavy creature deck, or token generating deck for it to be effective. For starters Township tokens is not a good deck, let's not kid ourselves. Also, paying 4 mana for a bad Glorious Anthem seems bad. This also subtracts loyalty, so even after 2 +1 uses this still drags him back into bolt range.

Elspeth's 2nd ability was so obnoxious. Out of nowhere a Tarmogoyf(or any creature really) could just leap up and cold-**** you for 7+ damage. That was a + ability, Sorin's 2nd ability, to me, is irrelevant outside of limited. His 2nd ability puts him more of a aggro-type PW. Paying 4 mana for a 1/1 lifelink, or a bad Glorius anthem seems terrible. It's second ability also detracts from what some would consider his most important impact on the game...

3rd ability

If it goes off and destroies 3 targets that's wonderful. How often is this going to happen outside of limited? Destroy 3 creatures and or other PW's in constructed? When does this come up? Not only that but you have to play it and add to it's loyalty for at least 3 turns without it taking any damage. Vs the aggro deck they remove the blocker and probably just attack you. If you drop this on turn 4 and it gets to go off for the ultimate by turn 7 against aan aggro deck then the aggro deck has no business being in the game anyway. Against control it might go off and take out 1 other PW. Awesome....

Liliana of the Veil costs 1 less, and immediately impacts the board of game state with her first 2 abilities. Her ultimate is also more devastating as it gets lands. When she comes down she can change the course of a game instantly, Sorin can't.

Elspeth 1.0 has virtually the same 1st ability, but the second is good for both aggro and control decks. The aggro deck has an added punch and gives evasion, while in a control deck you can sit behind one creature and it becoms a MAJOR threat all the while building to an ultimate that actually matters.

Gideon's first 2 abilities are better for a control deck, and his ultimate gives you a threat that unless Sorin's ultimate goes off you simply can't stop.

Elspeth 2.0 seems better bc she craps out 3 guys right off the bat, if we are talking about a token deck.

In DeadGuy, Bitterblossom is just simply better.

Will he find a home? I don't know, maybe as a 2-3 of at most in a few decks. Does that sound like a $50 card to you?

And it's a $20-30 card.

Sorin could be the 4 slot in a control deck that wants to run Liliana in the 3 spot. So a turn two kill spell followed by Liliana, then Sorin seems solid. Sure, that's kinda visits magical christmas land, but that it exists might be the foundation for a deck.

Price? ...I could see him settling at 25.00

1. It will never be used as a 4 of, probably not even a 3 of.
2. There simply are better color combinations available to us right now. Without fetches, nobody in their right mind would destroy their manabase to splash a couple of sorins.
3. The abilities all "seem" good, but only one is really relevant in the deck that it wants to be played in, which is the plus ability.

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Originally posted by daner:
Stuff...

2nd ability...

...More stuff

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But how else am I going to make use of THIS.

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Originally posted by CubFan81:
But how else am I going to make use of THIS.

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THAT IS A BADASS PICTURE.

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
Vorapede
2GGG
Creature - Insect
Vigilance, trample
Undying
5/4

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Flayer of the Hatebound
5R
Creature - Devil
Undying
Whenever Flayer of the Hatebound or another creature enters the battlefield from your graveyard, that creature deals damage equal to its power to target creature or player.
4/2

Vault of the Archangel
Land
tap: Add 1 colorless to your mana pool
2BW, tap: Creatures you control gain deathtouch and lifelink until end of turn.

Wow, Vault of the archangel looks insanely good.

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Originally posted by B14ckM4g3:
Is it just me or does this set seem overpowered?

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I think its just you. Nothing has blown me away.

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Originally posted by B14ckM4g3:
Is it just me or does this set seem overpowered?

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Also, paying 4 mana for a bad Glorious Anthem seems bad.

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