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I imagine there is a cycle of two-color Lords coming since two are spoiled along with seven multicolored cards.

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Originally posted by Havoc Demon:
Honestly if they just spoiled garbage for the rest of the set I'd still be satisfied. This set already has a lot of cool stuff in it.

I imagine there is a cycle of two-color Lords coming since two are spoiled along with seven multicolored cards.

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I also think that just the previewed cards alone have delivered a lot and on many levels.

1. Ask cube enthusiasts, there were about 4 cube-considerables in the first week pretty much.
2. Ask the players who went "OOMMGG, SORIN!"
3. Ask eternal players, vintage players are even happy to get just one fringe card to consider playing in their 75. And they get a very worthy Grafdigger's Cage.
4. Ask EDH players, who seem to pretty much win out on every new set release these days. So new Mikaeus means I no longer have to put any effort into finding the VHTF foil Mephidross Vampire to combo with Triskelion. I was close to just buying the vamp.
5. Ask limited players, lots of build-arounds and stuff to strengthen present archtypes.
6. Same awesome flavor as Innistrad. I mean, "Zombie Apocalypse" was the first card they spoiled. A card that makes DFC cards stay SFC cards. A decently cool ooze.
7. For the cynics, they even gave poor little Green a pump spell in their cycle of "increasing" cards.

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
It's you, set has loads of good cards, fun cards, flavorful cards....

and seriously this every set sucks is getting old...wish people would just shut up already...don't like it? Quit...don't want to quit STFU...really simple..

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Havengul Fengraf
Land
T: Add 1 to your mana pool.
3, T, Sacrifice Havengul Fengraf:
Return target creature card from your
graveyard to your hand.

Diergraf Captain
1UB
Creature - Zombie Soldier
Deathtouch
Other Zombie creatures you control get +1/+1.
Whenever another Zombie you control dies,
target opponent loses 1 life.
2/2

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Originally posted by choco man:

Still keeping my hopes up for a Cabal Therapy reprint. If they don't reprint it in a flashback set, I don't know when they will.

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Sadly, I doubt they will. While "cabal" is a real world word, the title of the card is pretty set specific, referring to the Cabal from Odyssey/Onslaught blocks. Unless, of course, Innistrad has a cabal of bad dudes somewhere.

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Originally posted by mulder:
Tell me then, which cards do you expect to se a lot of play in a format such as Legacy then?

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Originally posted by coasterdude84:
EDIT:
I think we'll see a lot of Grafdigger's Cage. It stops so many things, it may even be played maindeck for a while to curb the high use of GSZ and Snappy.

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I disagree about the Cage. Imo, as far as graveyard hate goes, it does nothing that Tormod's Crypt or Relic of Progenitus doens't already do. And if your opponent is playing Natural Order or Zenith, is it really worth putting this in your deck from your SB? Meh, perhaps if he was playing both, but still... .

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Originally posted by mulder:
I disagree about the Cage. Imo, as far as graveyard hate goes, it does nothing that Tormod's Crypt or Relic of Progenitus doens't already do. And if your opponent is playing Natural Order or Zenith, is it really worth putting this in your deck from your SB? Meh, perhaps if he was playing both, but still... .

In any case, as far as Legacy and Vintage go, you can't deny that the cards spoiled so far are pretty weak. I won't argue that flavourwise they're nice, fun and inventive cards. Unfortunately I'm more of a tournament player :-).

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If you play ONLY legacy and vintage, I don't think you're the typical tournament player. New sets = most new stuff for the new formats. In fact, most of the "chaff" you'd find in the set is dedicated to maintaining a draft format. It's much harder to design a new limited format each block than it is to print the absurd stuff you're clamoring for like Mental Misstep, Snapcaster Mage, etc.

If you ask me, powerful cards like Mental Misstep really are much less interesting than the "pretty weak" stuff like Armored Skaab for instance. But I like limited and play it more often than Legacy. Powerful cards just bludgeon formats, ala Primeval Titan, and keep people from playing interesting and/or powerful stuff like Vengevine just because their not as powerful.

People in the eternal community have mostly tempered their expectations. Getting one card a set is big. Getting a card like SNAPCASTER MAGE should be more than enough for you to last an entire block of expectations for a "tournament player" like yourself :-). Grafdigger isn't Trinisphere huge. But at least it's something and better than nothing.

Innistrad = Snapcaster, Liliana
New Phyrexia = Mental Misstep, batterskull, dismember, Blightsteel Colossus, Gitaxian Probe
Mirrodin Besieged = GSZ, sword of feast and famine
Scars = Mox Opal, Nihil Spellbomb, Wurmcoil Engine, Myr Battlesphere

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Originally posted by hilikuS:
Havengul Fengraf is SCHWEET!

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Seems like the actual wording is random, instead of target.

If it is indeed random, then it is really meh, else it will be bonker with Sun Titan.

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Originally posted by mulder:
No need to be a jerk.
Tell me then, which cards do you expect to se a lot of play in a format such as Legacy then?

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Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1W
Legendary Creature - Human Soldier
First Strike
Noncreature spells cost more to cast.
2/1

Increasing Confusion
XU
Sorcery
Target player puts the top X cards of his or her library into his or her graveyard. If Increasing Confusion was cast from a graveyard, that player puts twice as many cards into his or her graveyard instead.
XU Flashback

Gravecrawler
B
Creature - Zombie
Gravecrawler can't block.
You may cast Gravecrawler from your graveyard as long as you control a Zombie.
2/1

Faithless Looting
R
Sorcery
Draw two cards, then discard two cards.
2R Flashback

Strangleroot Geist
GG
Creature - Spirit
Haste
Undying (When this creature dies, if it had no +1/+1 counters on it, return it to the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter on it.)
2/1

Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
2BW
Planeswalker - Sorin
+1: Put a 1/1 black Vampire creature token with lifelink onto the battlefield.
-2: You get an emblem with "Creatures you control get +1/+0."
-6: Destroy up to three target creatures and/or other planeswalkers. Return each card put into a graveyard this way to the battlefield under your control.
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Havengul Lich
3UB
Creature - Zombie Wizard
1:You many cast target creature card from a graveyard this turn. When you cast that card this turn, Havengul Lich gains all activated abilities of that card until end of turn.
4/4

This all has potential in Legacy, in either existing decks or new ones, I'm hoping at least a few of the of yet revealed off color flashbacks are playable to.

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Originally posted by daner:
People would bitch if they really did reprint Tarmogoyf bc it would be too powerful. Yet they wont stop bitching until they get cards like that again in newer sets. It's best to just not listen to them although I share your pain....it does test one's nerves.

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Originally posted by junichi:
Seems like the actual wording is random, instead of target.

If it is indeed random, then it is really meh, else it will be bonker with Sun Titan.

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Yeah, it must have changed from this morning. I swear I read the card and it said it was uncommon and "3 sac this: zombify".

Still pretty happy with it though. Very cool EDH land.

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Originally posted by rockondon:
Increasing Ambition 4B
Sorcery (R)
Search your library for a card and put that card into your hand. If Increasing Ambition was cast from a graveyard, instead search your library for two cards and put them into your hand. Then shuffle your library.
Flashback 7B

This card will find a home in one or two of my EDH decks.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
I find this card bad for EDH. Leads to too much consistency. EDH needs a little random to it so it stays fun. Playing the same game over and over feels too much like playing a bad legacy combo deck or something.

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If I have a Exploration/Burgeoning in play, I'll be searching for Horn of Greed
If I have a piece or two of Quillspike/Rite of Consumption/Devoted Druid, search for the other piece.
If I need nontargeted removal, Pernicious Deed or Plague Boiler (so underrated)
If I have a bunch of mana, search for my XGG/XG CC guys...

And yes, the randomness is what I like about EDH.
I am already sick of Standard, but I intend on building Werewolves are DKA comes out.

Love the new werewolves...

Him + Trik = Game over

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Originally posted by stab107:
Agreed. In my old Reaper King deck I ran Conflux for a while. Seemed like a great idea at first, who wouldn't want to tutor for 5 cards? By the third time I cast it I realized I was basically getting the same things every time, so I punted it. One of my favorite things about EDH is the feeling that every game is different. I have been moving away from tutors because they are usually used to get the same things. I like a different experience, not the same one each game. If I wanted that I would just play 60 card constructed casual with my buddies.

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Actually the thing that I find that makes EDH games mostly the same every time are not the tutors, but the ramp.

I think Increasing is just too expensive casting cost to be worth while. By the time you have that much mana, you could just cast awesome stuff from your hand than tutor for more awesome stuff.

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
I want the new Mikeaus for EDH.

Him + Trik = Game over

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Originally posted by caquaa:
I find this card bad for EDH. Leads to too much consistency. EDH needs a little random to it so it stays fun. Playing the same game over and over feels too much like playing a bad legacy combo deck or something.

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
Evolving Wilds! UGH! BOOO!

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