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JesusChristMD
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posted February 27, 2012 09:21 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for JesusChristMD Click Here to Email JesusChristMD Send a private message to JesusChristMD Click to send JesusChristMD an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
At no point was I trying to be nice to you.

The guy clearly didn't tell you the cards were as beat as they were, but you treated him the same way it appears you treat everyone who has any disagreement with you.

As for the "5 month" BTA, I see no other threads in the BTA forum about you. Enlighten me so I can read another case where I'm sure you did nothing wrong.

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Sovarius
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Bought some cards for my zombie edh. Mikaeus, gravecrawler, apocalypse, etc. They arrived this friday. Then later went to FNM and drafted INN/DKA. Pack one pick one, Mikaeus the Unhallowed. I ended up pulling Gravecrawler as well, got passed Unbreathing Horde and Seagraf Captain.

My deck:
Creatures 15:
Gravecrawler
2 Highborn Ghoul
Walking Corpse
Unbreathing Horde
Headless Skaab
Diregraf Captain
Wakedancer
Warden of the Wall
Makeshift Mauler
Galvanic Juggernaut
Tower Geist
Farbog Boneflinger
Geistcatcher's Rig
Mikaeus the Unhallowed

Spells 7:
2 Divination
Forbidden Alchemy
Reap the Seagraf
Griptide
Bone to Ash
Counterlash

Other 1:
Blazing Torch

Lands 18:
Haunted Fengraf
9 Swamp
8 Islands

 
gcowhsu
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posted February 27, 2012 10:02 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for gcowhsu Click Here to Email gcowhsu Click to send gcowhsu an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View gcowhsu's Trade Auction or SaleView gcowhsu's Trade Auction or Sale
quote:
Originally posted by JoshSherman:
Was this single elimination? If not, my understanding is that this is collusion, which is a really big no-no.

If that's not accurate, someone please set me straight.


This is Collusion for swiss I think, not single elimination. It messes up tie breakers for people who didn't get first or second. Sometimes 3 and 4 can be decided by who wins 1 or 2 based on the tiebreakers.

 
choco man
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quote:
Originally posted by JesusChristMD:
At no point was I trying to be nice to you.

The guy clearly didn't tell you the cards were as beat as they were, but you treated him the same way it appears you treat everyone who has any disagreement with you.

As for the "5 month" BTA, I see no other threads in the BTA forum about you. Enlighten me so I can read another case where I'm sure you did nothing wrong.


I made a typo and that's why I gave the guy extra money. Not b/c I failed to send a card. Did I do something wrong? Yes, but not something I felt as if I owed someone money. If a BTA rules that I owe money, fine. I won't say I made no mistakes. I will say that I sent everything that was paid for. There is no other BTA case, just that one from 5 months ago that you just brought up. You obviously keep track of BTA's against me, so look up more if there are any. If there is another one, lmk, it'd be news to me.

You must have read the emails and how I wanted to work out the disagreement with the OP without BTA being involved in the process. I was accused of fraud and threatened charges even though I felt that I was in the right. Yet, I end up being the one BTA'd. You must have nothing to say about that?

I asked why am I on BTA and you read over the deleted BTA thread, and have nothing to say about how I shouldn't have been BTA'd at all? If you think the way the OP treated the situation was better, it's easy to see why stu55 clowns you. I'm sure you think stu55 is rude to you b/c you have points that are easy to disagree with and stu55 makes good points in his posts about you.

Why would you point out how rude I was, if you're only intent is just to "at no point try to be nice to me?" Pot calling the kettle black? Point out exactly how I was rude in the course of explaining myself throughout the deleted BTA? As sarcastic as it sounds, I would like to be better. Just let me know how in that BTA I conducted myself poorly? I think it was a markedly better than how I handled myself when posting about Speed Demon.

I'm not going to deny that I pushed what I had against Speed Demon too far. It's the truth, I did. And at least when Jaz closed the thread, she mentioned it was my fault. Yeah, Speed Demon's views are ethnocentric. But I don't have to bash him for it.

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quote:
Originally posted by JoshSherman:
Was this single elimination? If not, my understanding is that this is collusion, which is a really big no-no.

If that's not accurate, someone please set me straight.


I don't think it's collusion if it's between 1st and 2nd. You might want to make sure on the rules thread, though.


[Edited 1 times, lastly by choco man on February 27, 2012]

 
dfitzg88
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posted February 27, 2012 11:15 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for dfitzg88 Click Here to Email dfitzg88 Send a private message to dfitzg88 Click to send dfitzg88 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View dfitzg88's Trade Auction or SaleView dfitzg88's Trade Auction or Sale
quote:
Originally posted by JoshSherman:
Was this single elimination? If not, my understanding is that this is collusion, which is a really big no-no.

If that's not accurate, someone please set me straight.


you can agree to split, assuming the prize structure would put you in 1st and 2nd even if you just called it a draw, but you can't bribe your opponent by saying 'i'll give you the win if you split the prizes with me.' you can also agree to split prizes equally and then play it out for PWP. you can't, however, wait and see how other matches play out before choosing which of you should win, if it would affect your prize payouts.

 
JesusChristMD
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posted February 27, 2012 11:45 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for JesusChristMD Click Here to Email JesusChristMD Send a private message to JesusChristMD Click to send JesusChristMD an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I'm not even going to bother quoting specific sentences and things you said to prove my point, but man you sure flip-flop from sentence to sentence.

As for Stu, the only problem I have with the situation is he was allowed to go way farther than I ever did yet we both got the same punishment. But as you can see, we are not allowed to do it to each other anymore though every so often he tries to get a jab in.

I'm done.

Edit: Speed Demon's clear view of asian cultures being better than anglo culture is quite obvious. I'm glad someone else noticed that.

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[Edited 1 times, lastly by JesusChristMD on February 27, 2012]

 
drizzt_2004
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posted February 27, 2012 04:56 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for drizzt_2004 Click Here to Email drizzt_2004 Send a private message to drizzt_2004 Click to send drizzt_2004 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Our local game store charged $5 entry for gameday, then they split up the entry fees for store credit. So we had 18 people so we did 5 rounds and cut to top 4. So when it was down to the 2 of us we decided to split the store credit down the middle as well as the mat. I think this is legit, but if not I would like to know about it.
 
gcowhsu
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quote:
Originally posted by drizzt_2004:
Our local game store charged $5 entry for gameday, then they split up the entry fees for store credit. So we had 18 people so we did 5 rounds and cut to top 4. So when it was down to the 2 of us we decided to split the store credit down the middle as well as the mat. I think this is legit, but if not I would like to know about it.

That doesn't matter. It matters before you did the top 4 and the top 2 decide to split since it didn't matter and they both would make it. Then the tiebreakers for 3-6 are important to see who goes in as 3 and 4.

 
dfitzg88
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posted February 27, 2012 05:41 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for dfitzg88 Click Here to Email dfitzg88 Send a private message to dfitzg88 Click to send dfitzg88 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View dfitzg88's Trade Auction or SaleView dfitzg88's Trade Auction or Sale
quote:
Originally posted by drizzt_2004:
Our local game store charged $5 entry for gameday, then they split up the entry fees for store credit. So we had 18 people so we did 5 rounds and cut to top 4. So when it was down to the 2 of us we decided to split the store credit down the middle as well as the mat. I think this is legit, but if not I would like to know about it.

i wouldn't recommend splitting a playmat down the middle.

 
stu55
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posted February 27, 2012 06:37 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for stu55 Click Here to Email stu55 Send a private message to stu55 Click to send stu55 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by JesusChristMD:
I'm not even going to bother quoting specific sentences and things you said to prove my point, but man you sure flip-flop from sentence to sentence.

As for Stu, the only problem I have with the situation is he was allowed to go way farther than I ever did yet we both got the same punishment. But as you can see, we are not allowed to do it to each other anymore though every so often he tries to get a jab in.

I'm done.

Edit: Speed Demon's clear view of asian cultures being better than anglo culture is quite obvious. I'm glad someone else noticed that.



oh boo hoo, grow up


Anywho, who is going to Indy in 2 weeks?

 
hilikuS
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posted February 27, 2012 08:19 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for hilikuS Click Here to Email hilikuS Send a private message to hilikuS Click to send hilikuS an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View hilikuS's Trade Auction or SaleView hilikuS's Trade Auction or Sale
quote:
Originally posted by dfitzg88:
i wouldn't recommend splitting a playmat down the middle.

LOL yeah I was wondering what happened there too.

 
caquaa
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posted February 27, 2012 08:23 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for caquaa Click Here to Email caquaa Send a private message to caquaa Click to send caquaa an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View caquaa's Trade Auction or SaleView caquaa's Trade Auction or Sale
quote:
Originally posted by hilikuS:
LOL yeah I was wondering what happened there too.


maybe some people think alike?

quote:
Originally posted by drizzt_2004:
So decided to split first and second place prizes at gameday today. But what to do with the playmat? Simple we cut the thing in half, the other people in the store were not impressed. At least it will make a nice mouse pad

I'm not sure why people would do that. There are a few out there that have gone nuts for this mat from what I've heard. One store locally the guy that won said someone offered him $~100 in trade for it, lol. I'd just offer the other person ~$10-20 cash and then trade the thing asap to double up.

 
JesusChristMD
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posted February 27, 2012 10:09 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for JesusChristMD Click Here to Email JesusChristMD Send a private message to JesusChristMD Click to send JesusChristMD an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by stu55:

oh boo hoo, grow up


As expected.

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I3Iood
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posted February 27, 2012 10:15 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for I3Iood Click Here to Email I3Iood Send a private message to I3Iood Click to send I3Iood an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by stu55:
Anywho, who is going to Indy in 2 weeks?

Does anyone know who the artists there will be? Thanks in advance. Jason

 
Thanos
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posted February 27, 2012 10:23 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Thanos Click Here to Email Thanos Send a private message to Thanos Click to send Thanos an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by I3Iood:
Does anyone know who the artists there will be? Thanks in advance. Jason

Argyle is the only one confirmed so far.

 
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posted February 28, 2012 11:37 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for TimeBeing Click Here to Email TimeBeing Send a private message to TimeBeing Click to send TimeBeing an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by dfitzg88:
you can agree to split, assuming the prize structure would put you in 1st and 2nd even if you just called it a draw, but you can't bribe your opponent by saying 'i'll give you the win if you split the prizes with me.' you can also agree to split prizes equally and then play it out for PWP. you can't, however, wait and see how other matches play out before choosing which of you should win, if it would affect your prize payouts.

This is a dicey area. Doesn't matter if it's for 1 or 2. That only applies in single elimination.

You can always agree to a prize split with someone. And you can always agree to draw with someone. But you can't offer anything at all for the split, even a draw. Yes this happens all the time at stores and it tends not to be strictly enforced. Since you can say "do you want to split prizes? Yes" then ask do you "want to draw? yes"
You can't say "Do you want to draw and split prizes"

Also if your play it out the loser isn't guaranteed second.


 
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posted February 28, 2012 04:56 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for EuroRunner Click Here to Email EuroRunner Send a private message to EuroRunner Click to send EuroRunner an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I'll be there in Indy. Anyone have an updated zoo list they can link me too?
 
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The thing about prize splitting is at local stores its mostly acceptable to split because its the friendly thing to do but likely the wording people use locally would get you DQ'd at a big event.

I know of a guy who had someone do this

Opponent "How about the winner gives the loser a pack?"

Guy "You mean a Prize split?"

Opponent "Judge!"

Guy gets game loss for collusion

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Lord Crovax
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posted February 28, 2012 05:30 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Lord Crovax Click Here to Email Lord Crovax Send a private message to Lord Crovax Click to send Lord Crovax an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by WeedIan:
The thing about prize splitting is at local stores its mostly acceptable to split because its the friendly thing to do but likely the wording people use locally would get you DQ'd at a big event.

I know of a guy who had someone do this

Opponent "How about the winner gives the loser a pack?"

Guy "You mean a Prize split?"

Opponent "Judge!"

Guy gets game loss for collusion


wow....that really worked? either one guy had a lot of people to back him up or something cause that just sounds wrong....stupid baiting..

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Thanos
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posted February 28, 2012 06:07 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Thanos Click Here to Email Thanos Send a private message to Thanos Click to send Thanos an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by WeedIan:
The thing about prize splitting is at local stores its mostly acceptable to split because its the friendly thing to do but likely the wording people use locally would get you DQ'd at a big event.

I know of a guy who had someone do this

Opponent "How about the winner gives the loser a pack?"

Guy "You mean a Prize split?"

Opponent "Judge!"

Guy gets game loss for collusion


Sounds like a fight in my neighborhood.

Edit for iphone changes... : /

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Thanos on February 28, 2012]

 
wayne
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I find the DKA DKA DKA drafts quite fun, anyone else feel the same?
 
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posted February 28, 2012 09:33 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Lord Crovax Click Here to Email Lord Crovax Send a private message to Lord Crovax Click to send Lord Crovax an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
So...FTV: Lands......let the disappointment commence...

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quote:
Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
So...FTV: Lands......let the disappointment commence...


If it include Maze of Ith might be worthwhile. And my guess is that artwork is for Glacial Chasm.

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/918

[Edited 1 times, lastly by JackSpade on February 28, 2012]

 
wayne
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quote:
Originally posted by JackSpade:
If it include Maze of Ith might be worthwhile. And my guess is that artwork is for Glacial Chasm.

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/918



There is a foil Maze already, maybe foils of the set of Legends lands?

 
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posted February 29, 2012 12:24 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for SageShadows Click Here to Email SageShadows Send a private message to SageShadows Click to send SageShadows an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Maybe it's a new policy of not insanely over MRSP FTV's?
 

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