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Topic: Post for Magic Stuff Part 67!
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JesusChristMD Member
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posted February 27, 2012 09:21 AM

At no point was I trying to be nice to you.The guy clearly didn't tell you the cards were as beat as they were, but you treated him the same way it appears you treat everyone who has any disagreement with you. As for the "5 month" BTA, I see no other threads in the BTA forum about you. Enlighten me so I can read another case where I'm sure you did nothing wrong. __________________ Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore"
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Sovarius Member
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posted February 27, 2012 09:28 AM
  
Bought some cards for my zombie edh. Mikaeus, gravecrawler, apocalypse, etc. They arrived this friday. Then later went to FNM and drafted INN/DKA. Pack one pick one, Mikaeus the Unhallowed. I ended up pulling Gravecrawler as well, got passed Unbreathing Horde and Seagraf Captain.My deck: Creatures 15: Gravecrawler 2 Highborn Ghoul Walking Corpse Unbreathing Horde Headless Skaab Diregraf Captain Wakedancer Warden of the Wall Makeshift Mauler Galvanic Juggernaut Tower Geist Farbog Boneflinger Geistcatcher's Rig Mikaeus the Unhallowed Spells 7: 2 Divination Forbidden Alchemy Reap the Seagraf Griptide Bone to Ash Counterlash Other 1: Blazing Torch Lands 18: Haunted Fengraf 9 Swamp 8 Islands
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gcowhsu Member
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posted February 27, 2012 10:02 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by JoshSherman: Was this single elimination? If not, my understanding is that this is collusion, which is a really big no-no.If that's not accurate, someone please set me straight.
This is Collusion for swiss I think, not single elimination. It messes up tie breakers for people who didn't get first or second. Sometimes 3 and 4 can be decided by who wins 1 or 2 based on the tiebreakers.
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choco man Member
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posted February 27, 2012 10:16 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by JesusChristMD: At no point was I trying to be nice to you.The guy clearly didn't tell you the cards were as beat as they were, but you treated him the same way it appears you treat everyone who has any disagreement with you. As for the "5 month" BTA, I see no other threads in the BTA forum about you. Enlighten me so I can read another case where I'm sure you did nothing wrong.
I made a typo and that's why I gave the guy extra money. Not b/c I failed to send a card. Did I do something wrong? Yes, but not something I felt as if I owed someone money. If a BTA rules that I owe money, fine. I won't say I made no mistakes. I will say that I sent everything that was paid for. There is no other BTA case, just that one from 5 months ago that you just brought up. You obviously keep track of BTA's against me, so look up more if there are any. If there is another one, lmk, it'd be news to me. You must have read the emails and how I wanted to work out the disagreement with the OP without BTA being involved in the process. I was accused of fraud and threatened charges even though I felt that I was in the right. Yet, I end up being the one BTA'd. You must have nothing to say about that? I asked why am I on BTA and you read over the deleted BTA thread, and have nothing to say about how I shouldn't have been BTA'd at all? If you think the way the OP treated the situation was better, it's easy to see why stu55 clowns you. I'm sure you think stu55 is rude to you b/c you have points that are easy to disagree with and stu55 makes good points in his posts about you. Why would you point out how rude I was, if you're only intent is just to "at no point try to be nice to me?" Pot calling the kettle black? Point out exactly how I was rude in the course of explaining myself throughout the deleted BTA? As sarcastic as it sounds, I would like to be better. Just let me know how in that BTA I conducted myself poorly? I think it was a markedly better than how I handled myself when posting about Speed Demon. I'm not going to deny that I pushed what I had against Speed Demon too far. It's the truth, I did. And at least when Jaz closed the thread, she mentioned it was my fault. Yeah, Speed Demon's views are ethnocentric. But I don't have to bash him for it. ADD:
quote: Originally posted by JoshSherman: Was this single elimination? If not, my understanding is that this is collusion, which is a really big no-no.If that's not accurate, someone please set me straight.
I don't think it's collusion if it's between 1st and 2nd. You might want to make sure on the rules thread, though.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by choco man on February 27, 2012]
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dfitzg88 Member
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posted February 27, 2012 11:15 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by JoshSherman: Was this single elimination? If not, my understanding is that this is collusion, which is a really big no-no.If that's not accurate, someone please set me straight.
you can agree to split, assuming the prize structure would put you in 1st and 2nd even if you just called it a draw, but you can't bribe your opponent by saying 'i'll give you the win if you split the prizes with me.' you can also agree to split prizes equally and then play it out for PWP. you can't, however, wait and see how other matches play out before choosing which of you should win, if it would affect your prize payouts.
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JesusChristMD Member
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posted February 27, 2012 11:45 AM

I'm not even going to bother quoting specific sentences and things you said to prove my point, but man you sure flip-flop from sentence to sentence.As for Stu, the only problem I have with the situation is he was allowed to go way farther than I ever did yet we both got the same punishment. But as you can see, we are not allowed to do it to each other anymore though every so often he tries to get a jab in. I'm done. Edit: Speed Demon's clear view of asian cultures being better than anglo culture is quite obvious. I'm glad someone else noticed that. __________________ Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore"
[Edited 1 times, lastly by JesusChristMD on February 27, 2012]
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drizzt_2004 Member
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posted February 27, 2012 04:56 PM

Our local game store charged $5 entry for gameday, then they split up the entry fees for store credit. So we had 18 people so we did 5 rounds and cut to top 4. So when it was down to the 2 of us we decided to split the store credit down the middle as well as the mat. I think this is legit, but if not I would like to know about it.
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gcowhsu Member
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posted February 27, 2012 05:34 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by drizzt_2004: Our local game store charged $5 entry for gameday, then they split up the entry fees for store credit. So we had 18 people so we did 5 rounds and cut to top 4. So when it was down to the 2 of us we decided to split the store credit down the middle as well as the mat. I think this is legit, but if not I would like to know about it.
That doesn't matter. It matters before you did the top 4 and the top 2 decide to split since it didn't matter and they both would make it. Then the tiebreakers for 3-6 are important to see who goes in as 3 and 4.
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dfitzg88 Member
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posted February 27, 2012 05:41 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by drizzt_2004: Our local game store charged $5 entry for gameday, then they split up the entry fees for store credit. So we had 18 people so we did 5 rounds and cut to top 4. So when it was down to the 2 of us we decided to split the store credit down the middle as well as the mat. I think this is legit, but if not I would like to know about it.
i wouldn't recommend splitting a playmat down the middle.
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stu55 Member
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posted February 27, 2012 06:37 PM

quote: Originally posted by JesusChristMD: I'm not even going to bother quoting specific sentences and things you said to prove my point, but man you sure flip-flop from sentence to sentence.As for Stu, the only problem I have with the situation is he was allowed to go way farther than I ever did yet we both got the same punishment. But as you can see, we are not allowed to do it to each other anymore though every so often he tries to get a jab in. I'm done. Edit: Speed Demon's clear view of asian cultures being better than anglo culture is quite obvious. I'm glad someone else noticed that.
oh boo hoo, grow up
Anywho, who is going to Indy in 2 weeks?
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hilikuS Member
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posted February 27, 2012 08:19 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by dfitzg88: i wouldn't recommend splitting a playmat down the middle.
LOL yeah I was wondering what happened there too.
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caquaa Member
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posted February 27, 2012 08:23 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by hilikuS: LOL yeah I was wondering what happened there too.
maybe some people think alike? quote: Originally posted by drizzt_2004: So decided to split first and second place prizes at gameday today. But what to do with the playmat? Simple we cut the thing in half, the other people in the store were not impressed. At least it will make a nice mouse pad 
I'm not sure why people would do that. There are a few out there that have gone nuts for this mat from what I've heard. One store locally the guy that won said someone offered him $~100 in trade for it, lol. I'd just offer the other person ~$10-20 cash and then trade the thing asap to double up.
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JesusChristMD Member
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posted February 27, 2012 10:09 PM

quote: Originally posted by stu55:
oh boo hoo, grow up
As expected.
__________________ Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore"
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I3Iood Member
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posted February 27, 2012 10:15 PM

quote: Originally posted by stu55: Anywho, who is going to Indy in 2 weeks?
Does anyone know who the artists there will be? Thanks in advance. Jason
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Thanos Member
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posted February 27, 2012 10:23 PM

quote: Originally posted by I3Iood: Does anyone know who the artists there will be? Thanks in advance. Jason
Argyle is the only one confirmed so far.
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TimeBeing Member
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posted February 28, 2012 11:37 AM

quote: Originally posted by dfitzg88: you can agree to split, assuming the prize structure would put you in 1st and 2nd even if you just called it a draw, but you can't bribe your opponent by saying 'i'll give you the win if you split the prizes with me.' you can also agree to split prizes equally and then play it out for PWP. you can't, however, wait and see how other matches play out before choosing which of you should win, if it would affect your prize payouts.
This is a dicey area. Doesn't matter if it's for 1 or 2. That only applies in single elimination. You can always agree to a prize split with someone. And you can always agree to draw with someone. But you can't offer anything at all for the split, even a draw. Yes this happens all the time at stores and it tends not to be strictly enforced. Since you can say "do you want to split prizes? Yes" then ask do you "want to draw? yes" You can't say "Do you want to draw and split prizes" Also if your play it out the loser isn't guaranteed second.
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EuroRunner Member
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posted February 28, 2012 04:56 PM

I'll be there in Indy. Anyone have an updated zoo list they can link me too?
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WeedIan Member
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posted February 28, 2012 05:03 PM
  
The thing about prize splitting is at local stores its mostly acceptable to split because its the friendly thing to do but likely the wording people use locally would get you DQ'd at a big event.I know of a guy who had someone do this Opponent "How about the winner gives the loser a pack?" Guy "You mean a Prize split?" Opponent "Judge!" Guy gets game loss for collusion __________________ Member Since 03/28/2001 11000+ posts 1st in posts in Ontario 13th in posts on MOTL Top 5 in Refs in Ontario (by people who location posted)
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Lord Crovax Member
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posted February 28, 2012 05:30 PM

quote: Originally posted by WeedIan: The thing about prize splitting is at local stores its mostly acceptable to split because its the friendly thing to do but likely the wording people use locally would get you DQ'd at a big event.I know of a guy who had someone do this Opponent "How about the winner gives the loser a pack?" Guy "You mean a Prize split?" Opponent "Judge!" Guy gets game loss for collusion
wow....that really worked? either one guy had a lot of people to back him up or something cause that just sounds wrong....stupid baiting.. __________________ I shall have the souls of all who defy me. "Lord Crovax"
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Thanos Member
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posted February 28, 2012 06:07 PM

quote: Originally posted by WeedIan: The thing about prize splitting is at local stores its mostly acceptable to split because its the friendly thing to do but likely the wording people use locally would get you DQ'd at a big event.I know of a guy who had someone do this Opponent "How about the winner gives the loser a pack?" Guy "You mean a Prize split?" Opponent "Judge!" Guy gets game loss for collusion
Sounds like a fight in my neighborhood. Edit for iphone changes... : /
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Thanos on February 28, 2012]
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wayne Member
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posted February 28, 2012 06:19 PM
  
I find the DKA DKA DKA drafts quite fun, anyone else feel the same?
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Lord Crovax Member
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posted February 28, 2012 09:33 PM

So...FTV: Lands......let the disappointment commence...__________________ I shall have the souls of all who defy me. "Lord Crovax"
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JackSpade Member
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posted February 28, 2012 09:47 PM

quote: Originally posted by Lord Crovax: So...FTV: Lands......let the disappointment commence...
If it include Maze of Ith might be worthwhile. And my guess is that artwork is for Glacial Chasm. http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/918
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wayne Member
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posted February 28, 2012 10:32 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by JackSpade: If it include Maze of Ith might be worthwhile. And my guess is that artwork is for Glacial Chasm.http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/918
There is a foil Maze already, maybe foils of the set of Legends lands?
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SageShadows Member
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posted February 29, 2012 12:24 AM

Maybe it's a new policy of not insanely over MRSP FTV's?
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