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Zakman86
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quote:
Originally posted by Thanos:
You always come at me when I post about it

I don't like them, but I know a lot of people do, and I accept that.

I just can't stand these really ****ty ones that are all over the place, you have to agree with me there...


That's why you do your research before getting your cards altered, just like you would before buying a car.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Thanos:
You always come at me when I post about it

I don't like them, but I know a lot of people do, and I accept that.

I just can't stand these really ****ty ones that are all over the place, you have to agree with me there...


If you didn't say it EVERY SINGLE TIME a discussion ANYWHERE about alters comes up, people would not call you out on it. We know you do not like it. I enjoy very much artist signatures that I get from the artist in person (driving from PA to MA this weekend to get all my Dan Dos Santos stuff signed and an artist proof sketched) and I also enjoy alters. Some people like both, some people like one or the other, some people like neither. It is what it is.

 
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I love when people can voice their own opinions while simultaneously be respectful of others.

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As long as the card is altered by the original artist I'm ok with it, or the alter leaves the original art-work intact. Like if someone just extends the art out to the border that's cool. What I hate, and I see a lot, is people taking the original art and removing it completly from the card. It's like you are taking a dump on someones creation and vision. I find it very disrespectful. If the original artist themself does it, that's fine tho...it's when a second party comes along and does it that doesn't sit well with me.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by OGB:
I love when people can voice their own opinions while simultaneously be respectful of others.


Pretty sure this doesn't happen on the internet...ever. People love showing their e-peen when they are hiding behind a computer screen.

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quote:
Originally posted by daner:
As long as the card is altered by the original artist I'm ok with it, or the alter leaves the original art-work intact. Like if someone just extends the art out to the border that's cool. What I hate, and I see a lot, is people taking the original art and removing it completly from the card. It's like you are taking a dump on someones creation and vision. I find it very disrespectful. If the original artist themself does it, that's fine tho...it's when a second party comes along and does it that doesn't sit well with me.


Pretty much agree wholeheartedly with this.

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quote:
Originally posted by daner:
As long as the card is altered by the original artist I'm ok with it, or the alter leaves the original art-work intact. Like if someone just extends the art out to the border that's cool. What I hate, and I see a lot, is people taking the original art and removing it completly from the card. It's like you are taking a dump on someones creation and vision. I find it very disrespectful. If the original artist themself does it, that's fine tho...it's when a second party comes along and does it that doesn't sit well with me.

That's pretty fair, though an exception could (and maybe should) be made for Klug. His stuff is just crazy good.

1 2 3 4 5

Its one thing to just throw some anime girl onto a land, but another to have something that not only shows skill but some kind of thematic forethought.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by I3Iood:
If you didn't say it EVERY SINGLE TIME a discussion ANYWHERE about alters comes up, people would not call you out on it. We know you do not like it. I enjoy very much artist signatures that I get from the artist in person (driving from PA to MA this weekend to get all my Dan Dos Santos stuff signed and an artist proof sketched) and I also enjoy alters. Some people like both, some people like one or the other, some people like neither. It is what it is.

Happy to see people have been paying attention

 
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I don't see anything wrong with altering cards in part or in whole or doing whatever you want with them. They are your cards and there is hundreds of thousands of each printed anyway.

As far as people who think their cards are worth more because they are altered, you can simply choose to ignore them.

Some original artists do pretty bad alters on their own cards, I'm not too fond of sharpie doodles. There are some exceptions, Dan Frazier comes to mind. His Full Art Mox Diamond is just... wow.

...and sure there are a lot of bad alters out there, I don't see that as a bad thing, it means someone is trying and learning, altering catching on is getting all sorts of people who probably wouldn't have picked up a paint brush in their lives to give it a shot. Maybe it will go nowhere or maybe they will love it and with time develop into a great artist.

 
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I agree with airwalk for the most part, I think.

I see bad alters as people having fun. I'm sure there are people who see alters go for higher $ and think they can make some money off of it and do it because of that, but I think that's okay too. If I thought I could alter cards worth a crap, I'd do it to try and generate a little extra income too (particularly if/when I'm unemployed--it's infinitely better than sitting around moping--you take whatever talent you may have, in whatever you do, and try to earn some money during downtime).

I don't think alterations are very insulting to the original artist either really.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Bagbokk on February 17, 2012]

 
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Green Steel (tempered steel with gavony township) or UB infect for a GPT tomorrow?
 
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Just picked up a FOIL Karmic Guide and FOIL Tower of the Magistrate for $80 total. WINNING.

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I prefer some alters over others, such as full-arts and certain pop culture alters. There's some pretty awful stuff out there too, like the stupid anime lands that sell for absurd amounts.

I definitely don't regret having my Grim Tutor altered into full-art since its unique and done very well. And based on the reactions many people agree. It's not something I would do regularly though.

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quote:
Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
Green Steel (tempered steel with gavony township) or UB infect for a GPT tomorrow?

i hate how hit or miss steel draws are. i'd rather use anything with phyrexian crusader in it to combat people running around with a full set of slagstorms and galvanic blasts. i also got stomped by obliterators today (i was running wolf run huntmaster) so you might want to consider some of those for the SB.

 
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Did paypal up there fees?

People are asking for 5% now.

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quote:
Originally posted by Havoc Demon:
I prefer some alters over others, such as full-arts and certain pop culture alters. There's some pretty awful stuff out there too, like the stupid anime lands that sell for absurd amounts.

I definitely don't regret having my Grim Tutor altered into full-art since its unique and done very well. And based on the reactions many people agree. It's not something I would do regularly though.


I have full-arted Duals, a completely art-replaced Bazaar by Klug, and a bunch of other Japanese full-arted alters.

For me, foils don't mesh well with non-foils and all the cards that aren't foil are older cards, so I want to do something that makes the non-foils look less plain. Thus, the alters I have in my EDH decks.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by caquaa:
I opened a box of DA and got no huntsmaster, no sorin, no lich.... it was a Korean box. Super fail ><

I pulled 2 Lichs, no Sorin or Huntmaster, no a great box.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Thanos:
I pulled 2 Lichs, no Sorin or Huntmaster, no a great box.

i pulled a huntmaster and still was depressed. luckily the LGS threw in 8 promo Gravecrawlers since NO ONE is buying boxes from them, so I feel slightly less depressed.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by WeedIan:
Did paypal up there fees?

People are asking for 5% now.


As far as I know, fees are still 2.9% + .30 for domestic and 3.9% + .30 for international.

The 30 cents does get a little annoying for smaller payments but I still would not charge more than 4%.

 
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Originally posted by Bagbokk:
As far as I know, fees are still 2.9% + .30 for domestic and 3.9% + .30 for international.

The 30 cents does get a little annoying for smaller payments but I still would not charge more than 4%.


I wouldn't buy from anyone charging for paypal on here. It ends up being cheaper on ebay when you total in the ebay bucks you earn + the cashback on your credit card.

 
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I figured I had to post my awesome EDH deck on here because it is very awesome. I need Golem's Heart against artifact decks, that's why I have ** next to it.

Horde of Notions - General

Woodland Changeling
Emberstrike Duo
Shriekmaw
Tideforce Elemental
Chandra's Phoenix
Viridian Acolyte
Quickchange
Frozen Solid
Fire Servant
Cosi's Ravager **
Tectonic Rift
Obelisk of Grixis
Vent Sentinel
Dawn Elemental
Shields of Velis Vel
Changeling Berserker
Turtleshell Changeling
Tunnel Ignus
Numbing Dose
Rage Forger
Changeling Hero
Arbalest Elite
Conundrum Sphinx
Alpha Tyrranax
Ingot Chewer
Wooly Thoctar
Deathbringer Thoctar
Underwold Dreams
Shadow of Doubt
Sprouting Thrinax
Breath of Malfegor
Orim's Thunder
Chrome Steed
Serum Raker
Kemba's Skyguard
Yixlid Jailer
Firebreathing
Oxidda Scrapmelter
Golem's Heart **
Crib Swap
Rise from the Grave
Vampire Nighthawk
Kitesail Apprentice
Plague Stinger
Mage Slayer
Jaddi Lifestrider
Water Servant
Changeling Sentinel
Corrupted Resolve
Gather Specimens
Sacellum Godspeaker
Flamekin Spitfire
Dawnfluke
Rockslide Elemental
Tidewater Minion
Voracious Hatchling
Wings of Velis Vel
Amoeboid Changeling
Fire-Belly Changeling
Skeletal Changeling
War-Spike Changeling

Ancient Ziggurat
Jwar Isle Refuge
Grixis Panorama
Russian Green White Storage Land
Terramorphic Expanse
Swamp x 5
Plains x 6
Forest x 5
Island x 9
Mountain x 8

I also took a picture of my deck because it is pretty cool, check it out.

http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/mujcc/hordeofnotionsdeck.jpg
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Please note I am joking . This is the finished EDH deck that is full of signed foil cards by MOTL users. Thank you everyone who helped me out! Especially OGB, and the mods for signing the General.

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quote:
Originally posted by dwiz:
I wouldn't buy from anyone charging for paypal on here. It ends up being cheaper on ebay when you total in the ebay bucks you earn + the cashback on your credit card.

Shrug. If someone asks to pay via Goods or CC-PayPal and wants me to eat the fees, I see that as making an offer for a 3-4% discount on cards (because I get 3-4% less), and make my decision accordingly based on the same thoughts I give any other offer for any less than my asking price. Sometimes it can make or break a deal, and if so, it's perfectly fine with me should someone refuse to buy from me because of it. I treat buyers well (especially repeat ones) but I can always find another should I feel that a potential buyer is being too unreasonable.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Bagbokk on February 18, 2012]

 
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Just finalized my plans for GP: Baltimore! Who else is going?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
Just finalized my plans for GP: Baltimore! Who else is going?

Not me, artists there are regular signers...

 
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I love how Sorin is so differntly priced from person to person right now. $65 foils from one user and $88 from another. 38.50 non-foils or 30 non foils.

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