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ryan2754 Member	posted October 15, 2012 04:05 PM quote: Originally posted by Lord Crovax: That seems interesting... Am I missing something? __________________ -Schmitty 89th in Refs [282] on MOTL (1 behind gar) 2nd in Refs [282] in OH-IO (72 behind souladvocate) 2nd in Posts [7602] in OH-IO (only 500 behind Val) “If Brad Stevens is the future of coaching in college basketball, the sport is in a good place.” - Rick Pitino
revenger Member	posted October 15, 2012 04:17 PM why do people freaking use scg to price their cards? C'mon, it's ridic on their prices. I'm just shocked and amazed at my fellow motler's who swear by scg. and they cannot understand why scg has a card so high, when it's really not, by checking ending ebay auctions, completed listings for the correct price. Sigh. ~Revenger __________________ Motl member since November 1, 2000 Your 2008 & 2010 Siskel & Ebert award winner! 32nd in refs on Motl! #1 Ref's for Arizona!
Lord Crovax Member	posted October 15, 2012 04:19 PM quote: Originally posted by ryan2754: Am I missing something? Easy Mono colored way to exile someones whole deck at once... __________________ I shall have the souls of all who defy me. "Lord Crovax"
Bagbokk Member	posted October 15, 2012 05:08 PM quote: We were discussing land choices on our ride to states. The most uncool cool lands (aka hipster lands) that i was able to come up with were zendikar lands that are not full art from the precon decks. If you want to stick w/ obscure and black bordered then you can get simplified Chinese portal 2 lands as long as it isn't swamps. or just go full guru. Its funny when people who know what they are realize you're playing w/ a deck full of them. If I had the money I'd go full Guru. Alas, cannot justify spending that much money on basic lands! I don't need blackbordered, but it seems most people recognize most of the lands. Portal 1, 2, and 3 are the least known and unfortunately most of the basics I play actually are swamps. Gold-bordered would be cool but I actually need these for tournament play. xD I figure P3K is the least known out of all the lands around here. No one knew what Horsemanship did when I started playing EDH here, because most people didn't know that P3K even existed. Whitebordered is unfortunate, but I figure it'll make people look twice at the land since no one plays with WB lands anymore anyway.
ryan2754 Member	posted October 15, 2012 06:16 PM quote: Originally posted by Lord Crovax: Easy Mono colored way to exile someones whole deck at once... And how does that work? __________________ -Schmitty 89th in Refs [282] on MOTL (1 behind gar) 2nd in Refs [282] in OH-IO (72 behind souladvocate) 2nd in Posts [7602] in OH-IO (only 500 behind Val) “If Brad Stevens is the future of coaching in college basketball, the sport is in a good place.” - Rick Pitino
Bagbokk Member	posted October 15, 2012 06:20 PM quote: Originally posted by ryan2754: And how does that work? RIP is a replacement effect (so is Leyline of the Void), instead of stuff being put into the graveyard, it gets exiled. So when you activate Helm of Obedience, the condition is never met because "X cards or a creature card" is never put into their graveyard. So it just exiles their entire library. If you go to gatherer.wizards.com and input Helm of Obedience there's actually a specific ruling on it. [Edited 1 times, lastly by Bagbokk on October 15, 2012]
B14ckM4g3 Member	posted October 15, 2012 06:21 PM I know gold-bordered cards are illegal, but that includes the basics? Really? Can I get a link to the official ruling on this? I figured basics wouldn't be included.
dwiz Member	posted October 15, 2012 06:34 PM quote: Originally posted by B14ckM4g3: I know gold-bordered cards are illegal, but that includes the basics? Really? Can I get a link to the official ruling on this? I figured basics wouldn't be included. The back is different from standard cards. GB & CE have always been illegal in the DCI.
B14ckM4g3 Member	posted October 15, 2012 07:03 PM ah forgot about the backing. Are the cards of a different quality as well (IE; thinner, thicker, slightly smaller, rounder corners, etc) I ask as I was thinking of gold-bordreing my lands. On a related note, if I take a gold-colored marker and paint the borders gold, would that be legal?
harbingerofthevoid Member	posted October 15, 2012 07:08 PM quote: Originally posted by Bagbokk: RIP is a replacement effect (so is Leyline of the Void), instead of stuff being put into the graveyard, it gets exiled. So when you activate Helm of Obedience, the condition is never met because "X cards or a creature card" is never put into their graveyard. So it just exiles their entire library. If you go to gatherer.wizards.com and input Helm of Obedience there's actually a specific ruling on it. I've been messing with Leyline + Helm BW for a while. Blue is just a better color for it. Using counters + Energy Field is just better I guess. Field becomes an almost Solitary Continent. Your cards never hit the grave. You don't take damage. You pay 1, you mill their deck. Planar Void would be good but Emurakul and Finks cause the cards still hit the grave first. So not infinite mill. Having a hand full of Hymns and Thoughtseize is sub par to a hand of Daze and FoW. Looking at a few lists it should play more like LandStill with Helm + RiP
dwiz Member	posted October 15, 2012 07:17 PM quote: Originally posted by B14ckM4g3: ah forgot about the backing. Are the cards of a different quality as well (IE; thinner, thicker, slightly smaller, rounder corners, etc) I ask as I was thinking of gold-bordreing my lands. On a related note, if I take a gold-colored marker and paint the borders gold, would that be legal? Painting black bordered lands gold would be legal, it's akin to altering. GB and CE cards are higher quality than the cards they make now, which are flimsy and cheap. Compare a GB or CE card to Scars or Rav block. The new cards are like index cards.
daner Member	posted October 15, 2012 07:37 PM The idiot new member is back..... 3 pms in a row... "how bout $50+Ash Zealot/Hellrider for the lot?" "actually I think $60+Ash Zealot+Hellrider would be fair Im up for barganing but sounds pretty fair to me" "we should arrange a time to skype or something so we can work something out." Is this kid braindead?
Lord Crovax Member	posted October 15, 2012 07:49 PM quote: Originally posted by daner: The idiot new member is back..... 3 pms in a row... "how bout $50+Ash Zealot/Hellrider for the lot?" "actually I think $60+Ash Zealot+Hellrider would be fair Im up for barganing but sounds pretty fair to me" "we should arrange a time to skype or something so we can work something out." Is this kid braindead? One thing I've learned in life, anything is possible... __________________ I shall have the souls of all who defy me. "Lord Crovax"
harbingerofthevoid Member	posted October 15, 2012 09:02 PM quote: Originally posted by daner: The idiot new member is back..... 3 pms in a row... "how bout $50+Ash Zealot/Hellrider for the lot?" "actually I think $60+Ash Zealot+Hellrider would be fair Im up for barganing but sounds pretty fair to me" "we should arrange a time to skype or something so we can work something out." Is this kid braindead? Skype part was neat. there's some member that says something about texting to confirm. ok.
choco man Member	posted October 16, 2012 12:15 PM Is Argothian Enchantress something that is too much for WOTC to bring back? Card isn't expensive so I'm not talking about price, but does WOTC really even care about bringing a card like that back again? Is WOTC done with shroud and 100% moving onto hexproof (which is part of making MTG more user-friendly)? If so, does that harm Argothian's chances even more, since it would effectively give Legacy a functional copy of Argothian (although this was recently done anyway with the more user-friendly Master of Pearl Trident). Truly, I'm just hoping for a low cc legendary Enchantress one day (Bant or Selesnya). [Edited 1 times, lastly by choco man on October 16, 2012]
MagixDK Member	posted October 16, 2012 02:20 PM they could just make an exact reprint and reword the original one to be hexproof?
MagixDK Member	posted October 16, 2012 02:23 PM So was wondering (yes its a longshot) is there any solution that will remove black marker from my inked card, but not remove the print? (is the ink from print and marker different in some way?)
choco man Member	posted October 16, 2012 05:02 PM Eric Klug is an artist who does alters. He is good at cleaning up trashed cards, and removing ink/marker. He might be able to help you.
MagixDK Member	posted October 16, 2012 05:17 PM its an alpha lotus, and the card would probably be nm-/ex+ without the inking, which is very very slight. I think getting it altered would probably decrease value and sellability.
choco man Member	posted October 16, 2012 06:49 PM Klug did just recently post a Library where he removed a fake signature. He did alter the card but the alter didn't alter the textbook beyond that. So I'm not talking a full alter. Just Klug's techniques are really good. He would be a good person to get advice from, even if you're not alterjng.
WeedIan Member	posted October 16, 2012 09:09 PM quote: Originally posted by choco man: Klug did just recently post a Library where he removed a fake signature. He did alter the card but the alter didn't alter the textbook beyond that. So I'm not talking a full alter. Just Klug's techniques are really good. He would be a good person to get advice from, even if you're not alterjng. Yup it was really well done getting rid of the sig. Also Hilarious below http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/005304-2.html __________________ Member Since 03/28/2001 12000+ posts 1st in posts in Ontario 2nd in posts in Canada 10th in posts on MOTL 5th in Refs in Ontario Pushing to get to top 100 in MOTL Refs
Lord Crovax Member	posted October 16, 2012 09:19 PM quote: Originally posted by WeedIan: Yup it was really well done getting rid of the sig. Also Hilarious below http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/005304-2.html Ya he got a full page on General Post for Stuff to... __________________ I shall have the souls of all who defy me. "Lord Crovax"
choco man Member	posted October 16, 2012 11:54 PM Thought Bonfire would be played much more. Isn't that the best card to have in a long creature stall?
Lord Crovax Member	posted October 16, 2012 11:55 PM quote: Originally posted by choco man: Thought Bonfire would be played much more. Isn't that the best card to have in a long creature stall? Suppose it depends on the deck.... __________________ I shall have the souls of all who defy me. "Lord Crovax"
caquaa Member	posted October 17, 2012 12:50 AM quote: Originally posted by choco man: Thought Bonfire would be played much more. Isn't that the best card to have in a long creature stall? it was when long creature stalled were all the rage. Now you have decks running jace + tamiyo + thragtusk + angel of serenity.... and thats really about it. It is still good, just not against as much of the field.

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