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caquaa Member	posted October 05, 2012 03:41 AM quote: Originally posted by Timmyhill: The guy who got cut should have casted Fog. nah, need to be a tad more creative. How about Healing Salve?
skizzikmonger Member	posted October 05, 2012 05:47 AM quote: Originally posted by caquaa: nah, need to be a tad more creative. How about Healing Salve? Redirect would've been better
bushe Member	posted October 05, 2012 06:11 AM it's gonna suck losing 2 life every turn, not to mention the -2/-2
revenger Member	posted October 05, 2012 11:53 AM Why is through the breach like a $4 card? __________________ Motl member since November 1, 2000 Your 2008 & 2010 Siskel & Ebert award winner! 33rd in refs on Motl! #1 Ref's for Arizona! I offer 3rd party services. Email me if interested.
CubFan81 Member	posted October 05, 2012 12:15 PM quote: Originally posted by revenger: Why is through the breach like a $4 card? Modern. With Griselbran and Emrakul.
MasterWolf Member	posted October 05, 2012 02:24 PM I'm really excited. Tonight I will have my first shot at "Dealing" for a major local store. I'm fairly confident, though I worry I won't have any customers and therefore no chance to showcase my abilities Any last minute advice?
junichi Moderator	posted October 05, 2012 02:26 PM quote: Originally posted by MasterWolf: I'm really excited. Tonight I will have my first shot at "Dealing" for a major local store. I'm fairly confident, though I worry I won't have any customers and therefore no chance to showcase my abilities Any last minute advice? Deodorant. __________________ MOTL Fantasy NBA 2010 Champion Life is hard; it's harder if you're stupid. John Wayne
djcards Member	posted October 05, 2012 05:37 PM Low on cash this week, so I decided I would sell the majority of my collection. After laying out my high tide deck, I got really depressed. I know that if I sold my stuff I would regret it in a month or two (my last hiatus lasted 6 years, and was one of the worst financial decisions I ever made).... but the $600 or so would help alot right now. I hate money...
Lord Crovax Member	posted October 05, 2012 06:31 PM quote: Originally posted by djcards: Low on cash this week, so I decided I would sell the majority of my collection. After laying out my high tide deck, I got really depressed. I know that if I sold my stuff I would regret it in a month or two (my last hiatus lasted 6 years, and was one of the worst financial decisions I ever made).... but the $600 or so would help alot right now. I hate money... Sell Type2 stuff 1st, then Modern, then if you still haven't hit your target Legacy/Vintage, makes the loss a little easier to stomach. __________________ I shall have the souls of all who defy me. "Lord Crovax"
AGO Member	posted October 05, 2012 09:52 PM Wow so many BTA's about condition issues. This is nuts!
hilikuS Member	posted October 06, 2012 06:12 AM Man some of these people are just obnoxious about the BTA. I feel for frankenskid because I had to go through a similar situation, with an equally jerkish member here.
stu55 Member	posted October 06, 2012 06:47 AM quote: Originally posted by AGO: Wow so many BTA's about condition issues. This is nuts! Didn't even give me a follow up e-mail to try to resolve it before BTA'ing me, seriously
WeedIan Member	posted October 06, 2012 08:26 AM quote: Originally posted by stu55: Didn't even give me a follow up e-mail to try to resolve it before BTA'ing me, seriously I thought cards can have whitening and still be considered EX. I've got to agree that there has to be some rules in place where a BTA isn't posted immediately on issues of condition because its not a case where the party hasn't received there cards. __________________ Member Since 03/28/2001 12000+ posts 1st in posts in Ontario 2nd in posts in Canada 10th in posts on MOTL 5th in Refs in Ontario Pushing to get to top 100 in MOTL Refs
nderdog Moderator	posted October 06, 2012 08:39 AM quote: Originally posted by AGO: Wow so many BTA's about condition issues. This is nuts! Yeah, this has been trending up lately, and it needs to stop. Most would be avoided if people would grade properly before sending cards. __________________ There's no need to fear, UNDERDOG is here! All your Gruul Nodorogs are belong to me. Trade them to me, please! Report rules violations. Remember the Auctions Board!
MagicPatty Member	posted October 06, 2012 09:13 AM Perhaps MOTL can put a description guide complete w/ scans as the standard for grading cards. That way both parties are sure of what to expect when a card is described as NM or EX... Also, as a suggestion, a BTA case on condition should REQUIRE scans of the cards. __________________ Starting the bulk rare collection all over! Send them my way!
AGO Member	posted October 06, 2012 09:58 AM quote: Originally posted by nderdog: Yeah, this has been trending up lately, and it needs to stop. Most would be avoided if people would grade properly before sending cards. There has to be a foolproof way to do this. The gray area is the Ex range. People grade so differently here that it is getting people put on the BTA. It is also bogus that Stu didn't even get a chance to fix the situation before the hasty BTA was made. I have only had one situation where someone didn't find my grading acceptable. I had a Taiga I marked as (played not beat)he insisted it was HP not P. I just didn't want to fight over such a little amount of money I refunded him $2.50. I could of fought it and won because I had scans, but it wasn't really worth it. I value my time more then that.
Swift2210 Member	posted October 06, 2012 11:02 AM quote: Originally posted by stu55: Didn't even give me a follow up e-mail to try to resolve it before BTA'ing me, seriously 5 days is plenty of time to answer. How long is he supposed to wait on you? 2 weeks?
Vegas10 Member	posted October 06, 2012 11:17 AM quote: Originally posted by MagicPatty: Perhaps MOTL can put a description guide complete w/ scans as the standard for grading cards. That way both parties are sure of what to expect when a card is described as NM or EX... Also, as a suggestion, a BTA case on condition should REQUIRE scans of the cards. Suggestions from the community never really matter on this site, that suggestions post is a joke never seen one of them ever taken seriously in my 2 1/2 years here. Part of the reason for that is the administrators have minimal involvement here unless absolutly forced to like with the Hooskdaddy case from earlier this year.
Volcanon Member	posted October 06, 2012 11:44 AM quote: Originally posted by WeedIan: I thought cards can have whitening and still be considered EX. I've got to agree that there has to be some rules in place where a BTA isn't posted immediately on issues of condition because its not a case where the party hasn't received there cards. Shrug, it's exactly like when there are ebay issues. Buyer is supposed to contact you and is then supposed to speak with you through paypal, but they always just lie about contacting you and then immediately escalate it to a claim.
gaeacradle Member	posted October 06, 2012 01:08 PM quote: Originally posted by Swift2210: 5 days is plenty of time to answer. How long is he supposed to wait on you? 2 weeks? People get busy all the time. While I don't think Stu is not at fault for not responding earlier, I think a follow-up final email before BTA is considered a good etiquette/trading practice. If I just email a person once, and go straight to the BTA after a week, I will probably post at least 15 unnecessary BTA posts (then again, I've been here so long). Usually, the "hey, this is my last attempt before BTA, you have X days to respond" works, and people will respond. Is it annoying to wait? Yes. But it helps the other person to prioritize and understand the gravity of the situation. On another note, I don't like dealing with grading Nazi. A card can be played, and has no major problems that would not make it "NM". However, extremely strict graders will find something wrong with it while 95% or more people would be happy of it. Sometimes, I feel like people has that rule in order to squeeze out a little bit more of the deal. I'm not saying bottlecaps is doing that, just my gut feeling/instinct. So I rather not deal with them. Just less headaches for me to deal with. [Edited 1 times, lastly by gaeacradle on October 06, 2012]
Volcanon Member	posted October 06, 2012 03:58 PM quote: Originally posted by gaeacradle: People get busy all the time. While I don't think Stu is not at fault for not responding earlier, I think a follow-up final email before BTA is considered a good etiquette/trading practice. If I just email a person once, and go straight to the BTA after a week, I will probably post at least 15 unnecessary BTA posts (then again, I've been here so long). Usually, the "hey, this is my last attempt before BTA, you have X days to respond" works, and people will respond. Is it annoying to wait? Yes. But it helps the other person to prioritize and understand the gravity of the situation. On another note, I don't like dealing with grading Nazi. A card can be played, and has no major problems that would not make it "NM". However, extremely strict graders will find something wrong with it while 95% or more people would be happy of it. Sometimes, I feel like people has that rule in order to squeeze out a little bit more of the deal. I'm not saying bottlecaps is doing that, just my gut feeling/instinct. So I rather not deal with them. Just less headaches for me to deal with. Maybe have a disclaimer: "This is what I think it is, but if you are a Grading Nazi, please consider all of my cards to be trashed." There are specific people I won't trade with because they are well-known for being overly fussy about condition. I'd rather not pay to have my cards shipped back because you think a fingerprint makes something "Poor" condition.
Drexus Member	posted October 06, 2012 05:54 PM From my personal experience I find I am running into a lot more issues with conditions with my recent trades. I honestly believe I am a lenient grader as I really am not that fussed but I have had to complain a few times when $30+ cards come to me in G/VG without anything be said before hand. It really is quite inconvenient since a lot of the time you've already crossed the card off your to let list when the trade is finalised.
WeedIan Member	posted October 07, 2012 11:56 AM The stupidity continues on card prices after one SCG Open. __________________ Member Since 03/28/2001 12000+ posts 1st in posts in Ontario 2nd in posts in Canada 10th in posts on MOTL 5th in Refs in Ontario Pushing to get to top 100 in MOTL Refs
gaeacradle Member	posted October 07, 2012 12:37 PM quote: Originally posted by WeedIan: The stupidity continues on card prices after one SCG Open. If people try to trade those cards at SCG prices, just say "No thanks and move on"
AGO Member	posted October 07, 2012 01:35 PM quote: Originally posted by WeedIan: The stupidity continues on card prices after one SCG Open. I value my Jace, Architect of Thought at $49.99.......

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