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Topic: The Post for Magic Stuff and Stuff #80
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thror
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posted April 16, 2013 11:22 PM
     
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Originally posted by JoshSherman:
Does anyone know why Arrest doesn't say "Enchanted creature is detained?"
because detain means "Until your next turn, X can't attack or block and its activated abilities can't be activated." you would have to word it to trigger every turn. __________________
"He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."[16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for?
[16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted [19:01] <nderEvo> you can delete yourself
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Absurd90
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posted April 17, 2013 07:34 AM
Anyone got good place to check/compare MTGO card prices? Mtgowikiprice.serverlet.com/wiki.php is always down or does load very slowly :/ Im mainly thinking of legacy cards, are brainstorms really $4 on online? Which bot is best for eternal cards?Thanks!
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Volcanon
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posted April 17, 2013 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by Absurd90:
Anyone got good place to check/compare MTGO card prices? Mtgowikiprice.serverlet.com/wiki.php is always down or does load very slowly :/ Im mainly thinking of legacy cards, are brainstorms really $4 on online? Which bot is best for eternal cards?Thanks!
The mtgotraders website is usually a decent way to get bot prices. They tend not to be far from the average. And yes, brainstorms probably are. The first two master's editions were painful to play with (ME3 was a lot of fun, ME4 was competent). And aside from Masques (which nobody drafted - why was it full retail price?), box set, and promos that's the only place they were printed online.
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daner
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posted April 17, 2013 07:42 PM
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Originally posted by Absurd90:
Anyone got good place to check/compare MTGO card prices? Mtgowikiprice.serverlet.com/wiki.php is always down or does load very slowly :/ Im mainly thinking of legacy cards, are brainstorms really $4 on online? Which bot is best for eternal cards?Thanks!
Dude, Cloud of Faeries is like 4-5 tix each. As Volcannon said....they weren't printed that much for online, and the sets they were are painful to draft. Masques block wasn't even a block. It was all the sets into one pack. So it was dreadful to get Brainstorms. They are not only a big part of online Legacy, but pauper is big online. A lot of people need them for pauper....monoU is a really good deck.
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I3Iood
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posted April 18, 2013 08:33 AM
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Originally posted by daner:
Dude, Cloud of Faeries is like 4-5 tix each. As Volcannon said....they weren't printed that much for online, and the sets they were are painful to draft. Masques block wasn't even a block. It was all the sets into one pack. So it was dreadful to get Brainstorms. They are not only a big part of online Legacy, but pauper is big online. A lot of people need them for pauper....monoU is a really good deck.
There is no need for them to create this artificial "rarity" of older cards on modo. Since they are not eligible for redemption, they should be "printed" and available for purchase (I saw this with a 30k + modo collection). They seem to be trying to mirror the rarity of paper cards of older sets and it makes no sense. There is so much wrong with modo that it amazes me that people flock to it in droves. If that was my product at my job, I would no doubtingly be fired.
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wayne
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posted April 18, 2013 08:49 AM
 
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Originally posted by I3Iood:
There is no need for them to create this artificial "rarity" of older cards on modo. Since they are not eligible for redemption, they should be "printed" and available for purchase (I saw this with a 30k + modo collection). They seem to be trying to mirror the rarity of paper cards of older sets and it makes no sense. There is so much wrong with modo that it amazes me that people flock to it in droves. If that was my product at my job, I would no doubtingly be fired.
Well, there are so many drafts and events firing, why would you be fired if MODO was your product at work?
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I3Iood
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posted April 18, 2013 09:03 AM
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Originally posted by wayne:
Well, there are so many drafts and events firing, why would you be fired if MODO was your product at work?
Because their product sucks. There are so many bugs, crashes, and unavailable features. Just because a lot of people use it, does not mean it is a terribly designed and implemented piece of software. How bad was windows ME? Millions of people still used it.
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Schwingzilla
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posted April 18, 2013 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by I3Iood:
Because their product sucks. There are so many bugs, crashes, and unavailable features. Just because a lot of people use it, does not mean it is a terribly designed and implemented piece of software. How bad was windows ME? Millions of people still used it.
True that. I'm impressed they were capable of implementing the hard part (programming a dynamic game with complex rules) and completely botched literally every other easy part (not crashing during trades, maneuvering around an interface, being able to build decks and look at collections without tearing your hair out). I would play Magic Online if it weren't such an awful slog. In the new interface (3.0 beta?), I built one deck (Pauper Elves), which involved trading for a couple cards and then using the deck builder, and played it until I was bored. NEVER AGAIN. Now, you could say, "Use the old client," which I would do, if, in typical Wizards of the Coast fashion, the old client installation didn't auto-crash in Windows 7x64.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Schwingzilla on April 18, 2013]
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Schwingzilla
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posted April 18, 2013 09:41 AM
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Originally posted by wayne:
Well, there are so many drafts and events firing, why would you be fired if MODO was your product at work?
As far as the people implementing Magic Online: As a business strategist, you should probably get a raise. As a programmer, you should probably be fired.
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Pail42
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posted April 18, 2013 11:14 AM
Most of my friends play Duels of the Planeswalkers and they have very similar things to say about Wizard's software quality.
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walkerdog
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posted April 18, 2013 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by wayne:
Well, there are so many drafts and events firing, why would you be fired if MODO was your product at work?
Because the product (MTG) is the reason those are firing, not the software, which is basically ~1998-quality programing.
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mcelraca
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posted April 18, 2013 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by Pail42:
Most of my friends play Duels of the Planeswalkers and they have very similar things to say about Wizard's software quality.
I played DotP for 2012 and a friend of mine played 2013, those games seem to be more polished than MTGO. I enjoyed the console games though they have limited card sets. The online game is frustratingly poor. A while back I downloaded the free trial, with the intention of switching my collection over. Well 30 min into using the software I realized that it wasn't worth it and haven't looked back.
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Volcanon
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posted April 18, 2013 01:00 PM
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Originally posted by mcelraca:
I played DotP for 2012 and a friend of mine played 2013, those games seem to be more polished than MTGO.I enjoyed the console games though they have limited card sets. The online game is frustratingly poor. A while back I downloaded the free trial, with the intention of switching my collection over. Well 30 min into using the software I realized that it wasn't worth it and haven't looked back.
I hate losing because of the software. It used to be easier, like it would lag server-side and you'd time out of your game and insta-lose. They say they give compensation but I was refused the one time I lost because of a badly programmed card.
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Pail42
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posted April 18, 2013 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by Volcanon:
... I lost because of a badly programmed card.
As in the programming doesn't always follow the official rules?
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caquaa
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posted April 18, 2013 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by Pail42:
As in the programming doesn't always follow the official rules?
bugs happen occasionally. Most recently pillar of flame, for whatever reason, wasn't exiling creatures. it gets fixed, if it matters they'll issue you compensation. If you drafted you'll get to keep the cards plus get your entry (packs + tix) back, if you played in a constructed event you'll get your tix back. The only time they deny compensation is if there wasn't actually an error or if you won more than your refund (ex: In a 6tix entry fee constructed you win 1 pack they'll refund you 2 tix since you won a pack valued at 4 tix). I've never been denied compensation ever and I've filled for some things that weren't even wotc's fault... had a power outage, figured I'd ask, haha. Honestly the biggest thing mtgo needs is better memory management. If you get a bunch of permanents out in play you'll notice huge lag and that isn't acceptable. The code didn't need a full rewrite tho, fixing the current client would likely be enough.
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Timmyhill
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posted April 18, 2013 05:53 PM
I so should have finished completing my set of worldwake a few weeks ago when I had the chance.. I think its going to be a while before I get the last card to finish.
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CubFan81
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posted April 19, 2013 09:25 AM
My biggest gripe with Magic Online is the complete chaos that is trading. The partial tickets credit system with bots, the inane classified section with symbols and extra flair.If I'm trying to finish out a deck and need to pick up 2 Searing Spear or something else that's not a chase rare I'm not likely to find it easily from someone. I'll have to find a bot, who has them listed for .33 tix or something else crazy so now I have to buy 2 and have credit and hope he has some stuff I can use later. If I forget about the credit or never find anything then he effectively earned an extra .34. How hard could it be to implement something like a trade matcher. The new beta client has a wishlist feature that isn't terrible if it wouldn't keep emptying itself every time I close the client. Make cards available to trade. Put cards I'm looking for in the wishlist section. Match me with someone who has the inverse. Let me send them a message to see if they're interested.
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marlo213
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posted April 19, 2013 10:07 AM
Where do you guys get your toploaders?
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CubFan81
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posted April 19, 2013 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by marlo213:
Where do you guys get your toploaders?
From the trades I've done. I've got a shoebox full of them.
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rockondon
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posted April 19, 2013 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by marlo213:
Where do you guys get your toploaders?
I haven't bought toploaders in years since I get so many from buying/trading, but when I did I bought it from whatever card store sells cards. Department stores often sell them too.
When you buy them its a good idea to get thick ones as well as your standard ones. They're great for protecting 3+ cards.
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hilikuS
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posted April 19, 2013 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by marlo213:
Where do you guys get your toploaders?
I bought like a case of them so I'll probably never need more... They came out to a little under a nickel each. http://www.cardboardgold.com/toploaders.html
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I3Iood
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posted April 19, 2013 11:39 AM
It is great when someone has a collection pretty well laid out with what is included and offered at "$4,000 OBO shipped" and then someone offers "if I were taking a gamble I can offer $600 shipped"........Seriously???
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CubFan81
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posted April 19, 2013 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by I3Iood:
It is great when someone has a collection pretty well laid out with what is included and offered at "$4,000 OBO shipped" and then someone offers "if I were taking a gamble I can offer $600 shipped"........Seriously???
I wanted to reply something snarky but decided against it. I mean ignoring the full playset of standard, he listed 3 duals, 4 Onslaught fetches, and 12 Zendikar fetches. That's an easy $600 right there.
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caquaa
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posted April 19, 2013 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by marlo213:
Where do you guys get your toploaders?
my LGS doesn't carry them as there isn't much demand, so I just buy them from walmart when I need them.
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WeedIan
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posted April 20, 2013 05:55 PM
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