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Originally posted by coasterdude84:
So finally breaking down and building an EDH deck. I've never played it before, but I know that while there is a dedicated banned list, it's looked down upon to play certain cards still. Would having Braids (Cabal Minion, not the crappy blue one) as my commander/general be considered bad form?

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Tips for picking a commander: Evaluate the style of decks most people you will be playing with are already using. EDH is very much a "build to the meta" format. If you have tons of combo/high-powered decks in your area, then it's perfectly reasonable to build a deck that fits in. However, if the people you will be playing with skew to the more casual, non-infinite win mindset, you are doing yourself a disservice if you do not design your deck with those types of games in mind.

I'm not looking to spark a casual/competitive debate. I'm just saying that you should keep in mind that casual players may uninvite you from their games if you are consistently winning on turn 5 and all of the effort that goes into building an EDH deck would be wasted.

EDIT: Things to avoid are typically mass land destruction, stax/tax effects, hard locks, and any easily assembled combo that wins before turn 10 or so.

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Does anyone have any opinions on bans/unbans for EDH (multiplayer? Some that have come up in our group as a topic (not necessarily a plan) is Prophet of Krupihx, Cyclonic Rift, Vorinclex, Bane of Progress, any mass land destruction.

Also, why are PRotean Hulk and Panoptic Mirror banned? I dunno what they do that's so broken in this format.

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Originally posted by Sovarius:
@Pail: That makes more sense

Does anyone have any opinions on bans/unbans for EDH (multiplayer? Some that have come up in our group as a topic (not necessarily a plan) is Prophet of Krupihx, Cyclonic Rift, Vorinclex, Bane of Progress, any mass land destruction.

Also, why are PRotean Hulk and Panoptic Mirror banned? I dunno what they do that's so broken in this format.

Also, why is Coalition Victory banned, but other 'Win' cards are not? I think that Test of Endurance and Felidar Sovereign are easier.

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This I think explains Panpotic Mirror:

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/218759-panoptic-mirror

Hopefully this helps with Hulk:

http://www.reddit.com/r/EDH/comments/1esycx/protean_hulk_to_unban_or_not_to_unban/

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Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
Where do people play to test out their decks etc (not modo) these days? Cockatrice?

Anyone have a link and help a brother out?

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I use Cockatrice and downloaded it from here: http://www.woogerworks.com/

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Originally posted by revenger:
This I think explains Panpotic Mirror:

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/218759-panoptic-mirror

Hopefully this helps with Hulk:

http://www.reddit.com/r/EDH/comments/1esycx/protean_hulk_to_unban_or_not_to_unban/

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Relevant, thank you.

edit: Time Walks, duh. I shoulda figured that out.

more edit: Good link about Hulk, though none of that was convincing to me at all. Tooth was compared multiple times, but tooth can get any CMC. There is far less combos with it. You can't get Palinchron, Craterhood, Avenger, Sheoldred or Elesh at all, and only one of Mikaeus, Trisk, Deadeye, Kiki-Jiki, Conscripts (or any other similar piece for Kiki), Reveillark, Karmic Guide, etc.
Also the fear that he is a one card combo, like Tooth or Defense. You still have to have those cards in deck, not hand or graveyard. In addition to trying to remove Hulk yourself. There are low CMC creatures that would be great to just keep pulling and pulling if you want to recur Hulk. But if one can say "Tooth can get countered, Tooth is not as easy to recur as a creature" then the same can be said for Hulk who "Can be countered, exiled, tucked" etc, and consider that graveyards can be **** on easier than any other zone in the game.
I'm not sure what ~3drops can be pulled best besides like Phantasmal Image and Eternal Witness, but the discussion in said link seems to assume you can get two 6 CMC creats. I mean if you have one 6 CMC combo creat in play (therefore the search can find a single 6CMC) and are using Hulk for the other piece instead of Chord, Survival, Green Sun...
Hmmmm.

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Originally posted by ryan2754:
My group banned Rhystic Study just because of the annoyance factor of someone asking repeatedly "You gonna pay 1?"

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Originally posted by Sovarius:
Also, why is Coalition Victory banned, but other 'Win' cards are not? I think that Test of Endurance and Felidar Sovereign are easier.

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Coalition Victory happens immediately, so there's less of a chance to respond to it. The others trigger during your upkeep, so players get plenty of time to deal with them.

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Originally posted by Sovarius:
Ahhhh, good way to look at it. I thought for sure it was much harder to make happen.

edit: Who again are the Japanese users/located in Japan? I want a jap clash pack Prophet of Kruphix

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No need to hunt down Japanese sellers for T2 cards. T2 in Japan usually costs more.

On a different note... MWS has seemed especially unrealiable these last couple of weeks. I suspect it's reaching the end of its life cycle... are there any real alternatives to it (other than MTGO, obviously). What are the downsides of Cockatrice, for example?

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Originally posted by Goaswerfraiejen:
What are the downsides of Cockatrice, for example?

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There arent any. I dont understand people who still use MWS, I switched years ago and havent looked back since.

If you register and only allow registered users join you have low chance of running into idiots, whom you can then add to ignore list.

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Originally posted by Absurd90:
There arent any. I dont understand people who still use MWS, I switched years ago and havent looked back since.

If you register and only allow registered users join you have low chance of running into idiots, whom you can then add to ignore list.

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Maybe I'll give Cockatrice a spin, then. How's the interface?

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Originally posted by GenghisTom:
Why is Green Sun's Zenith banned in Modern?

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Playing 8x Thrun is too stronk

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Why is Green Sun's Zenith banned in Modern?

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Originally posted by GenghisTom:
I can see the logic in GSZ dominating most green colored strategies in any given format.
Was it banned after this was proven? Or was it a pre-emptive banning like Deathrite Shaman and Bitterblossom?

What are the chances they'll unban it do you think?

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Almost all green decks in PT Philly run 4 GSZ. It is a card that allows you to play 8 Cat/Noble/Tarmo/Knight in your deck and too good to be banned.

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Originally posted by GenghisTom:
I can see the logic in GSZ dominating most green colored strategies in any given format.
Was it banned after this was proven? Or was it a pre-emptive banning like Deathrite Shaman and Bitterblossom?

What are the chances they'll unban it do you think?

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