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Originally posted by Troll:
I posted a question on the value forums about thinking about getting rid of my Chains of Mephistopheles. They have gone up a lot, I rarely play mine and am thinking about trying to trade up to something big.

I only play multi-player EDH and occasionally Legacy. I think I want a Library of Alexandria. Does anyone think there's a chance it will be unbanned in EDH. I don't understand why it's banned. Control decks usually don't fare well in 4 person games and it's only 1 card out of 99. Chances are slim it will be drawn and be active in a game. Is it the price barrier that keeps it out of EDH?

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Have you ever actually played with LOA before? The card is insane and, while the chances of you drawing it early on are slim, it will dominate any game where it is in your opening seven.

While I don't agree with it, there's also the cost consideration. I don't think that's really relevant here though, as power level concerns are what's driving the decision to keep it banned.

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Originally posted by iccarus:
Have you ever actually played with LOA before? The card is insane and, while the chances of you drawing it early on are slim, it will dominate any game where it is in your opening seven.

While I don't agree with it, there's also the cost consideration. I don't think that's really relevant here though, as power level concerns are what's driving the decision to keep it banned.

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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
My local playgroup unbanned it. It's solid, it's quite good in multiplayer EDH but it's nothing that needs to be banned. I never understood the rational for banning LOA but leaving imperial seal, tabernacle, workshop. I think it's banned and an unban would spike the price.

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Tabernacle and Workshop only work in specific types of decks. Seal is a bad Vampiric Tutor and is not an auto-include, outside of mainly combo decks.

LoA, on the other hand, would go in just about every deck, since it requires no real special effort to build around. Much like Sol Ring, every list would start with LoA on the list. That can create a real issue since there are obviously a lot more players than copies available and the price would easily triple overnight with an unbanning. While I think power level is a much bigger component of its banning, I'm pretty sure the value issue holds some sway as well.

If your group wants to house rule it in, that's fine and well within the spirit of the format. I just wouldn't count on it being official at any point in the near future. I would argue Sol Ring has a better chance of getting banned in the format than LoA has of coming off the list.

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Tabernacle and Workshop only work in specific types of decks. Seal is a bad Vampiric Tutor and is not an auto-include, outside of mainly combo decks.

LoA, on the other hand, would go in just about every deck, since it requires no real special effort to build around. Much like Sol Ring, every list would start with LoA on the list. That can create a real issue since there are obviously a lot more players than copies available and the price would easily triple overnight with an unbanning. While I think power level is a much bigger component of its banning, I'm pretty sure the value issue holds some sway as well.

If your group wants to house rule it in, that's fine and well within the spirit of the format. I just wouldn't count on it being official at any point in the near future. I would argue Sol Ring has a better chance of getting banned in the format than LoA has of coming off the list.

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Not really sure I agree with that. You can't necessarily take cost into consideration with the banned list (otherwise the cards mentioned above get banned).

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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
Always bothered me you could play crypt/sol ring but not LOA.

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Originally posted by Pail42:
The EDH banned list is really strange when it comes to old "power" cards. Sol Ring is "better" than almost everything on the banned list yet it's okay because ... it's cheap and everybody can play it?

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
Mana Crypt is a zero-cost sol ring and is also not banned. It's not particularly cheap anymore either. Thankfully I got the shiney judge foil so I don't need to play with the ugly old one.

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
Mana Crypt is a zero-cost sol ring and is also not banned. It's not particularly cheap anymore either. Thankfully I got the shiney judge foil so I don't need to play with the ugly old one.

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What exactly is a broker for getting cards signed now via mail? I do not understand what this is.

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Magic Origins

I hope we get new versions of all 5 walkers, especially Gideon & Liliana

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I don't see how they could justify reprints in a set like this. Lliliana at least has brand new art.

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Originally posted by Pail42:
As far as I can tell, the only non-set promo that's ever been reprinted was Arena. You're probably pretty safe on that Mana Crypt.

I think Mana Drain has fairly high reprint potential in a FTV style product.

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As far as I can tell, the only non-set promo that's ever been reprinted was Arena. You're probably pretty safe on that Mana Crypt.

I think Mana Drain has fairly high reprint potential in a FTV style product.

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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
FTV Drain probably wouldn't destroy Legends drain value. People hate the FTV foiling process. Judge foil drain probably wouldn't even destroy drain value.

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They are not going to reprint mana drain. R and d has continuously stated they would not. They'entire r and d team would have to hit by a bus before Theyd reprint mana drain.

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They are not going to reprint mana drain. R and d has continuously stated they would not. They'entire r and d team would have to hit by a bus before Theyd reprint mana drain.

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I remember that quote though I wonder if it's a context thing. Like "reprint in a standard legal set"

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Definitely a context thing. The statement exists as part of a joke on the WotC site. It's hyperbole and probably shouldn't be taken as anything other than "not in standard".

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Definitely a context thing. The statement exists as part of a joke on the WotC site. It's hyperbole and probably shouldn't be taken as anything other than "not in standard".

https://www.wizards.com/magic/expert/Legends/Legends.asp

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Just word of caution do not buy anything from sinweap on eBay. If you do not purchase tracking from him he will not send and he has it written in his descriptions that we as buyers agree that we will not open a case if we don't receive the item if we don't purchase tracking. He has been extremely rude about it the whole time.

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it's ebay, open a dispute anyway and you'll get your money back.

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it's ebay, open a dispute anyway and you'll get your money back.

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