They 'look' about right but at least 2 of them don't 'feel' right. Like they are counterfeit or have some sort of clear coat on them. I've only felt something like this once and that was those fake badlands i ran across but those were all sorts of messed up. this i can't tell for sure.

scans of all 4
http://imgur.com/RfsMDMH
http://imgur.com/sBnkLAw

1 by itself easier to see
http://imgur.com/FXJElCn
http://imgur.com/3YMoCZK

about the only difference i'm "seeing" between these and my 4 i already owned is in the inside teal border there is extra yellow in the bb ones

anyone have opinions?

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Originally posted by jamestosetti:
It looks like someone painted white dots where there are normally white print areas in the corners. These definitely don't look right.

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Ya. They painted on the black border then afterward put the white dots back on them to better mimic beta. I knew they were painted. I'm concerned whether they are real unlimited or counterfeit. They 'look' real...but at least 2 of them feel different than I'd expect. Others have said real but I'm not 100% sold yet (which is important since I have to decide whether to file an ebay claim).

http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/MyMonocle/MTG/N_N_POWER_ID001_zpsifj5m3yd.jpg

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Originally posted by TheGambler:
Hey, I don't mean to hijack the thread. I got a question about print patterns. I just got 2 Underground Seas in. One has the the circular dots, the other has more of a ninja-star pattern. I don't know if it's just a slight variable from the old machines or if it's a sign of a fakey.

[URL=http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/MyMonocle/MTG/N_N_POWER_ID001_zpsifj5m3yd.jpg]http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/MyMonocle/MTG/N_N_POWER_ID001_zpsifj5m3yd.jpg[/ URL]

Here's a 1200 scan of them. If you get a chance to look and see I would love your input.

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i dont mind looking but when i try and zoom in on that it gets fuzzy.

Here is a quote from someone else on that stuff
"the pattern does not look the same over the entire surface of the card. The rosette circles will be most clearly visible in areas of the card that use all of the color layers. The rosettes will be least visible in areas of the card that use only one color layer. A single color layer will just look like a grid of dots. The rest of the card where only some of the color layers are used will have partial rosettes, which the eye usually picks up as different patterns. I've heard them described as C's, ninja stars, snowflakes, etc. People see a lot of different things, it just depends on how your eye is adjusted. Sometimes it's difficult to focus through a loupe, which is one of the reasons a good scanner is better. "

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Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
i dont mind looking but when i try and zoom in on that it gets fuzzy.

Here is a quote from someone else on that stuff
"the pattern does not look the same over the entire surface of the card. The rosette circles will be most clearly visible in areas of the card that use all of the color layers. The rosettes will be least visible in areas of the card that use only one color layer. A single color layer will just look like a grid of dots. The rest of the card where only some of the color layers are used will have partial rosettes, which the eye usually picks up as different patterns. I've heard them described as C's, ninja stars, snowflakes, etc. People see a lot of different things, it just depends on how your eye is adjusted. Sometimes it's difficult to focus through a loupe, which is one of the reasons a good scanner is better. "

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Originally posted by TheGambler:
Thank you! That's exactly the info I was looking for.

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I aim to please.

We should meet up some time since we're 2-3 hours apart. Do some sweet trading

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Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
I aim to please.

We should meet up some time since we're 2-3 hours apart. Do some sweet trading

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Originally posted by TheGambler:
My collection is pretty small now. I just do some collecting/trading/selling for fun. I used to play with my group of friends but we haven't done much since about 2008-ish. If I ever get back into it I'd definitely be interested in meeting some new folks. I bet it would rekindle that excitement.

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Well since Chicago has lots of large events (including an SCG Open this Summer I think) I bet there are good opportunities to meet other MOTL members

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Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
i dont mind looking but when i try and zoom in on that it gets fuzzy.

Here is a quote from someone else on that stuff
"the pattern does not look the same over the entire surface of the card. The rosette circles will be most clearly visible in areas of the card that use all of the color layers. The rosettes will be least visible in areas of the card that use only one color layer. A single color layer will just look like a grid of dots. The rest of the card where only some of the color layers are used will have partial rosettes, which the eye usually picks up as different patterns. I've heard them described as C's, ninja stars, snowflakes, etc. People see a lot of different things, it just depends on how your eye is adjusted. Sometimes it's difficult to focus through a loupe, which is one of the reasons a good scanner is better. "

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Just for the record, zooming in on 1200 dpi photos on photobucket's website doesn't work.

**The photos they host are still 1200 dpi, though, so all you need to do is download them and open them in a photo viewing program. Works like a charm.**

Took me a while to figure this out so I thought I'd post on here, as we seem to be looking at a number of high resolution photos.

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Originally posted by spike777:
Just for the record, zooming in on 1200 dpi photos on photobucket's website doesn't work.

**The photos they host are still 1200 dpi, though, so all you need to do is download them and open them in a photo viewing program. Works like a charm.**

Took me a while to figure this out so I thought I'd post on here, as we seem to be looking at a number of high resolution photos.

Hope this helps!

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Thanks, that super helps! I believed they were 1200 dpi but was confused why it did that. that's why i always tell people to ur imgur . a lot of those other sites don't work well or are inaccessible on my work computer.

thanks for sharing!

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Originally posted by slurpee:
Had any of these supposed Canada fakes come into your hands? Curious how they feel, shine. Seem to be better then the China ones, from word on the street

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So, they have not. Can you provide me more details whether links to discussion or just detail more 'word on the street'?

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Originally posted by slurpee:
I think the reason they took a long time is that they were not cheap for proxy standards. 12.00 a card I heard in some cases so yeah I would hope they would be really good for that kind of money.

I to am looking for someone who has touched these as the scans look fine, but so do the others, but when you reflect the light it may be the glossy and feel to them.

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Do you have actually have access to 600+ DPI scans? I am also interested in learning what to look out for with these.

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Originally posted by slurpee:
Had any of these supposed Canada fakes come into your hands? Curious how they feel, shine. Seem to be better then the China ones, from word on the street

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As anti counterfeit head, some of our members have indeed seen and felt these Canada fakes, one which was provided to Lion.

These are indeed better than Delson fakes ( China) and made by a certain individual in Quebec , can't disclose any more ( ongoing WOTC case).

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send me a request on Facebook , I will add you- Onar Bargior ( head admin)

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Originally posted by slurpee:
can you comment on the feel or glossiness that the China ones seem to have problems with?

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the feel is more normal.

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Originally posted by DJSmurfy:
Looks like that Etsy seller has restocked, and lowered prices.

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