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Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
unfortunately all these people who left positive feedback etc all have counterfeit cards and don't know

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=mindslaver47&ftab=A llFeedback

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I found a guy openly selling proxies here. From my untrained eye I can see the noticeable difference in the back of the cards, specifically the black borders. I'm not sure I'd notice immediately that the fronts were fake, if I didn't know ahead of time (like I said though, my eye isn't professional caliber on this).

Anyways I see two issues with this.
#1, the guy is making money off copyrighted material.
#2, this is just more counterfeit cards in the world of MTG. These cards may change hands many times and one day I might wind up with one somehow or another.

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Originally posted by TheGambler:
I suppose I could contact WotC but I'm not sure it'd be worth it.

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It is worth it. While eBay doesn't really care, Wizards/Hasbro definitely do.

investigations@wizards.com

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Originally posted by TheGambler:
http://www.ebay.com/usr/mtg-proxy?_trksid=p2047675.l2559

I found a guy openly selling proxies here. From my untrained eye I can see the noticeable difference in the back of the cards, specifically the black borders. I'm not sure I'd notice immediately that the fronts were fake, if I didn't know ahead of time (like I said though, my eye isn't professional caliber on this).

Anyways I see two issues with this.
#1, the guy is making money off copyrighted material.
#2, this is just more counterfeit cards in the world of MTG. These cards may change hands many times and one day I might wind up with one somehow or another.

I reported him to Ebay. Maybe you guys can do the same. I'm not sure what else to do on this. I suppose I could contact WotC but I'm not sure it'd be worth it.

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Originally posted by TheGambler:
http://www.ebay.com/usr/mtg-proxy?_trksid=p2047675.l2559

I found a guy openly selling proxies here. From my untrained eye I can see the noticeable difference in the back of the cards, specifically the black borders. I'm not sure I'd notice immediately that the fronts were fake, if I didn't know ahead of time (like I said though, my eye isn't professional caliber on this).

Anyways I see two issues with this.
#1, the guy is making money off copyrighted material.
#2, this is just more counterfeit cards in the world of MTG. These cards may change hands many times and one day I might wind up with one somehow or another.

I reported him to Ebay. Maybe you guys can do the same. I'm not sure what else to do on this. I suppose I could contact WotC but I'm not sure it'd be worth it.

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First of all China and Alibaba; The Database was able to identify 4 accounts on tabaoo(the main part of Alibaba and Aliexpress to one supplier in east China down to city and province. I made a report to WOTC so will see how that goes.

Second: The fakes with the artifact error was linked to a ebay account in the Southwestern USA. It seems he got it from unknown guy and tried to make profit. Currently removing his Facebook account from MTG online trading groups on Facebook.

Will contact RC and go from there

Dual Lands - Front
Dual Lands - Back

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Originally posted by chaos021:
I was hoping some of you could help me with fake checking. I have scans of some dual lands that I recently acquired. Does anyone notice anything out of place? I've done what I can to compare them with dual lands other people know are real, but there aren't many in my area.

Dual Lands - Front
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Without putting my hands on them, it's hard to be 100%. Pictures can only show so much. That said, the grime and wear look real. I've tried rough shuffling, and various grits of sandpaper on my fakes to test how easy it would be to fake wear, and I have found that nothing I've done really replicates "real" wear and tear. On those eBay auctions discussed above, the cards with "wear" on them were VERY clearly faked.

Also, the mana symbols on those are all correct. One thing to look for on fakes is modern mana symbols on old cards.

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Originally posted by chaos021:
I was hoping some of you could help me with fake checking. I have scans of some dual lands that I recently acquired. Does anyone notice anything out of place? I've done what I can to compare them with dual lands other people know are real, but there aren't many in my area.

Dual Lands - Front
Dual Lands - Back

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Originally posted by DJSmurfy:
I whipped up a small album comparing some of the things I mentioned. These examples are for UNL cards, but they may be of some help.

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That's awesome. Thanks!

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Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
and to be clear what he is showing there is that in the mana symbol real cards have dots while fakes have the rosette pattern that should not be in the mana symbol but should be elsewhere. also if he zoomed in better on the white border on chinese fakes it would show specs of color that should not be there

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Originally posted by DJSmurfy:
I tried, but my phone wouldn't pick the pattern up.

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it's ok, i'll give you a pass

Edit:
Btw, I love your stats:

Date Registered: April 08, 2000
Total Posts: 1648
Confirmed References: 3

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Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
it's ok, i'll give you a pass

Edit:
Btw, I love your stats:

Date Registered: April 08, 2000
Total Posts: 1648
Confirmed References: 3

:-P

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I got ripped on an UNL Ancestral Recall way back when. Probably summer/fall of 2000 since I was still living with my parents. Kind of turned me off of trading for a while. Stupid me at the time deleted PM's after the trade was negotiated, and I was to ****ed to think straight about sending a BTA. I get very bitter when I see the price of Ancestrals now. I hope the guy choked on it.

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Originally posted by DJSmurfy:
I got ripped on an UNL Ancestral Recall way back when. Probably summer/fall of 2000 since I was still living with my parents. Kind of turned me off of trading for a while. Stupid me at the time deleted PM's after the trade was negotiated, and I was to ****ed to think straight about sending a BTA. I get very bitter when I see the price of Ancestrals now. I hope the guy choked on it.

When I did try trading again here, I got ripped *again*, for stupid crap, like a Revised Wrath of God (Probably 2011/12 or so). I honestly just have not had much luck trading here. Funny, how out of almost 900 cards traded out on Pucatrade, and 600 received, *one* package has gone missing.

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The worst problem I've ever had on here was buying:
1 lightning bolt beta
1 bayou
2 plateau
4 savannah
2 scrubland
4 badlands
2 taiga

Sent via paypal. cards never got sent. won the case via paypal but the account had been cleaned out and never got the money back.
http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/004157.html

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Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
The worst problem I've ever had on here was buying:
1 lightning bolt beta
1 bayou
2 plateau
4 savannah
2 scrubland
4 badlands
2 taiga

Sent via paypal. cards never got sent. won the case via paypal but the account had been cleaned out and never got the money back.
http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/004157.html

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Originally posted by dwiz:
This is why paypal gift should never be used. That and paying the 4% cost of business fee for the seller has made this venue die.

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Originally posted by dwiz:
This is why paypal gift should never be used. That and paying the 4% cost of business fee for the seller has made this venue die.

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ok well here is a tip (only "working" if you use paying for an Item 90% and I cannot garantee it will work)

as I got the same problem but 6 month ago ...

I contacted paypal as soon as I realized it was gettin' sticky for my cards and let them know that I made a mistake by choosing "paying gift to family" ... and that they can clearly see that 90%+ of the payments I sent were via the "paying for an Item" .... and that I just realize now that I made this mistake when I try to claim for a REFUND but I cannot see the REFUND OPTION so I just realize my mistake

They did accept to change it for me to "Paying for an Item" ... then I just claimed my refund ... simple

hope it helps some people getting back their money from scammers

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Originally posted by mnDiff:

ok well here is a tip (only "working" if you use paying for an Item 90% and I cannot garantee it will work)

as I got the same problem but 6 month ago ...

I contacted paypal as soon as I realized it was gettin' sticky for my cards and let them know that I made a mistake by choosing "paying gift to family" ... and that they can clearly see that 90%+ of the payments I sent were via the "paying for an Item" .... and that I just realize now that I made this mistake when I try to claim for a REFUND but I cannot see the REFUND OPTION so I just realize my mistake

They did accept to change it for me to "Paying for an Item" ... then I just claimed my refund ... simple

hope it helps some people getting back their money from scammers

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Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
where were you in 2006?

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into Music business ... ;-)))

left mtg in 1996 and got back in mid 2010

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Originally posted by mnDiff:
into Music business ... ;-)))

left mtg in 1996 and got back in mid 2010

whish I could help you back in 2006 ;-)

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