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Topic: Post for Magic Stuff part 60!
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caquaa Member
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posted September 12, 2011 10:59 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by Mr.C: Is that good?
http://tinyurl.com/3rvkjof seems so
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Mr.C Member
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posted September 12, 2011 11:22 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by caquaa: http://tinyurl.com/3rvkjofseems so
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skizzikmonger Member
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posted September 12, 2011 11:36 PM

quote: Originally posted by choco man: I'm pretty sure you're not a moron. But calls for reprints solely on price are moronic and selfish and belong on MTGS.
No, not wanting cards reprinted for any reason is selfish and belongs on MTGS. Can you point out where I said I can't afford the cards I want reprinted? I can afford them. I can easily buy a set of goyfs, or Confidants and stuff or a bunch of shock duals within the next 3-6 weeks, but that's me. Newer players, and players who don't have the money to buy these cards can't. Reprinting them not only helps these players get ahold of them cheaper and easier, it also makes getting more than 3-4 cards at one time cheaper and easier. I can afford Goyfs, but I'd like to save some money so I can buy other cards at the same time.
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yukizora Member
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posted September 13, 2011 01:39 AM

quote: Originally posted by skizzikmonger: No, not wanting cards reprinted for any reason is selfish and belongs on MTGS.Can you point out where I said I can't afford the cards I want reprinted? I can afford them. I can easily buy a set of goyfs, or Confidants and stuff or a bunch of shock duals within the next 3-6 weeks, but that's me. Newer players, and players who don't have the money to buy these cards can't. Reprinting them not only helps these players get ahold of them cheaper and easier, it also makes getting more than 3-4 cards at one time cheaper and easier. I can afford Goyfs, but I'd like to save some money so I can buy other cards at the same time.
^^ THIS ^^ I have 2 legacy decks and could afford a full P9 too if I wanted. Though, I'd rather take the $2k loss and have a better legacy scene. Sorry, he's not crazy...
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caquaa Member
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posted September 13, 2011 01:44 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by yukizora:
Though, I'd rather take the $2k loss and have a better legacy scene.
well then, I have an elegant solution. Give me your legacy deck, you'll be out 2k, and there will be a better legacy scene because I'll have a legacy deck 
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Goaswerfraiejen Member
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posted September 13, 2011 07:44 AM

quote: Originally posted by Zakman86: Misstep warps the format in much the same way that Mystical Tutor and Survival did.
Neither really warped the format. Mystical Tutor was great in storm combo, but it was in Reanimator that it was the all-star, and it made Reanimator the #1 deck. Reanimator was still perfectly beatable, though. Mystical Tutor was axed before it really had the chance to be shown to warp anything. As for Survival... it warped nothing prior to Vengevine's printing. Really, it was Vengevine that warped the format. Misstep is incredibly widely played at the moment, but it hasn't led to any one deck becoming dominant over all the others. It's a very good card, probably on a par with Tarmogoyf when it was printed (it's still incredibly good, but has lost a little lustre what with the format's increase in overall power level). Goyf too was incredibly widely played for many months after its printing (often in places where it had no business being played, like Merfolk or Goblins), but it didn't lead to any one deck dominating everything. As far as I'm concerned, the kind of warp that's due to wide play is far less pernicious than the kind of warp that sees one or two decks dominating everything.
quote: Originally posted by caquaa: funny, all treasures did was increase the price on these cards because a dealer was buying them for wotc (SCG I think).
What I meant was that it was a pretty cool idea for distributing the cards, and increased pack sales a ton. As I said, it was a good idea, but had its limits--one of those limits being that the cards weren't being printed, but were instead being bought from the secondary market at inflated prices. Another being that their distribution seems to have been minuscule, which is too bad.
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choco man Member
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posted September 13, 2011 09:28 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by skizzikmonger: No, not wanting cards reprinted for any reason is selfish and belongs on MTGS.
I said reprints for the right reasons are fine. I said price is the wrong reason. So far, price is the only reason you gave.
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gcowhsu Member
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posted September 13, 2011 09:49 AM
  
I'm pretty sure if they reprint the cards you want printed as mythics they are going to go up rather than down. They would have to reprint them as rares in order to go down in value.I doubt the slight increase supply would out weigh the demand if duals/forces/goyfs/wasteland hit standard. Not to mention the new cards would be all NM, be black bordered, and could get better art. If goyf or tombstalker get reprinted as mythics in innistrad block because they are solid cards and interact well with the graveyard their value is going to go up. Tombstalker may stay the same/go down since black looks like it doesn't even exist in standard, but goyf is going to go up.
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eXtremeEagle Member
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posted September 13, 2011 10:29 AM
  
IMO, Mental Misstep's format-warping isn't just creating one deck that's better than all others. Misstep's presence influences the entire meta. When you sit down to decide what deck to play or how to build, Misstep's presence looms heavily over those decisions. If you consider playing a deck that relies more on 1-drops than most, you probably think twice about it. You don't want to be playing 43-land against Zoo game two and have your Manabond Misstep'ed.__________________ The only thing necessary for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing.
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gaeacradle Member
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posted September 13, 2011 10:29 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by choco man: I said reprints for the right reasons are fine. I said price is the wrong reason. So far, price is the only reason you gave.
This is how I look at it: 1) Modern was created as an eternal format where WOTC can reprint any cards they want. 2) The reprints of staples are geared toward increasingly supply rather than because cards are too expensive. The cards are too expensive because the supply is low relative to the demand. However, reprinting caused cards to go down, which make people think that these reprints only happen because of the high prices. 3) That being said, the reprints do need to make sense. Goyf should not be printed. People will figure out how to maximize him as much as possible. Dark Confidant should be reprinted since it requires a whole deck to build around him, and Standard may not have enough options. Shocklands should be reprinted, because they are just mana-producing lands and are required to run multi-color decks. Onslaught fetchlands should be reprinted to increase the supply of those cards for the newer players. And on and on and on.
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Bagbokk Member
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posted September 13, 2011 10:36 AM

I know my posts on the last page were TLDR, but there is absolutely no reason why reprints must be in one of the new blocks or be standard legal. See FTV. They don't necessarily have to be foil, have new art, or be black bordered, either. I guess there might be some issues with copyright on the older art, forcing the reprints to have new art, but that's a minimal change.Not really worth debating the rest of this topic. It's become more or less like politics, where people are just on one side or the other and aren't going to persuaded for any reason. 
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rats60 Member
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posted September 13, 2011 10:56 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by gaeacradle: This is how I look at it: 1) Modern was created as an eternal format where WOTC can reprint any cards they want. 2) The reprints of staples are geared toward increasingly supply rather than because cards are too expensive. The cards are too expensive because the supply is low relative to the demand. However, reprinting caused cards to go down, which make people think that these reprints only happen because of the high prices. 3) That being said, the reprints do need to make sense. Goyf should not be printed. People will figure out how to maximize him as much as possible. Dark Confidant should be reprinted since it requires a whole deck to build around him, and Standard may not have enough options. Shocklands should be reprinted, because they are just mana-producing lands and are required to run multi-color decks. Onslaught fetchlands should be reprinted to increase the supply of those cards for the newer players. And on and on and on.
I don't see Onslaught fetches being reprinted because you have the Zen ones. Everything else is spot on.
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wayne Member
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posted September 13, 2011 11:08 AM
  
Quite depressing to lose to a 4 colour draft deck while being stuck on 3 lands
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coasterdude84 Member
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posted September 13, 2011 12:17 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by eXtremeEagle: IMO, Mental Misstep's format-warping isn't just creating one deck that's better than all others. Misstep's presence influences the entire meta. When you sit down to decide what deck to play or how to build, Misstep's presence looms heavily over those decisions. If you consider playing a deck that relies more on 1-drops than most, you probably think twice about it. You don't want to be playing 43-land against Zoo game two and have your Manabond Misstep'ed.
So does Wasteland for that matter, yet I certainly wouldn't call IT a problem. However, I believe Misstep to be a calculated move by Wizards to intentionally slow down Legacy, and I think it's great. By targetting the 1-drops, it encourages players to play with higher cc cards. Does it suck getting Misstepped, yes, but no more than FoW or Daze. If you're losing to a turn 1 or 2 Misstep, you're doing something wrong. By the way, my favorite thing to Misstep? Brainstorm.
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Goaswerfraiejen Member
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posted September 13, 2011 02:01 PM

quote: Originally posted by coasterdude84: So does Wasteland for that matter, yet I certainly wouldn't call IT a problem. However, I believe Misstep to be a calculated move by Wizards to intentionally slow down Legacy, and I think it's great. By targetting the 1-drops, it encourages players to play with higher cc cards. Does it suck getting Misstepped, yes, but no more than FoW or Daze. If you're losing to a turn 1 or 2 Misstep, you're doing something wrong.
Wasteland is exactly what I had in mind. Thanks for mentioning it! quote:
By the way, my favorite thing to Misstep? Brainstorm.
Objectively speaking, it's probably the single best Misstep-move you can make. I love it too, and having it done to me is just awful. 
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gaeacradle Member
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posted September 13, 2011 03:29 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by rats60: I don't see Onslaught fetches being reprinted because you have the Zen ones. Everything else is spot on.
Yeah, I considered that as well. With ZEN fetches and shocklands, you shouldn't need the reprint of the ONS fetches. However, I think the format would benefit from just more supply (as you know players are hoarding the ZEN fetches), and greater deck building option. For instance, R/G Blood Moon would LOVE Wooded Foothills instead of fetching for Stomping Ground.
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caquaa Member
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posted September 13, 2011 03:34 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by gaeacradle: as you know players are hoarding the ZEN fetches
we need to. Trading needs a currency so when I want something you have and you want nothing I have, you can trade for a fetch. It used to be birds of paradise and wrath of god were the currency for the longest time, but things have changed. I think zen fetches are some of the most stable cards we can hope to use as trade bait.
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rats60 Member
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posted September 13, 2011 04:12 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by caquaa: we need to. Trading needs a currency so when I want something you have and you want nothing I have, you can trade for a fetch. It used to be birds of paradise and wrath of god were the currency for the longest time, but things have changed. I think zen fetches are some of the most stable cards we can hope to use as trade bait.
Actually, it used to be Revised Duals.
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-PoX- Member
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posted September 13, 2011 04:50 PM

quote: Originally posted by caquaa: Trading needs a currency
I believe they call this currency "money". It also has free shipping!
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caquaa Member
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posted September 13, 2011 05:09 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by -PoX-: I believe they call this currency "money". It also has free shipping!
and is also banned in most stores and large events w/ dealers. Sure some will operate under the table, but often times its not worth it. Also cash has a definite value, where value on cards is subjective. Its why trading can be so fun.
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choco man Member
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posted September 14, 2011 11:12 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by caquaa: and is also banned in most stores and large events w/ dealers. Sure some will operate under the table, but often times its not worth it. Also cash has a definite value, where value on cards is subjective. Its why trading can be so fun.
If it's a big event with dealers' tables, you can always buylist value the crap you know you can't move and you don't want. Let's be honest, people who turn down cash or offers that are practically cash don't really want to trade.
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caquaa Member
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posted September 15, 2011 03:33 AM
  
step 1) Purchase precon deckstep 2) Remove Fetch land step 3) List on ebay for more then purchase price step 4) Profit!!!! Also, I had ~$280 of stuff someone wants in the T/A forum but they cancel the deal because I asked them to cover paypal fees. Sound shady?
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Bagbokk Member
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posted September 15, 2011 08:10 AM

quote: Also, I had ~$280 of stuff someone wants in the T/A forum but they cancel the deal because I asked them to cover paypal fees. Sound shady?
Not really, unless there's something else that makes them shady besides just not wanting to cover paypal fees.
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wayne Member
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posted September 15, 2011 09:08 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by caquaa: step 1) Purchase precon deckstep 2) Remove Fetch land step 3) List on ebay for more then purchase price step 4) Profit!!!! Also, I had ~$280 of stuff someone wants in the T/A forum but they cancel the deal because I asked them to cover paypal fees. Sound shady?
Which precon decks are those?
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yakusoku Member
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posted September 15, 2011 09:13 AM

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Which precon decks are those?
Wizards started making Event Decks - preconstructed decks you can play in FNM. They release two at a time and there was a red deck that included Goblin Guide (paired with an forgettable second deck) and a white deck that included Stoneforge Mystic (paired with another forgettable second deck). The most current one includes a fetchland, as well as Dismembers, Kalastria Highborn, and Bloodghast. It definitely sells sealed with the fetchland for less than $33. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Everyone, when in doubt, Read The {censored} Card. Friend1: "You have 5 cards in your graveyard, but Karador still costs 3 mana..." Friend2: "Yes, I tapped an Orzhove Basilica; it produces BW." {...} Friend3: "I play Rancor on my Plant token from Khalni Garden. That makes it a 2/1." Friend1: "It's a 3/1." Friend3: "No, it's a 2/1. It starts off as a 0/1." Me: "You're 0 for 2 with lands tonight. STOP." {...} Friend1: "I play Green Sun's Zenith for 0, get Dryad Arbor and cast Wild Nacatl." Me: "No, you don't." Friend1: "Yes, I do. It's a forest, so it taps for a green mana." Me: "Yes, but it's got summoning sickness." Friend1: "It clearly states on the card it is NOT affected by summoning sickness." Me: "No, it explicitly states in the reminder text it IS affected by summoning sickness. Trust me, I play with this card WAY more than you. It's a card that gets played every iteration of V#CB. You can't attack with it the first turn; it doesn't have haste. You're 0 for 3 tonight."
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