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Topic: Post for Magic Stuff part 60!
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Lord Crovax
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posted September 18, 2011 03:58 PM
      
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Originally posted by Speed Demon:
Please tell me the flaw in my logic.
Price Tag, which is what I assume most will bring up, Goyf as Mythic wouldn't make a dent in it's price, to contrary he would prob go up in value (Being mythic and in t2 again) With that said, if they do end up reprinting chase modern/legacy rares, I want them as Mythics, otherwise 20-80buck cards will suddenly be worth 5-10 and we shall see markets crash... __________________
I shall have the souls of all who defy me. "Lord Crovax"
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Speed Demon
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posted September 18, 2011 04:05 PM
But.. wait, then isn't it a win/win for wizards?Secondary markets don't cry.
Wizards gets people to buy more packs. Win/Win.
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gaeacradle
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posted September 18, 2011 04:05 PM
 
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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
With that said, if they do end up reprinting chase modern/legacy rares, I want them as Mythics, otherwise 20-80buck cards will suddenly be worth 5-10 and we shall see markets crash...
What is this market crash? A handful of cards seeing their values decrease by 30-40%? To Speed Demon, if you reprint the staples as mythics, their prices will go through the roof, completely negating what WOTC want to do (increase supply to decrease price). Plus, mana producing lands should never be mythic. There is nothing powerful or unique about them.
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thror
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posted September 18, 2011 04:14 PM
STOP trying to tell people dual lands should be mythic rares. From Rosewaters' original announcement about them, directly quoted:"We've also decided that there are certain things we specifically do not want to be mythic rares. The largest category is utility cards, what I'll define as cards that fill a universal function. Some examples of this category would be cycles of dual lands and cards like Mutavault or Char." __________________
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coasterdude84
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posted September 18, 2011 04:33 PM
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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
Except pain lands at their best were never close to what shocks where at their lowest...
I don't see why their market value should make any difference. We've already explored how standard cards had never breached $20 before the past couple years, so when we consider the post-Apocalypse Type 2, the painlands were among the top money cards. It's all relative.
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rayragnarok
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posted September 18, 2011 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by thror:
STOP trying to tell people dual lands should be mythic rares. From Rosewaters' original announcement about them, directly quoted:"We've also decided that there are certain things we specifically do not want to be mythic rares. The largest category is utility cards, what I'll define as cards that fill a universal function. Some examples of this category would be cycles of dual lands and cards like Mutavault or Char."
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Malroth
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posted September 18, 2011 06:27 PM
As for creating awesome cards and starting them at mythic part of the argument (as opposed to reprints as mythics), I shall cite the price of Jace 2.0, especially at its peak. And how much would Zendikar fetchlands be if THEY had started as mythic? If marginally playable (non staple) mythics like BSA and lotus cobra cost so much, what would a staple cost? That is the flaw in your logic.
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CubFan81
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posted September 18, 2011 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by coasterdude84:
As Bugger said, I think it far more likely that we'll see the shocks in M13, regardless of whether we return to Ravnica after Innistrad. When they originally announced the shocklands, they brought up the fact the names of them are generic, and not linked to any specific plane like the painlands were. This allows them to put them anywhere without continuity issues. And since they were originally in Ravnica in the first place, I find it unlikely they'd want to do the same thing again.
The only problem with this is WoTC's cater to the new player motive behind core sets. They've mentioned numerous times that while new players generally buy whichever set is newest, they prefer to have the Core sets as a jumping off point. All of their research has shown that newer players don't understand the concept of life as a resource even for mana and that's one of the reasons painlands, as perfectly balanced as they are, were taken out of the core sets (though I bet their names also played into it a bit.) Unless they have a change of heart like they did with all reprint Core sets, my guess is that if the shocklands make any kind of return it will be in a new expansion block. __________________
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AlmostGrown
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posted September 18, 2011 07:48 PM
I just got this PM.quote:
hey there
how about Vindicate (asian or english) for your
Watery Grave
Orim's Chant I havne't been trading for ages but vindicate is pretty highly valued i think atm
Clearly the last time he traded was 2010 or something for that to be even close to even.
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JoshSherman
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posted September 18, 2011 09:34 PM
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Originally posted by Bagbokk:
I've stopped using MOTL for years at a time and not a single person has ever brought up the fact that my last ref on the site would be from years ago (usually 3-4 years)
Some idiot tried to make me send first a couple years ago because I had a gap in refs. I told him to take a long walk off a short pier. Side note, I got my faux-pas mentals and Redacteds in the mail today.
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Kryne
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posted September 18, 2011 10:02 PM
So I've finally come around to MTGO...drafting is a blast, but I need help being frugal with my tickets. Is it possible to consistently grind out any kind of draft (8-4/4-3-2-2/swiss)?
I've gotten pretty consistent with Swiss over time, but winning that on a regular basis still makes things come out negative.
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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
I just got this PM.Clearly the last time he traded was 2010 or something for that to be even close to even.
Even with a (gross assumption) Japanese Vindicate?
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caquaa
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posted September 18, 2011 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by Kryne:
So I've finally come around to MTGO...drafting is a blast, but I need help being frugal with my tickets. Is it possible to consistently grind out any kind of draft (8-4/4-3-2-2/swiss)?
I've gotten pretty consistent with Swiss over time, but winning that on a regular basis still makes things come out negative.
Its easy, don't draft. I've had good runs where I've done well and opened swords and tezzerets in back to back drafts and gone up quite a few tix, but then you always get those random mull to 3 to see 1 land games and scrub no matter how good you are. Drafting is for fun, not to profit, not to break even. Swiss is where the terrible players play. I've played swiss once or twice cause it was the only thing w/ people que'd and its pretty much a joke. When you start drafting 8-4's you lose a good amount even if you are skilled. I'd say the best way to make tix or lose them less quickly would be to build a very solid standard deck or just build a commander deck.
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stizkidz
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posted September 19, 2011 05:37 AM
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Originally posted by JoshSherman:
Some idiot tried to make me send first a couple years ago because I had a gap in refs. I told him to take a long walk off a short pier.Side note, I got my faux-pas mentals and Redacteds in the mail today.
Happened to me too. Asked me to send first because I only had 100 refs compared to his 300.
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Iratei
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posted September 19, 2011 06:09 AM
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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
I just got this PM.Clearly the last time he traded was 2010 or something for that to be even close to even.
At least you didn't call me an idiot :P
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Theorian
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posted September 19, 2011 07:54 AM
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Originally posted by Kryne:
[B]So I've finally come around to MTGO...drafting is a blast, but I need help being frugal with my tickets. Is it possible to consistently grind out any kind of draft (8-4/4-3-2-2/swiss)?
I've gotten pretty consistent with Swiss over time, but winning that on a regular basis still makes things come out negative.
In my experience, being able to grind drafts on MTGO is similar to playing poker. Swiss is like penny-ante, where mostly worse players are, who are just looking to have fun and don't really try to play for profit. You can't even break even here unless you open a 2+ ticket rare/mythic. 4-3-2-2 drafts are like $.50-$1 tables, where mid-range players and new players working their way into competitive drafting run, and while you aren't going to make a serious profit, unless you have a good run on opening cards, over time if you consistently at least place in the top four you're going to at least break even. Luck is less of a factor here because there's only one round where bad draws can punish you. 8-4 drafts are like $2-$4 tables, where you start to see professionals, and amateurs trying to make it big. It's high risk/high reward, as luck is more of a factor because you have two rounds of bad draws, and your play skills needs to be higher to consistently win at least two rounds. Personally I have found 8-4 drafts to be streaky, where I got into the groove of winning/splitting 3-4 drafts and then losing until I ran out of packs.The factors I look at when deciding between 8-4's and 4-3-2-2's:
How comfortable am I with the format? If it's a new set, for a new pack has been added to a familiar set, then I will more than likely pick 4-3-2-2's over 8-4's.
How have I been running? If I have lost a few 8-4's, perhaps I should go back to 4-3-2-2's and reconsider my draft strategies.
How many good rares/mythics are in the set? Especially when a set just comes out and everyone is clamoring for new rares/mythics, I play 4-3-2-2's, as the chance of opening something good will negate the lower payouts.
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WeedIan
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posted September 19, 2011 06:29 PM
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Kryne
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posted September 19, 2011 07:23 PM
Thanks for the info guys...sure enough, it seems like while I win at swiss, I feel like king of the dummies, but I still don't have reliable (enough) wins anywhere else to go ad infinitum. I forgot they had commander on mtgo, that sounds like a good time. MY NEXT QUESTION: With everyone talking about when wizards will be reprinting shocks, I've gotten to wondering this--how far in advance are sets more or less finalized? Anyone have any wisdom/dailymtg articles I can't find about that? Edited, as grammar is 
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caquaa
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posted September 19, 2011 07:31 PM
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Originally posted by Kryne:
MY NEXT QUESTION: With everyone talking about when wizards will be reprinting shocks, I've gotten to wondering this--how far in advance are sets more or less finalized? Anyone have any wisdom/dailymtg articles I can't find about that?
well rosewater was talking about opening up innistrad packs about a month ago. Can check his twitter feed and some things sound sooo bad out of context:
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7:41 PM [@R]caquaa: [@K]I so wanted your fleshbag to abuse =(
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oneofchaos
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posted September 19, 2011 08:44 PM
Going to call 3 cards getting banned 3 getting unbanned.
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Ihateworking
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posted September 19, 2011 09:07 PM
I was hoping to see a major vintage change, I guess thats a pipedream.
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gaeacradle
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posted September 19, 2011 09:10 PM
Wow. I didn't expect Green Sun's Zenith to get banned in Modern at all.
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fluffycow
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posted September 19, 2011 09:12 PM
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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
Wow. I didn't expect Green Sun's Zenith to get banned in Modern at all.
I was shocked that ponder and preordain got banned, I thought they would just ax one. I also feel bad for all those people that overloaded themselves with mental misstep or worse...foil mental misstep, ouch
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gaeacradle
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posted September 19, 2011 09:15 PM
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Originally posted by fluffycow:
I was shocked that ponder and preordain got banned, I thought they would just ax one.I also feel bad for all those people that overloaded themselves with mental misstep or worse...foil mental misstep, ouch
Yeah, especially when they didn't unban Ancestral Vision. Out of the 2, I would have only banned Ponder. As for Mental Missteps, I got rid of my FOIL ones, but didn't get rid of my Japanese ones. Oh well.
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AlmostGrown
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posted September 19, 2011 09:16 PM
Yeah gaea, thanks  At least it did work for me the one time I got to play it. -sigh-
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Goaswerfraiejen
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posted September 19, 2011 09:32 PM
Ugh. I really liked Misstep's effect on the format, and was looking forward to the possibility of unbanning other 1-drops (like Mystical Tutor) as a result. Guess not. Plus, it was a brand-spanking-new card, and tailor-made for the format of super-powerful cards. Oh well. __________________
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