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Originally posted by choco man:
More crap

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What do you have against two creatures, a sorcery, and 10+ lands getting reprinted? The ONLY people reprinting these cards "hurts" is dealers, collectors, and morons who get upset over reprints.

Mine:
Icy manipulator EX
Nightmare EX
Bad moon EX
Shivan dragon FINE
All UNLIMITED
+20 dollars

-how about it?

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Originally posted by MasterWolf:
Alex Bertoncini is a cheater. It's well known on the circuit. SCG doesn't crack down on him because he's one of their "SCGOpen Stars".

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Care to extrapolate your experiences with him? o.o

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Originally posted by Kyosukee:
Care to extrapolate your experiences with him? o.o

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The Sower example listed above. He draws extra cards all the time. He's been DQ'd and punished at non-SCG events. For example, they say that if you're playing Goblin Guide, just assume he'll end up drawing at least 2-3 cards extra over the course of the game because it's so hard to keep track of how many GG triggers were in his favor.

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
More crap about how he can't afford cards for a game he wants to play.

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Not everything WOTC does is a cash-grab. M10 rules changes, Oracle updates, limiting From the Vault to brick and mortar stores, it goes on...I firmly believe that the invisible hand that guides MTG is the passion of the R&D team to keep MTG great, not greed. Hasbro has been smart enough to let them do their own thing for the most part.

Once again, I'm all for the right reprints at the right time. You blatantly complain that you want reprints solely for your own benefit of getting cards cheaply. It's pretty easy to spot people like you b/c all you talk about are reprinting shocks, goyf, bob, etc...when you should really be discussing reprints that aren't ALREADY in modern if you really cared about anything but getting cheap cards for yourself.

Dealers/collectors do get hurt. But how about when everyone who plays standard has to get playsets of shock-lands to be competitive? I promise you standard players will not have the luxury of fetches and be able to play 1-2 shocks of the colors they need/want. The same people who rant about price, when also rant then. Reprints solely on price hurt more than you think.

Look at Yu-Gi-Oh, every card over a certain dollar amount gets reprinted. I wonder if that game is thriving? If you have to reprint things on price, it handcuffs designers because they know that they are forced to reprint certain cards in a set. "Hey let's reprint fetchlands every set!" Why not just sell complete playsets of new sets for the price of booster boxes? Sorry, cards should/have to cost money. Sorry, expensive cards can't get reprinted everytime solely on price.

It is very short-sighted to honestly believe that lower-prices are generally a good thing. Deflation for example seems great to people who share a similar mindset like you (ie, "Yippee!!! More affordable prices for me!!!"). If prices are going to be depressed, are you really going to go make that big purchase that you want? No, you sit and wait until the prices go even lower. Businesses lose cash-flow and slash their prices even more. It's a simplified version but deflation is pretty serious.

You don't need Bob and Goyf to build a competitive deck. Even in older, more defined formats there are "budget" decks. Just play those?

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Originally posted by hilikuS:
In a completely new and fresh format like Modern, couldn't you conceivably get away with trying to build a "rogue" deck, with cards that aren't necessarily expensive? I mean, yeah that's not going to work forever, but it seems to me that the format is not only new enough, but diverse enough to come up with some at least serviceable budget deck. Thus solving the problem of "cards cost too much".

You don't need Bob and Goyf to build a competitive deck. Even in older, more defined formats there are "budget" decks. Just play those?

Grab some Magus of the Moon and beat 12 post.

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Originally posted by hilikuS:
Grab some Magus of the Moon and beat 12 post.

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Only problem is Through the Breach as well as the Overgrown Battlements that are likely already out.

I missed all the reprint discussion over the weekend but here are few points nobody mentioned...

1) What price is considered too high? Do we only reprint cards over $20 each? By which guide? What happens if 6 of the 10 Shocklands are over $20 but the other 4 sit at $12-$15?

2) When is the cut off? Let's say we agree that anything over $20 HAS to be reprinted. What happens when the decision is made to reprint it and in the mean time people metagame for it and the price drops to $10?

3) How do you release certain cards without messing up Standard? IF the solution is special releases (FTV, Duel Decks, Premium Decks, etc) then how do you guarantee stores won't just sell for a ridiculous markup? MSRP is Suggested Retail Price and the only retailers that adhere to it are placed like Walmart and Target. Then assuming you've managed to force brick and mortar stores to adhere to the MSRP what keeps people from buying up every box in stock and throwing them up on eBay? And how affordable did we just make Tarmogoyf if you can't find any Duel Deck that has it for less than $90?

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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
Anyone else think they may unban Survival and Mystical Tutor on Sept 20th?

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I very much doubt that.

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Originally posted by -PoX-:
I very much doubt that.

I vote Mind Twist! Woooo

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Black vice!

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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
Anyone else think they may unban Survival and Mystical Tutor on Sept 20th?

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I'd love to see both unbanned, but I suspect it won't happen any time soon. Of the two, I'd prefer to see Survival return, but I think that Mystical Tutor is more likely.

Also, I finally plugged in all the cards I want to keep (mostly just Legacy staples, a couple casual decks) into the Apathy House trade evaluator (thanks for the pointer, everyone), 20 at a time. It took forever, but I finally have a result: roughly 3667.67, give or take a bit for a few cards I may have accidentally left off, some altered art, FBBs, misprints, and artist-signed cards. 43% of that is concentrated in one deck. That's insane, especially considering that I acquired most ages ago at only a fraction of that cost. That's such a huge entry barrier; I'd love to see price-based reprints coming. Hidden treasure was a fantastic idea, but could only go so far.

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Originally posted by MasterWolf:
The Sower example listed above. He draws extra cards all the time. He's been DQ'd and punished at non-SCG events. For example, they say that if you're playing Goblin Guide, just assume he'll end up drawing at least 2-3 cards extra over the course of the game because it's so hard to keep track of how many GG triggers were in his favor.

I have never personally played against him. But more and more stuff keeps coming out about him.

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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
Anyone else think they may unban Survival and Mystical Tutor on Sept 20th?

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Originally posted by Zakman86:
I think it's more likely they ban Misstep.

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They might, but banning it in Legacy would be a really ridiculous move, IMO. And extremely unfortunate. While it's true that there are a ton of Missteps running around at present, I'm not convinced that it's a problem card. Besides, Misstep's presence makes it easier for Mystical Tutor to return!

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Originally posted by Goaswerfraiejen:
They might, but banning it in Legacy would be a really ridiculous move, IMO. And extremely unfortunate. While it's true that there are a ton of Missteps running around at present, I'm not convinced that it's a problem card. Besides, Misstep's presence makes it easier for Mystical Tutor to return!

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Originally posted by Goaswerfraiejen:
Hidden treasure was a fantastic idea, but could only go so far.

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Originally posted by Zakman86:
Misstep warps the format in much the same way that Mystical Tutor and Survival did.

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See it doesn't matter because all WoTC really wants is for every deck to run the same 36 1 mana disruption spells and then pick a creature to try and kill the opponent with.

http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/087555.html

Here are some of his great buy prices:

Phyrexian Dreadnought 16 $10.00
Chrome Mox 15 $7.00
Cloudpost 42 $0.20
Hero of Oxid Ridge 1 $2.00
Daze 33 $0.35
Batterskull 11 $5.00
Beast Within 78 $0.30
Birthing Pod 2 $3.50
Bloodstained Mire 17 $10.00
Akroma, Angel of Fury 18 $1.25
Bosh, Iron Golem 46 $0.02
Djinn of the Lamp 48 $0.02
Aluren 45 $1.25
Ancient Tomb 89 $5.00
Radiant, Archangel 21 $1.00
Day of Judgment 13 $0.40
Scalding Tarn 25 $6.00
Turntimber Ranger 12 $0.02
Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle 5 $0.35
Verdant Catacombs 47 $5.00

Edit:

FNM #1 @ LGS #1
R1: Win due to Opponent getting Mana Screwed x2
R2: Win due to Opponent getting Mana Screwed x2
R3: Win due to Opponent getting Mana Screwed x2

FNM #2 @ LGS #2
R1: Win due to Opponent getting Mana Screwed x2
R2: Win due to Opponent getting Mana Screwed x2
R3: Win due to Opponent getting Mana Screwed x2
R4: Lose due to Mana Screw x2 but take a game for 1-2 loss

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Originally posted by Heresy19:
Just bought 4x Erayo for 4$ at the new LGS

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Is that good?

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