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Originally posted by choco man:
Building a life-gain theme EDH, w/g build or w/b build?

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Black/White. Green is going to just gain you life while black is going to do that and drain your opponents.

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Originally posted by Havoc Demon:
Black/White. Green is going to just gain you life while black is going to do that and drain your opponents.

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+ WB gets you Death Grasp, Vindicate, and Desolation Angel goodness.

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
Is it just me or is red the worst color in EDH.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
Its pretty bad. It had a few cards that are bombs, but overall the card quality for EDH is far lower then that of other colors. It does make you work harder when you want to play a deck with primarily red. Challenging yourself can be good and get away from standard deck building choices.

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I know i can build a really strong Mono red kiki-jikki deck but i was looking at Red/Blue wizards (niv mizzet) but when i actually looked at what i lose by going with red it kind of sucked.

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
I know i can build a really strong Mono red kiki-jikki deck but i was looking at Red/Blue wizards (niv mizzet) but when i actually looked at what i lose by going with red it kind of sucked.

I think i still will go with Niv Mizzet but it'll take me a while longer to decide on the build because i don't want to put a bunch of bad burn to put "red" in the deck

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What do you "lose" by adding red? You can have just a minor splash to support his cc and a few goodies.

Wheel of Fortune
Wild Richochet
Viashino Heretic

You could get away with running those as the only red cards and be just fine. Yeah, it makes it harder to run stuff that works best in a mono-u deck (Back to Basics, Gauntlet/lens/cage/shackles), but Niv is so darn cool. He makes you want to add red

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Originally posted by LemonMeringue:
Just built a gaddock teeg deck, can't wait to try it out and see how much hate I get.

Edit: Yeah red is the worst color in edh, but honestly unless you're playing cutthroat edh it doesn't matter much

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Originally posted by choco man:
Mono-red and mono-white can be miserable. No reliable ramp, no reliable card drawing- the 2 things you need most in EDH.

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I built a mono-White Akroma EDH for my g/f, it is fairly rough to get things started sometimes. Well of Lost Dreams is pretty good for white card draw, and for ramp we used Pearl Medallion, Gauntlet of Power, Weathered Wayfarer, and Walking Atlas.

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Originally posted by eXtremeEagle:
I built a mono-White Akroma EDH for my g/f, it is fairly rough to get things started sometimes. Well of Lost Dreams is pretty good for white card draw, and for ramp we used Pearl Medallion, Gauntlet of Power, Weathered Wayfarer, and Walking Atlas.

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Land Tax + Scroll Rack is another really affordable option you might want to consider. It's pretty skill/rules intensive, but it's really rewarding.

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Originally posted by choco man:
Has anyone ever played Heroes Remembered?

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FTFY

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Originally posted by choco man:
Has anyone ever resolved Heroes Remembered?

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Originally posted by iccarus:
FTFY

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Not every EDH deck is 59 auto-includes and 40 lands. Although, that's how it seems like it's turned into. Just throwing this out there. I will probably play it in my next deck, because I want to.

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
Beacon of Immortality is just better. Gain twice as much life and costs less.

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Originally posted by choco man:
Not every EDH deck is 59 auto-includes and 40 lands. Although, that's how it seems like it's turned into. Just throwing this out there. I will probably play it in my next deck, because I want to.

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Don't get so worked up, it was just a joke. I play plenty of off the wall cards in my decks.

I have not ever played it, but just 20 life doesn't seem that amazing. I like my life gain effects to do double duty. Either shuffling back in (beacon) or with a body attached to them (multiple ETB creatures or those with lifelink).

Also, it's 9 mana to gain life or you have to wait 10 turns to get it for 1. I don't want to waste my turn spending 9 mana on just lifegain and any suspend spell with a big effect tends to draw attention from others. Especially when it's hanging out there for 10 turns.

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Originally posted by LemonMeringue:
Definitely disagree with that, I think mono-black EDH is very strong. You have all the tutors, great card draw options, huge mana, graveyard shenanigans, wraths, etc.

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Very slow starts unless you rip sol ring, mana crypt or mana vault.

Very dependant on artifact mana for accel in a format full of shatterstorm effects.

Can't do anything about enchantments without using inefficient artifact removal. Ditto for artifacts.

Aside from discard, which really isn't tenable in multiplayer, monoblack can't do anything about a guy comboing off when it doesn't involve creatures.

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
Very slow starts unless you rip sol ring, mana crypt or mana vault.

Very dependant on artifact mana for accel in a format full of shatterstorm effects.

Can't do anything about enchantments without using inefficient artifact removal. Ditto for artifacts.

Aside from discard, which really isn't tenable in multiplayer, monoblack can't do anything about a guy comboing off when it doesn't involve creatures.

It's a fun deck, but if your playgroup is full of people who play stupid decks then you really can't keep up very well.

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I find that every non-green deck starts pretty slow without Sol Ring/Mana Crypt/Grim Monolith/Mana Vault. But at least black has Coffers + Urborg.

Green can't kill creatures effectively and basically every deck has a very good creature that you have the kill, a commander. This doesn't stop green from being very good. Similarly, lack of artifact/enchantment removal doesn't really stop black from being very good.

It's the lack of card draw and mana-acceleration that makes White and Red the weaker colors in EDH.

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