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Topic: Post for Elder Dragon Highlander (Commander) : Part Four Nicol Bolas goes to Camp.
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Zakman86
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posted January 27, 2012 10:08 PM
         
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Originally posted by FleeceItOut:
looking to get into commander, i want to start with a 1v1 deck, would animar be a "fair" choice for a general?
Animar's fine, but never build for 1v1.
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rockondon
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posted January 27, 2012 10:10 PM
If I wanted to play 1 vs 1 EDH, I'd probably go with vendilion clique as general. If I wanted to have fun, I'd make a multiplayer deck. __________________
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posted January 28, 2012 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by rockondon:
If I wanted to play 1 vs 1 EDH, I'd probably go with vendilion clique as general.
And then no one would want to play you! Clique is one of the most unfair Generals from what I've read. __________________
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Sovarius
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posted January 28, 2012 02:06 PM
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Originally posted by mattw:
I have a black white life gain deck and for some reason people let sanguine bond stay around for too long.
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OGB
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posted January 29, 2012 04:57 PM
Here is my Zirilan EDH deck. It's from my MTGO list, so card availability is an issue (don't own Grim Monolith, etc.). Any ideas on improving would be super helpful. Thanks!!Dragon Party! Commander: Zirilan of the Claw Buried Ruin
Crystal Vein
Dormant Volcano
Forgotten Cave
Gemstone Caverns
Kher Keep
Miren, the Moaning Well
23 Mountain
Reliquary Tower
Smoldering Crater
Spinerock Knoll
Temple of the False God
Terrain Generator
Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle Ancient Hellkite
Balefire Dragon
Bogardan Hellkite
Crimson Hellkite
Dragon Mage
Dragon Tyrant
Dragonspeaker Shaman
Fire Dragon
Flameblast Dragon
Greater Gargadon
Hellkite Charger
Hoarding Dragon
Hoard-Smelter Dragon
Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
Kilnmouth Dragon
Knollspine Dragon
Mordant Dragon
Predator Dragon
Rakdos Pit Dragon
Scourge of Kher Ridges
Shivan Hellkite
Basalt Monolith
Culling Dais
Darksteel Ingot
Dreamstone Hedron
Erratic Portal
Everflowing Chalice
Extraplanar Lens
Gauntlet of Power
Gilded Lotus
Lightning Greaves
Mana Vault
Mind Stone
Mind's Eye
Nevinyrral's Disk
Phyrexian Vault
Pristine Talisman
Relic of Progenitus
Rings of Brighthearth
Sensei's Divining Top
Sol Ring
Sundial of the Infinite
Swiftfoot Boots
Tel-Jilad Stylus
Temporal Aperture
Thran Dynamo
Whispersilk Cloak
Worn Powerstone
Crucible of Fire
Fiery Bombardment
Goblin Bombardment
Chandra Nalaar
Aftershock
Blasphemous Act
Chain Reaction
Cinder Cloud
Decree of Annihilation
Devastation
Insurrection
Mogg Infestation
Obliterate
Wheel of Fate
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choco man
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posted January 29, 2012 05:05 PM
No worldvorger?
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OGB
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posted January 29, 2012 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by choco man:
No worldvorger?
I'm not sure the purpose it would serve.
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airwalk
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posted January 29, 2012 05:59 PM
Cast Worldgorger, then Obliterate...
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choco man
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posted January 29, 2012 08:29 PM
you don't have to cast it if you use Zirlian as a general. the whole point of zirlian is to be able to cheat out dragons right?
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NukeMoose
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posted January 29, 2012 09:59 PM
Worldgorger is a ETB effect, but if you cheat him out you save a lot of mana you can invest in a board sweeper. Then you have all your stuff and everybody else gets obliterated.The only problem is that instant speed removal can take you out of the game.
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WeedIan
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posted January 30, 2012 04:47 AM
I love Worldgorger but playing him in EDH doesn't seem like a great idea unless you are using him to protect yourself from boardsweepers.__________________
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OGB
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posted January 30, 2012 05:34 AM
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Originally posted by choco man:
you don't have to cast it if you use Zirlian as a general. the whole point of zirlian is to be able to cheat out dragons right?
Yeah that is the point but I found that in my original build I had too many dragons and not enough acceleration. So this is the modified version. The worldgorger combo with a sweeper seems nice. I will definitely add that in. Instant speed removal is a factor, bit it seems that I'd be on pat with everyone else since everything would get destroyed anyways. __________________
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airwalk
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posted January 30, 2012 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by choco man:
you don't have to cast it if you use Zirlian as a general. the whole point of zirlian is to be able to cheat out dragons right?
You're right... that's even more powerful than I thought. I actually forgot what Zirlian did as it's been so long since I seen him :O. I might have to steal that decklist for my secondary EDH deck... it hasn't been since Covetous Dragon/Wildfire that I've played a big dragons and sweepers deck. What about Temporal Aperature also, could get out of hand if your CMC is high enough.
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caquaa
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posted January 30, 2012 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by airwalk:
What about Temporal Aperature also, could get out of hand if your CMC is high enough.
someone is trying to relive the days of wildfire.... that said, I'm running it in my intet deck and its been a lot of fun. The reaction to the card is pretty wide too. Some people think they have to kill it RIGHT NOW!, other people think its just 5 mana to draw a card and leave it alone. I like that last line of thinking cause I usually get a few free 7+ mana creatures before it dies.
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OGB
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posted January 30, 2012 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by caquaa:
someone is trying to relive the days of wildfire....that said, I'm running it in my intet deck and its been a lot of fun. The reaction to the card is pretty wide too. Some people think they have to kill it RIGHT NOW!, other people think its just 5 mana to draw a card and leave it alone. I like that last line of thinking cause I usually get a few free 7+ mana creatures before it dies.
Temporal Aperture is awesome, but since the timing restrictions of when you can play the card still apply, its not quite as awesome as one woul think. Zirilan is a supremely fun general, but i've found that you don't need a ton of dragons for him to be effective. A lot of the targets provide some nice utility (Hoarding, Hoard Smelter, etc.)
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airwalk
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posted January 30, 2012 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by caquaa:
someone is trying to relive the days of wildfire.....
Hehe, pretty much, it was my favorite standard deck ever sans maybe the Early Harvest/Domain deck that I can't seem to recall the name of right now.
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Skwirlnutz
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posted January 30, 2012 03:57 PM
Ways to stop Firestorm in colors that are not Blue?Basically my friend as a really insane Nin deck and its only way to really win is Combo'ing out into Firestorm, and none of my decks run blue.
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DConNexus
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posted January 30, 2012 03:58 PM
So does the Binding Blade count as black? So I could not put it in my Jor deck?
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Skwirlnutz
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posted January 30, 2012 04:01 PM
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Originally posted by DConNexus:
So does the Binding Blade count as black? So I could not put it in my Jor deck?
It's black.
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ryan2754
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posted January 30, 2012 06:07 PM
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Originally posted by Skwirlnutz:
Ways to stop Firestorm in colors that are not Blue?Basically my friend as a really insane Nin deck and its only way to really win is Combo'ing out into Firestorm, and none of my decks run blue.
White has a few options. Runed Halo, Nevermore, Seht's Tiger, Energy Storm, Dawn Charm, Sustaining Spirit, Unyaro Griffin (my fave), Beacon of Destiny, Glarecaster, Pariah, Ivory Mask, Story Circle, Rebuff the Wicked, Imperial Mask, Leyline of Sanctity, Spirit of the Hearth, True Believer, Voidstone Gargoyle, Aegis of Honor, Harsh Judgment, Iona, Multicolored. Captain's Maneuver, Reflect Damage Colorless. Pariah's Shield, Jester's Cap. Black. Black has Discard, Bitter Ordeal, Cranial Extraction, Memoricide, Neverending Torment, Nightmare Incursion, Sadistic Sacrament, Circle of Affliction. Some bad options are changing the color of the spell, then countering target "Black" or "Blue" spell, etc. Any card that prevents you from losing (Worship, etc.).
Green seems to be SOL.
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OGB
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posted January 30, 2012 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by Skwirlnutz:
It's black.
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caquaa
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posted January 31, 2012 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by Skwirlnutz:
Basically my friend as a really insane Nin deck and its only way to really win is Combo'ing out into Firestorm, and none of my decks run blue.
I guess I don't understand... firestorm must have X targets. How can there be enough targets for him to kill you?
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choco man
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posted January 31, 2012 11:47 AM
Yeah, Firestorm has to have X individual targets.On the other hand, if you're not playing blue, the only way to stop combo shenanigans is to be proactive. Combo yourself, use Mind Twist, do you're own broken stuff (ramp out Eldrazi, etc.)
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Skwirlnutz
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posted January 31, 2012 02:48 PM
WHOA WHOA WAIT!@Your telling me my friend has been playing Firestorm wrong this WHOLE TIME?! Basically what he would do is combo out in Nin and draw his whole deck and Firestorm everyone! That doesnt work?!??! **** YES!
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airwalk
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posted January 31, 2012 03:19 PM
Yep, if he Firestorms for 40 he needs 40 targets.
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