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last few posts were interesting. I decided recently after a large container of mulburries burst in my bag all over two of my decks that magic cards are quite worthless.

No longer will I be focusing on trading up up and up until I reach a p9 or whatever. It's just a fun game really. Not a money-making enterprise!

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Originally posted by Irate:
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last few posts were interesting. I decided recently after a large container of mulburries burst in my bag all over two of my decks that magic cards are quite worthless.

No longer will I be focusing on trading up up and up until I reach a p9 or whatever. It's just a fun game really. Not a money-making enterprise!

(all my rare cards inc 4x rishadan port, gaea's cradle and similar for a BG reanimate got stained lol)

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Originally posted by Heresy19:
If you want to invest in MTG, buy stocks from Hasbro :P

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
If they are still playable, you didn't really lose much.
Also, p9 are worthless. You can't play with them, its a lot of work to make sure they aren't fake, and you can't play with them.

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Must make Fraternal Exaltation worthless too since you can't play with it.

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
If they are still playable, you didn't really lose much.
Also, p9 are worthless. You can't play with them, its a lot of work to make sure they aren't fake, and you can't play with them.

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That's quite outrageous.

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Originally posted by Havoc Demon:
That's quite outrageous.

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Inferences ftw.

They are worthless as cards to play with. Each shuffle devalues them. You can only play them in a format nobody plays (Type 1) or another format nobody plays (5 Color). And both formats allow proxies. Its not like a casual player will be thrilled to play against any p9 except Twister.

P9 is only good to stick in a slab and look at. Its valuable the way gold is valuable (unless you are, among other things, a dentist), except that gold is far more likely to hold its value and is far easier to liquidate. You can't have fake gold.

P9 is also damn easy to steal and therefore risky to own. It has negligible weight, fits in a sleeve, sock, wallet, box or anything else, and if you have P9, you are likely to actually use it from time to time, if you play magic cards at all, regardless of whatever I said about nobody playing those formats. You don't carry gold bullion around, you leave them in vault. Same with stocks, land deeds (which are registered, so you don't lose the property even if somebody steals the deed, and transfers *must* be signed), and so on.

They are also risky to buy. There's an awful lot of stories I've heard of people buying Time Vaults and Power and whatever, even from B&M stores and finding out months or years later that they are fakes. Why take that kind of risk when you can use stock exchanges to buy 100% real stock or real estate agents to buy 100% real land, or something?

Why take that much risk (Easy to steal, likely to devalue, high chance of fraud that may not be easily detectible, can't actually play with them very much)? If you want to invest, do it in something else. "Good" mtg investments are things that nobody is paying attention to, like P3K in 2005, Strategic Planning in 2008, that pump pitch spell earlier this year, Ravnica duals after Modern, and so on.

Even revised duals are at an untenably expensive price right now. And Legacy support is waning. Don't buy mtg cards as an investment. Buy to collect for the sake of collecting. Or buy to flip by gambling on something cheap going up. Don't buy because you think you'll turn it into a car or something. Don't be that idiot who thinks that Jester's Cap is worth a small fortune because the last time he played was 1995.

make them send first.

no other gurantees can be provided.

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Originally posted by SageShadows:
I'm working out a pretty big deal with someone from Italy. What precautions should I take and how should I approach it? I was considering having him and me split 50/50 on insurance and registered shipping (on that note, any idea how much that would cost?). I'm shipping from the US. Thanks guys!

EDIT: I'm selling to them, so after the payment is sent, what should I do to best ensure that the shipment gets there.

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If you're selling, I think it's reasonable to ask the buyer to pay for the shipping costs. Registered/insurance/etc. are all parts of shipping. Unless the transaction is large, I don't think 50/50 on shipping is very fair for the seller. If someone is willing to buy cards from the other side of the planet, you should believe that your prices are pretty good to begin with.

Sending something to Italy is riskier than sending it down the street, but things do make it there safely. Just take the right precautions in case it doesn't. Insurance and dealing with a reputable buyer are good starts.

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I'm working out a pretty big deal with someone from Italy. What precautions should I take and how should I approach it? I was considering having him and me split 50/50 on insurance and registered shipping (on that note, any idea how much that would cost?). I'm shipping from the US. Thanks guys!

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Italy has been perfectly fine with me. I've had issues with South Korea and Brazil, but not Italy (or Spain, for that matter). A lot of my eBay buyers are from Italy.

Registered shipping will be $11.50 along with whatever the package costs by itself. Insurance will be extra, but I think it should just be a few bucks--it's $6.50 to insure $2,000 and $9.50 to insure $3,000 (from what I'm told, payout is around 2/3 of insured value; something I don't understand, but don't need to know the details).

Whether you want to split shipping is up to you. Just decide on whether it's worth it for you for this size of deal.

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Originally posted by MagixDK:
italy:

make them send first.

no other gurantees can be provided.

sounds harsh, but italy is like congo when it comes to mail.

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This seems like bad advice, since it only helps with making sure that you get cards. It does nothing to keep you out of trouble for lost or damaged mail that you send out, which is the normal cause of concern for packages to Italy.

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Originally posted by SageShadows:
Thanks for the advice, you guys. I think I'll talk to him about registered shipping, as it seems to insure the goods as well.
Another question; how do customs work? This is the first big international deal I've done, and I'm confused as to when customs comes into play.

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Originally posted by SageShadows:
Thanks for the advice, you guys. I think I'll talk to him about registered shipping, as it seems to insure the goods as well.
Another question; how do customs work? This is the first big international deal I've done, and I'm confused as to when customs comes into play.

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http://www.wizards.com/Magic/TCG/Article.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/zendikar/flavor2

Im guessing that Bloodlord is a high ranking member of a family, but below a Bloodchief, although I can't find anything on that.

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Is there a difference between a Bloodchief and a Bloodlord? Is there a guide to this somewhere?

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Tribal vs. Nobility?

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Tribal vs. Nobility?

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