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quote:
Originally posted by Eatatjoes:
I use to hate the points based lists, but ive actually grown to like some of them. They can be useful at times. Certain members that have been doing it for a while, are really good with it, as in they will accept pretty much any offer as long as the points add up. You can get a not so bad deal, especially when trading bulk, easy to aquire type 2 cards, for legacy staples, or hard to find cards. But like i said, only a few members have good points based lists, everyone else that does it is an idiot looking for free handouts, or insane deals.


Agree 100%

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Devonin:
I love point systems where the exact same card is on haves and wants, with a 30% swing in "value" as profit.

For 30% I want you to be taking anything I have and basically having anything I'd want, since you're basically asking for LGS margins.

Because on a -trading- site it makes sense for a card to be worth 20 dollars when -I- have one, and only 14 dollars when -you- have one.



I know how you feel, but I don't worry about it too much. A lot of people desire to make profit trading, for whatever reason that is. I don't, because any card I trade is at least a fifth copy of that card. There's no need to profit when I already have everything else I'm looking for. Also, I've done a fairly good job of evening the playing field at my LGS when it comes to trading.

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Is there anything else in ISD Block Constructed apart from tokens and self-mill? It's all I've been running into.
 
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Need a quick answer for this one please :

Legacy tournament tonight, I have High Tide and Mono White Stax and the meta is ANT, TES, Canadian Treshold and Dredge (piloted by a bad player). Wich one should I play?

Thanks

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Heresy19:
Need a quick answer for this one please :

Legacy tournament tonight, I have High Tide and Mono White Stax and the meta is ANT, TES, Canadian Treshold and Dredge (piloted by a bad player). Wich one should I play?

Thanks


Definetly 100% high tide

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Heresy19:
Need a quick answer for this one please :

Legacy tournament tonight, I have High Tide and Mono White Stax and the meta is ANT, TES, Canadian Treshold and Dredge (piloted by a bad player). Wich one should I play?

Thanks


Mono White Stax.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Devonin:
I love point systems where the exact same card is on haves and wants, with a 30% swing in "value" as profit.

For 30% I want you to be taking anything I have and basically having anything I'd want, since you're basically asking for LGS margins.

Because on a -trading- site it makes sense for a card to be worth 20 dollars when -I- have one, and only 14 dollars when -you- have one.


Meh. When I do something like that (not 30%, but still a value difference), it's because I don't need that card (or don't need it immediately), but I will take it in trade if you want something I have and don't have one of the cards I really need. It becomes increasingly difficult to justify trading for stuff I don't need if I'm not making a little bit of profit from it, considering the cost and risk of trading online. If I only traded for cards I needed, there might be only 3-4 cards on my want list, making trading fairly difficult if people didn't have that narrow list of cards. It's a large part of why I've gone to buying/selling instead of trading.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Bagbokk on November 21, 2011]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Heresy19:
Need a quick answer for this one please :

Legacy tournament tonight, I have High Tide and Mono White Stax and the meta is ANT, TES, Canadian Treshold and Dredge (piloted by a bad player). Wich one should I play?

Thanks


Mono White Stax should have no trouble against those decks. The exception could be Dredge, but if it is piloted by a bad player, you should be fine.

You're lucky though. Since they've banned Misstep, half the decks I play against are High Tide, and the rest are UW Stoneforge. I've actually quit playing, just because the format has become unfun. I'm sure I'll pick it up again at some point, and I'll still homebrew decks here and there, but Misstep was such a long overdue card, it kills me to have it gone.

 
choco man
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With misstep, 50% of the decks were no-rug and uw stoneforge, is that more fun than the format now?
 
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It was better then; I had a much more diverse field pre-banning. Sure, there was an inordiate number of blue decks, but I would attribute that to a certain blue planeswalker rather than Misstep.

Wizards states that there were too many blue decks. All things considered, which is the more likely cause of this? Misstep, or Jace 2.0? Post banning, have things improved? Are there actually fewer blue decks running around out there? Maybe by some of you, but here, the answer is no. If you want things other than NO-rug and UW Stoneforge, Jace is the problem, not Misstep.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by coasterdude84 on November 21, 2011]

 
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Wasn't worlds Legacy (team decks) 50% RUG, 50% U/W SFM? It was a lot less diverse than any other format...
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Cyno:
Wasn't worlds Legacy (team decks) 50% RUG, 50% U/W SFM? It was a lot less diverse than any other format...

I guess you didn't see the final match then...

Sneaky Tell vs some Zoo variant

 
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I want mental misstep back :'(
 
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Heh, took the first answer, played High Tide : 3 loss. High Tide without Candelabra is just not as good.

Mono White Stax is back for me.... anybody wants a playset of Time Spiral? :P

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Heresy19:
Heh, took the first answer, played High Tide : 3 loss. High Tide without Candelabra is just not as good.

Mono White Stax is back for me.... anybody wants a playset of Time Spiral? :P


You didnt tell us that it was the bad version of high tide....

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choco man
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quote:
Originally posted by coasterdude84:
It was better then; I had a much more diverse field pre-banning. Sure, there was an inordiate number of blue decks, but I would attribute that to a certain blue planeswalker rather than Misstep.

Wizards states that there were too many blue decks. All things considered, which is the more likely cause of this? Misstep, or Jace 2.0? Post banning, have things improved? Are there actually fewer blue decks running around out there? Maybe by some of you, but here, the answer is no. If you want things other than NO-rug and UW Stoneforge, Jace is the problem, not Misstep.


Mental Misstep was the card that let you play 3-4 Jace TMS maindeck without impunity. It's very dangerous to tapout on turn 4 in Modern, it certainly isn't easier in Legacy. Heck, Jund even made turn 4 Jace an uncertainty.

The main reason why there is so much blue is bc of Brainstorm/FOW. People want to win, right? Personally, I don't think that Mental Misstep was a blight on the metagame. The only thing it enabled was a 4 Jace TMS format (which isn't the most horrible thing).

But it was the straw that broke the camel's back. A four MM/Brainstorm/FOW/Jace TMS vs Hive Mind format isn't what WOTC think's most people want.

quote:
Originally posted by Bagbokk:
It's a large part of why I've gone to buying/selling instead of trading.

That's a very good plan.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by choco man:

That's a very good plan.

its also easy to get discounts when purchasing a lot since people like cash. When you sell you can just ask market value and take a little longer to sell stuff. Also, its way easier to buy then it is to trade for something.

Was at worlds some dude pulls out a bunch of stuff from my binder. He has good cards, a lot of good cards, but nothing I was interested in. He Takes a few of the cards in exchange for a $20 bill and we're both happy. Cash does wonders.

 
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Originally posted by caquaa:
its also easy to get discounts when purchasing a lot since people like cash. When you sell you can just ask market value and take a little longer to sell stuff. Also, its way easier to buy then it is to trade for something.

Was at worlds some dude pulls out a bunch of stuff from my binder. He has good cards, a lot of good cards, but nothing I was interested in. He Takes a few of the cards in exchange for a $20 bill and we're both happy. Cash does wonders.


Sometimes, people just want to waste/spend time trading than sell things that they're not using. I don't know why.

But buying and selling is the faster way to go if you can do it. If the prices are fair, little reason why I'd turn it down. Especially since I'm after harder to find foils most of the time.



[Edited 1 times, lastly by choco man on November 22, 2011]

 
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Originally posted by choco man:
Sometimes, people just want to waste/spend time trading than sell things that they're not using. I don't know why.

I'm this way when it comes to trading in person. Its fun to look at stuff and haggle with prices. I had the opportunity to go through some large collection of Japanese foils. He had a foil Japanese grim monolith, but wanted $300 so I passed. I did end up getting a foil Japanese con sphinx, elesh, and a set of think twice. Hit up another trader a while later and found another Foil Japanese Grim monolith that I got at $250 in trade. I was pretty happy.

I even managed to get a fair trade out of Coolio. Pretty shocking, huh?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Heresy19:
Heh, took the first answer, played High Tide : 3 loss. High Tide without Candelabra is just not as good.

Mono White Stax is back for me.... anybody wants a playset of Time Spiral? :P


If I had known you didn't have Candelabras, I wouldn't have reccomended it :/

 
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While on the topic of point based lists:
What if you have a few high end stuff that
A) You aren't playing with currently and
B) You wouldn't mind trading it off, but wouldn't mind keeping it either

Is it acceptable to post a points based list that is in your favor and just see if any takers? I mean, I don't exactly care if I trade them, but if I can get a really good deal for my cards, I'd move them.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by SageShadows:
While on the topic of point based lists:
What if you have a few high end stuff that
A) You aren't playing with currently and
B) You wouldn't mind trading it off, but wouldn't mind keeping it either

Is it acceptable to post a points based list that is in your favor and just see if any takers? I mean, I don't exactly care if I trade them, but if I can get a really good deal for my cards, I'd move them.


That's what I'd do, except I'd be too lazy to make it point-based trading and would just list the stuff. Some people might be insulted (but you wouldn't need to trade with them anyway since they wouldn't be offering you a good deal!), but you may or may not get a few hits from people that happen to want the card(s) you have and are willing to trade a little in your favor for it. Which is the entire point. I wouldn't go to someone else's list and make them a trade offer that's clearly in your favor, but there's nothing wrong with posting a list with such point values and people coming to you with an offer knowing that it's in your favor.

quote:
Sometimes, people just want to waste/spend time trading than sell things that they're not using. I don't know why.

Trading is useful if you actually need the cards you're trading for, as it cuts out a step in the middle--instead of selling your extra cards and then buying the cards you need (two transactions), you just trade the extras for the stuff you need (one transaction). If you happen to get a good deal value-wise, all the better. Otherwise, IMO, the only reason to really do it is you find it fun, locally if your LGS or whatever prohibits sales (and you'd rather respect that than use "going out for a smoke" or whatever as a pretext for selling), or if you gain value from the trade. I personally find trading to be a decent supplement to buying/selling cards, especially ones that are slower to sell. The few trades I've done recently have all been fairly good value-wise, and I assume both sides are happy because they agreed to the trade and are sometimes the one that offered it to begin with.

[Edited 3 times, lastly by Bagbokk on November 22, 2011]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
If I had known you didn't have Candelabras, I wouldn't have reccomended it :/

Well it's still a good deck, but in the meta at the local game store it's not the best option, candelabra or not. But hey, I tried it, liked it but in the end, I still prefer my old MWStaxx deck

And Thor, it's not THAT bad without the Candelabra, it's just a bit harder to pull your combo in the 2nd or 3rd turn :P

 
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Can you get banned if all you do is that?

 
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Originally posted by choco man:
Can you get banned if all you do is that?

I'd hope so, that's alot of spam trades

What Languages was Urza's Saga printed in I have a Western Paladin that's in asian and Magic Card.info doesn't have any asian languages

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