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Originally posted by caquaa:
must not have seen the spoiler, lol. If you open all the good cards in the set, a box doesn't even pay for itself. Its pretty awful.

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Ya that's fine, i bought a fat pack and a Yeva deck and Talrand deck just a bit less work to get the foils for EDH.

Its still odd to get 3 of a rare in that number of packs.

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Originally posted by JoshSherman:
Are you ****ing kidding me right now? I got my info from the same goddamned place you did, and I ****ing quoted it.

If they decide to split their prize and play the match, whatever. If they draw and do not split prize, whatever. What planet are you on that both can happen and there's no collusion?

Edit: also, jerk move? That is why Commander sucks. If the card isn't banned from the format, suck it the **** up because you're probably going to have to deal with it. If you want to whine about something being unfair, then ban it in your ****ty playgroup.

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Someone's being real salty

IMO, as the rules are stated, if you and another person are the last two in the tourney, there's no issues as long as prizes are exchanged for getting a win.

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Originally posted by Myy:
Someone's being real salty

someone I'm not saying who.... but I think you know him

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The last time I saw legit prize split...

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Originally posted by Myy:
Someone's being real salty

someone I'm not saying who.... but I think you know him

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Yeah, I'm sorry about that. To all of you, especially thror.

With no prospective draft available for my packs I decided I might as well crack them.

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Originally posted by CubFan81:
A while back I went to an SCG open and did a 2HG side event right after AVR was released. We opened pretty well moneywise (Vexing Devil, Griselbrand, Entreat) and traded some of that in for packs to draft with later. We've been using them at the weekly drafts at another guys place and I've still got 5 packs left. I asked if he was planning on having a draft anytime soon and he said just as soon as people get M13 product as nobody wants to draft AVR anymore.

With no prospective draft available for my packs I decided I might as well crack them.

A Restoration Angel, Avacyn, Angel of Hope, Zealous Conscripts, Temporal Mastery, Wild Defiance, and Foil Tamiyo later and I still can't believe it. Now I'm really bummed I didn't crack them sooner as the Mastery isn't worth anything these days.

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"As long as you don't say out loud why you're offering a draw to someone, it's fine, but if you say why you're doing it, it's against the rules."

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Originally posted by Devonin:
It's hilarious to me that the argument seems to be

"As long as you don't say out loud why you're offering a draw to someone, it's fine, but if you say why you're doing it, it's against the rules."

If doing it is against the rules, just going "LALALALA I never actually SAID THE WORDS" should never somehow make it ok.

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You are really confusing the issue here. The whole 'draw and split' doesnt make sense anywhere outside of the Top8, and wotc has established a rule for that. "Players in the single-elimination rounds of a tournament offering only cash and/or unopened product as prizes may, with the permission of the Tournament Organizer, agree to split the prizes evenly. The players may end the tournament at that point, or continue to play with only ratings points at stake. All players still in the tournament must agree to the arrangement."

In this case, there isnt even a draw happening! Either the matches continue as normal with just rating/PWP on the line, OR the tournament just ends before any games get played!

In the last round of swiss, if you are both going to make top8 with a draw, you will probably draw anyway. You are allowed to set up a prize split with each other. "Players are allowed to share prizes they have not yet received in the current tournament as they wish and may agree as such before or during their match".

As long as the match outcome is NOT RELATED to the prize split, the prize split is fine. Offering a split and offering a draw are two independent things. You are never guaranteed a split if you offer a draw, and you are never guaranteed a draw if you offer a split.

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Originally posted by Devonin:
Right, but people here are basically saying "So I offer the draw, with a firm wink and nod to indicate that I'm also offering the split, since I'm not allowed to say it, and since I didn't say it, it's therefore allowed" which is what I find funny.

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No. You can offer a draw, and immediately also offer a split. You just cant say 'ill ONLY draw if we split'.

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Originally posted by Devonin:
And the fact that you see those as not the same thing: The thing I find funny.

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That's fine, I'm sure you find lots of things hilarious. But that rule explains exactly what is allowed and what isn't allowed. Whether players have an implicit understanding with each other the moment they walk out the door with their prizes isn't something WotC can control. The only way to completely stop a draw/split in those situations is to ban IDs, period. Since they didn't do that, it's quite reasonable to assume that they're generally okay with what's happening in real life.

It's the same thing at your local FNM where everyone knows each other so it's understood that draw==split and the other way around (in which case, does it REALLY matter if they drew and split?). It's not the same thing at any event where not everyone knows each other since the person that's #1 can agree to draw but not agree to split prize with #2, since I'm pretty sure if both players are X-0 and one of them is #1 and the other is #2, if they draw, those standings would remain the same.

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Originally posted by Bagbokk:
That's fine, I'm sure you find lots of things hilarious. But that rule explains exactly what is allowed and what isn't allowed. Whether players have an implicit understanding with each other the moment they walk out the door with their prizes isn't something WotC can control. The only way to completely stop a draw/split in those situations is to ban IDs, period. Since they didn't do that, it's quite reasonable to assume that they're generally okay with what's happening in real life.

It's the same thing at your local FNM where everyone knows each other so it's understood that draw==split and the other way around (in which case, does it REALLY matter if they drew and split?). It's not the same thing at any event where not everyone knows each other since the person that's #1 can agree to draw but not agree to split prize with #2, since I'm pretty sure if both players are X-0 and one of them is #1 and the other is #2, if they draw, those standings would remain the same.

Besides, given that there's a specific prize-split rule for single-elimination rounds (any cut to the top X), where does this practically come up that prizes would be awarded at the end of swiss rounds? Drafts and sealed?

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A funny story I've hard (and its hearsay) is a guy said :

Player 1: "Winner gives the loser a pack?"
Player 2: "You mean like a prize split?"
Player 1: "Judge!"

Player 2 got a game loss for this, again this is hearsay so i don't have anything further to add to the story.

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Originally posted by thror:
No. You can offer a draw, and immediately also offer a split. You just cant say 'ill ONLY draw if we split'.

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But you're always saying "I'll only draw if we split." aren't you? Why would you just draw for the sake of drawing? I'm honestly confused, so forgive me, lol.

Edit: Legislate may not have been the right word. I will not split prizes for anyone for any reason. They can do that themselves, and out of my sight. Maybe I'm kidding myself, but I think that protects the integrity of my events.

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That Article is great for so many reasons

I will take a quote for those without a Gold account

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Originally posted by mattw:

a m13 or an m13, I know the rule but it doesn't seem to feel right

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because 'm' is pronounced 'em', i do believe it is correct to say 'an m13'.

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