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Originally posted by yakusoku:

It was a cute, overkill, win-more thought that didn't play out that way in testing and every single game 2, I immediately switched Sun Titan for a Huntmaster of the Fells from my sideboard.

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I'd cut the Sun Titan for an Inferno Titan if you're going for six-dropping. Inferno Titan has been so good for me. My list is pretty similar otherwise except I have -1 Wurmcoil, -1 Geist, -2 Pod, -1 Solemn, -1 Borderland Ranger, -1 Slime (moved to SB), +1 Thragtusk, +3 Bonfire, +2 Huntmaster, +1 Metamorph.

Sometimes you just need to go big and Inferno Titan and Elesh do just that.

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Originally posted by JoshSherman:
I hope that was a single elimination split.

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Not sure what you mean by that, though I guess I should clarify that it was over the course of three weeks. Won an FNM, won another FNM, split in the finals this past week.

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Originally posted by DerangedHermit:
I'd cut the Sun Titan for an Inferno Titan if you're going for six-dropping. Inferno Titan has been so good for me. My list is pretty similar otherwise except I have -1 Wurmcoil, -1 Geist, -2 Pod, -1 Solemn, -1 Borderland Ranger, -1 Slime (moved to SB), +1 Thragtusk, +3 Bonfire, +2 Huntmaster, +1 Metamorph.

Sometimes you just need to go big and Inferno Titan and Elesh do just that.

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yep.

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Originally posted by Aznopium:
trying to a do a trade with someone with zero refs, and found out that even with my refs and my time here, that i was expected to send first because it was "in their rules"

yep.

that's what i get for trying to do deals with newbies here

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lol..yea he won't get many trades that way, always has to be some noob who thinks they can ignore the rules, and use their own reference system..

So So So Stupid...

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Originally posted by CubFan81:
Won an FNM, won another FNM, split in the finals this past week.

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5.2 Collusion and Bribery

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The decision to drop, concede, or agree to an intentional draw cannot be made in exchange for or influenced by the offer of any reward or incentive. Making such an offer is prohibited. Unless the player receiving such an offer calls for a judge immediately, both players will be penalized in the same manner.

Players are allowed to share prizes they have not yet received in the current tournament as they wish and may agree as such before or during their match, as long as any such sharing does not occur in exchange for any game or match result or the dropping of a player from the tournament. As an exception, players in the announced last round of the single-elimination portion of a tournament may agree to divide tournament prizes as they wish. In that case, one of the players at each table must agree to drop from the tournament. Players are then awarded prizes according to their resulting ranking. DCI ratings will not be affected because no match will have been played. Such an agreement may never include a concession or an intentional draw.

The result of a match or game may not be randomly or arbitrarily determined through any means other than the normal progress of the game in play. Examples include (but are not limited to) rolling a die, flipping a coin, arm wrestling, or playing any other game.

Players may not reach an agreement in conjunction with other matches. Players can make use of information regarding match or game scores of other tables. However, players are not allowed to leave their seats during their match or go to great lengths to obtain this information.

Players in the single-elimination rounds of a tournament offering only cash and/or unopened product as prizes may, with the permission of the Tournament Organizer, agree to split the prizes evenly. The players may end the tournament at that point, or continue to play with only ratings points at stake. All players still in the tournament must agree to the arrangement.

Example: Before the semifinals of a tournament (in which first place gets 12 packs, second place gets 8 packs and 3rd and 4th get 4 packs each) begins, the players may get permission from the tournament Organizer to end the tournament, with each player receiving 7 packs.

Example: In the finals of a 1-slot Pro Tour Qualifier that offers a travel award and an invitation to the winner, the
two finalists may agree to split the tournament prizes, but this agreement cannot alter the results of the match. One
player must drop from the tournament, leaving the travel award and the invitation to the player who did not drop from the tournament. That player is then free to split the remainder of the prizes as agreed upon. The travel award and invitation are a single item and may not be split.

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'Players are allowed to share prizes they have not yet received in the current tournament as they wish and may agree as such before or during their match, as long as any such sharing does not occur in exchange for any game or match result or the dropping of a player from the tournament.'

It most often happens in the finals, because then each player knows what they're getting, but if LSV asks Chapin to go 90/10 on prizes at the start of Day2 (They each get 10% of what the other wins), this is perfectly fine as well.

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After round 4 at FNM (no Top 8, top 4 cuts or anything) there are only two of us that are 4-0. A handful of 3-1s, etc. Naturally we are paired against each other. We bother offer and accept a split. Payout is $X to first, $Y to second. The store simply adds them up, divides by 2 and we each get that amount in store credit. I'm not positive but I think the store enters it into the computer as draw or ID (not sure if there's a difference). On my play record it shows, Win, Win, Win, Win, Draw.

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The decision to drop, concede, or agree to an intentional draw cannot be made in exchange for or influenced by the offer of any reward or incentive.

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Is it because we offer the split? Or is it not even possible? I mean, what's to say that we both get paired up and just sit there for 50 minutes playing guys and never attacking?

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Originally posted by CubFan81:
Well, crud. I didn't think it was. I'll have to talk to the guy at the store and fix that.

Is it because we offer the split? Or is it not even possible? I mean, what's to say that we both get paired up and just sit there for 50 minutes playing guys and never attacking?

Would it be legal if it was worded differently? ie "Draw?" versus "Split?"

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Originally posted by Aznopium:
trying to a do a trade with someone with zero refs, and found out that even with my refs and my time here, that i was expected to send first because it was "in their rules"

yep.

that's what i get for trying to do deals with newbies here

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Was it this guy?

http://forums.magictraders.com/ubbmisc.cgi?action=getbio&UserName=Rabid+Wo1f

I had a very amusing email conversation with him when I tried to work a trade. I would post it here to shame him, but the amount of editing I would have to do of his language would take away a lot of its punch.

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Originally posted by CubFan81:
Hmm, not sure if I'm breaking the rules or not. So, for future reference, here's how it went down.

After round 4 at FNM (no Top 8, top 4 cuts or anything) there are only two of us that are 4-0. A handful of 3-1s, etc. Naturally we are paired against each other. We bother offer and accept a split. Payout is $X to first, $Y to second. The store simply adds them up, divides by 2 and we each get that amount in store credit. I'm not positive but I think the store enters it into the computer as draw or ID (not sure if there's a difference). On my play record it shows, Win, Win, Win, Win, Draw.

Against the rules?

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There is nothing wrong with splitting your prizes, AS LONG AS the outcome of the match isnt being manipulated. You are certainly allowed to offer a draw, and you are certainly allowed to offer a split. You are NOT allowed to say 'ill draw with you if you split you prizes with me' or vice versa.

IDK where Josh is getting his info, but he's wrong.

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Open 11 Packs of M13

Get 3 Ground seals and 3 Sands of Delirium.

Amazing luck.

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Originally posted by keywacat:
Is Charmbreaker Devils + Time Warp an EDH jerk move or something any good group should see coming and be able to put a stop to?

Just figured out last night this is game lock if unchecked.

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Originally posted by keywacat:
Is Charmbreaker Devils + Time Warp an EDH jerk move or something any good group should see coming and be able to put a stop to?

Just figured out last night this is game lock if unchecked.

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Charmbreaker Devils + Time Stretch is a jerk move, Time Warp seems fair :P...

Last I used time warp was in my Sygg, River Cutthroat deck and it was only used for extra sword triggers and people still thought it wasn't fair. I wasn't even playing it more then once.

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Originally posted by SageShadows:
Jerk move, but I come from the school of EDH being about haymakers and not 2 card combos.

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
True story.

Open 11 Packs of M13

Get 3 Ground seals and 3 Sands of Delirium.

Amazing luck.

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Dude, that's total CRAP!

I would be a bit irate... get anything good in the other packs, though?

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
True story.

Open 11 Packs of M13

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Originally posted by caquaa:
must not have seen the spoiler, lol. If you open all the good cards in the set, a box doesn't even pay for itself. Its pretty awful.

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IMO it's better than Innistrad at least.

Also, the moment you buy a box at retail value you've already lost value unless you add up the box via retail value. Can't buy a box at like $100 and hope to get $100 worth in eBay value for it. Most of my boxes had somewhere around $75-80 eBay val after adding up a pile of $1.50-4.00 rares and about $5-10 worth of .50-1.00 uncommons in each box, a little less after Lily and Ajani drop more.

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Originally posted by thror:
There is nothing wrong with splitting your prizes, AS LONG AS the outcome of the match isnt being manipulated. You are certainly allowed to offer a draw, and you are certainly allowed to offer a split. You are NOT allowed to say 'ill draw with you if you split you prizes with me' or vice versa.

IDK where Josh is getting his info, but he's wrong.

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Are you ****ing kidding me right now? I got my info from the same goddamned place you did, and I ****ing quoted it.

If they decide to split their prize and play the match, whatever. If they draw and do not split prize, whatever. What planet are you on that both can happen and there's no collusion?

Edit: also, jerk move? That is why Commander sucks. If the card isn't banned from the format, suck it the **** up because you're probably going to have to deal with it. If you want to whine about something being unfair, then ban it in your ****ty playgroup.