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Topic: The Post For Magic Stuff #77
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yakusoku Member
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posted January 31, 2013 11:06 PM
tl;dr version for the upcoming wall of text - a friend is selling me his entire EDH deck for cash. What would you do?I'm not swimming in cash, but I've always seemed to have a bit more than friends living hand to mouth and more than a few times, I've bought cards from friends, giving them more than what the local store would give them in cash, but certainly less than retail, and usually less than what I could re-sell it for on MOTL or eBay. I can easily get $100 from the ATM, buy cards from them, sell the cards later and move the funds back into my account. One of my closest friends is in college now, trying hard to find a job with almost no experience and it's expensive (textbooks are pushing him just past the edge). He sold off almost everything except an EDH deck and now he's going to be selling most of the contents of this deck to me. He's going to be selling these cards one way or another, so if it's not me, it'll be an LGS for far less than what I'm offering. He'd be quite adverse to a loan, especially with no immediate source of income. I still have my cube, so he knows he's always welcome to come to my place and draft with it any time, but if he sells all the money cards in his deck to me and I, in turn, sell them off, it'll be quite a task to rebuild the deck. I don't have a personal interest in the deck itself (Uril), so if I buy it, my first instinct is to sell the cards individually to recoup the money I spent to buy it. I don't want to overtly treat him like a charity case, but I pretty much went to a big name online retailer and was quoting him 80% of their sell prices for most of his cards as a fair real value of everything. I'm trying to balance his pride, his need, and what's fair for both of us. Am I doing too much or not enough or something completely different from what one of you would do in the same situation?
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caquaa Member
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posted February 01, 2013 12:36 AM
quote: Originally posted by yakusoku: tl;dr version for the upcoming wall of text - a friend is selling me his entire EDH deck for cash. What would you do?
I've been in this situation recently. Just be honest with what the cards are worth, what you're going to do, and what % of the value you'll be able to give them. I have no intention of keeping several hundreds of dollars in cards that I have zero interest in, I'm going to flip them and its going to take time and effort on my part so I will be looking for something for my time. If its a dual land or something super easy to move, 70-80% for a friend is fine. If its trash you might end up getting stuck with, 50% seems fine. If money is your friend's goal, maybe leave them with the stuff you can't sell or simply won't be worth your time to sell so they at least dont have to start from scratch again to rebuild, its the best you can do.
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Pail42 Member
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posted February 01, 2013 07:03 AM
quote: Originally posted by yakusoku: and usually less than what I could re-sell it for on MOTL or eBay.
Why don't you help your friend sell on eBay or MOTL so he gets the most money possible?
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choco man Member
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posted February 01, 2013 07:08 AM
quote: Originally posted by Pail42: Why don't you help your friend sell on eBay or MOTL so he gets the most money possible?
It's a nice thing to do, but this always seems easier said than done.
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Pail42 Member
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posted February 01, 2013 07:12 AM
quote: Originally posted by choco man: It's a nice thing to do, but this always seems easier said than done.
It's obviously more effort. I'm assuming yakusoku wouldn't want to take advantage of his friend. That's not very friendly.
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CubFan81 Member
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posted February 01, 2013 07:37 AM
Would keeping the cards for yourself to "resell" back to him not an option?It would obviously depend on your financial situation and how likely it would be for him to re-buy everything in the future. Say, I'll buy it from you for $500 (If it's worth $600 MOTL, $700 retail) and then if you can afford to sit on it (and its something he might eventually want back at some point) you just sit on it. Say he gets a job in 3 months or something and you can sell it back to him for $550 or $600. Not quite a direct loan but something added for your time and initial outlay. If his job situation doesn't improve or your financial situation changes where you do need to have the cash not tied up in cardboard you can always sell off pieces at that time. This obviously changes if these are the last Magic cards he's got and he has no attachment to the deck or the game and probably won't want to buy them back from you.
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marlo213 Member
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posted February 01, 2013 07:55 AM
quote: Originally posted by yakusoku: tl;dr version for the upcoming wall of text - a friend is selling me his entire EDH deck for cash. What would you do?I'm not swimming in cash, but I've always seemed to have a bit more than friends living hand to mouth and more than a few times, I've bought cards from friends, giving them more than what the local store would give them in cash, but certainly less than retail, and usually less than what I could re-sell it for on MOTL or eBay. I can easily get $100 from the ATM, buy cards from them, sell the cards later and move the funds back into my account. One of my closest friends is in college now, trying hard to find a job with almost no experience and it's expensive (textbooks are pushing him just past the edge). He sold off almost everything except an EDH deck and now he's going to be selling most of the contents of this deck to me. He's going to be selling these cards one way or another, so if it's not me, it'll be an LGS for far less than what I'm offering. He'd be quite adverse to a loan, especially with no immediate source of income. I still have my cube, so he knows he's always welcome to come to my place and draft with it any time, but if he sells all the money cards in his deck to me and I, in turn, sell them off, it'll be quite a task to rebuild the deck. I don't have a personal interest in the deck itself (Uril), so if I buy it, my first instinct is to sell the cards individually to recoup the money I spent to buy it. I don't want to overtly treat him like a charity case, but I pretty much went to a big name online retailer and was quoting him 80% of their sell prices for most of his cards as a fair real value of everything. I'm trying to balance his pride, his need, and what's fair for both of us. Am I doing too much or not enough or something completely different from what one of you would do in the same situation?
I think what you are doing is correct if you want to help him out. Don't take on too much, like sell his cards and give him the money. Give him a fair price so that it's worth your time to resell. If he's a really good friend and you really want to help him out, give him the money, otherwise, don't mix business and friendship
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hilikuS Member
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posted February 01, 2013 08:16 AM
For what it's worth, I always offer my friends commission service for 15% of the sale value.
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fluffycow Member
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posted February 01, 2013 08:25 AM
Who has a huge list of cards for cheap? like ~$.25-~$1? I need a lot of them on a regular bases. I know slurpee has an amazing list and I have been dealing with him alot, anyone else?
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choco man Member
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posted February 01, 2013 11:10 AM
quote: Originally posted by fluffycow: Who has a huge list of cards for cheap? like ~$.25-~$1? I need a lot of them on a regular bases. I know slurpee has an amazing list and I have been dealing with him alot, anyone else?
naricon has a lot of the cheapies on his sales thread
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revenger Member
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posted February 01, 2013 11:12 AM
So, wednesday night I see someone playing a modern Geist of Saint Traft deck.. Awesome looking deck. 2x or 3x Tarn, 2x or 3x flats, lots of shocklands, naturally 4x geists. Definetly had some bling in this deck. What bothers me is: playing the deck unprotected. Ugh. Ack. Played the deck 4x when I was there. Why do that to the cards? Hell, at least get some penny sleeves. I'm sure that would help some. __________________ Your 2008, 2010 & 2012 Siskel & Ebert award winner! Your Motl runner-up in My Cousin Vinny & Rolling Stone Award!33rd in refs on Motl! #1 Ref's for Arizona! I offer 3rd party trading services. Email if interested.
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jULAG Member
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posted February 01, 2013 11:27 AM
Hey look another thread about foil Russian jace the mindsculptor in trade value.
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iccarus Member
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posted February 01, 2013 10:16 PM
Went 2-1 tonight with a decent UBg deck. Basically splash green for the UG guildmage and 3x of the 3/1 UG flyer, made possible by 2x Simic Guildgate.Of course, I lost to the 12-year-old who slow-rolled me with an Aurelia's Fury in game three. Stupid Boros. __________________ Wisconsin - smells like dairy air!I collect Granite Gargoyles. Send them my way.
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Lord Crovax Member
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posted February 01, 2013 11:36 PM
quote: Originally posted by revenger: So, wednesday night I see someone playing a modern Geist of Saint Traft deck.. Awesome looking deck. 2x or 3x Tarn, 2x or 3x flats, lots of shocklands, naturally 4x geists. Definetly had some bling in this deck. What bothers me is: playing the deck unprotected. Ugh. Ack. Played the deck 4x when I was there. Why do that to the cards? Hell, at least get some penny sleeves. I'm sure that would help some.
Well at least he is making those cards more expensive by removing them from the market.
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pugowar Member
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posted February 02, 2013 03:03 AM
Looking to pick up a 9-pocket binder for my cards. I had a monster and liked it but the sleeves began to rip. Anyone have any recommendations?Also what sleeves are best for using in these 9-pocket binders? Thanks! Tim
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Thanos Member
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posted February 02, 2013 08:13 AM
quote: Originally posted by pugowar: Looking to pick up a 9-pocket binder for my cards. I had a monster and liked it but the sleeves began to rip. Anyone have any recommendations?Also what sleeves are best for using in these 9-pocket binders? Thanks! Tim
I put my cards in perfect size sleeves and then put them into monster binders.
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Bagbokk Member
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posted February 02, 2013 09:09 AM
quote: Who has a huge list of cards for cheap? like ~$.25-~$1? I need a lot of them on a regular bases. I know slurpee has an amazing list and I have been dealing with him alot, anyone else?
What kind of cards? I have a bunch of standard rares (INN-RTR and soon GTC) and rares from certain time periods (e.g. Darksteel/Mirrodin/Fifth Dawn/etc), a lot of which are bulk but a lot of which are also like .25-$1 stuff that doesn't make much sense for me to plow through. I also have piles of uncommons/commons that are worth like $1 or something, but again, doesn't make any sense for me to go through at this point in time. If you knew what you wanted I'd be willing to go through stuff since it'd be a sure thing rather than potentially wasting a bunch of time. quote: tl;dr version for the upcoming wall of text - a friend is selling me his entire EDH deck for cash. What would you do?
Cubfan made the suggestion that I would, if it makes sense to do so. EDH decks normally contain cards that aren't going up or down in value too much anyway, and usually only up, right? So just buy it at a lower price that you can profit off, let him know you'll sit on it for X months or unless/until you need money. If/when he wants it back, he can pay back the value of the deck and maybe a little extra (I personally would be fine with just the value of the deck, but I'm not hurting for money--especially when it comes to friends). If he doesn't want it back, if you need the money, or if you sat on it for X months, then just sell the deck off. But as far as the price? Offer him something that you can profit from, but not lowball. I think ~70% of SCG prices is USUALLY what ends up being eBay/MOTL prices (obvious exceptions exist), so quoting 80% of retailers' sale prices actually gives him a little more.
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revenger Member
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posted February 02, 2013 12:00 PM
Thought Dissector (cheap version of Helm of Obedience) + Rest in Peace = Good Game?__________________ Your 2008, 2010 & 2012 Siskel & Ebert award winner! Your Motl runner-up in My Cousin Vinny & Rolling Stone Award!33rd in refs on Motl! #1 Ref's for Arizona! I offer 3rd party trading services. Email if interested.
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T-O-N Member
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posted February 02, 2013 12:01 PM
Anyone has an eBay account in good order, and with good feedback selling cards? I have 2 summer Hurloon that I'd like to get to a larger audience in exchange for a percentage. Email or PM me.
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thror Member
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posted February 02, 2013 12:32 PM
quote: Originally posted by revenger: Thought Dissector (cheap version of Helm of Obedience) + Rest in Peace = Good Game?
no. read it again. "Target opponent reveals cards from the top of his or her library until an artifact card or X cards are revealed, whichever comes first." doesnt say anything about them being put into a graveyard until the end of the effect. so x=1 will always reveal 1 card, and not go infinite. helm text, for comparison: "Target opponent puts cards from the top of his or her library into his or her graveyard until a creature card or X cards are put into that graveyard this way" they dont template cards this way anymore. __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."[16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? [16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted [19:01] <nderEvo> you can delete yourself
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Lord Crovax Member
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posted February 02, 2013 12:37 PM
quote: Originally posted by T-O-N: Anyone has an eBay account in good order, and with good feedback selling cards? I have 2 summer Hurloon that I'd like to get to a larger audience in exchange for a percentage. Email or PM me.
Know many of the bigger traders on the T/A fall into that, maybe PM some of them?
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choco man Member
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posted February 02, 2013 12:56 PM
quote: Originally posted by revenger: Thought Dissector (cheap version of Helm of Obedience) + Rest in Peace = Good Game?
it all sounded really cool in my head also. too bad it doesn't work that way in a real game. i tried to pull it off, but caught myself in the middle of the "combo." doesn't matter, thought dissector is still a cool card.
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fluffycow Member
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posted February 02, 2013 01:15 PM
quote: Originally posted by Bagbokk: What kind of cards? I have a bunch of standard rares (INN-RTR and soon GTC) and rares from certain time periods (e.g. Darksteel/Mirrodin/Fifth Dawn/etc), a lot of which are bulk but a lot of which are also like .25-$1 stuff that doesn't make much sense for me to plow through. I also have piles of uncommons/commons that are worth like $1 or something, but again, doesn't make any sense for me to go through at this point in time. If you knew what you wanted I'd be willing to go through stuff since it'd be a sure thing rather than potentially wasting a bunch of time.
I need it to be a continuous thing, if you are just a player than it's really not worth it to dig for a one time deal.
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Lord Crovax Member
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posted February 02, 2013 02:56 PM
Twitch Chat for big events is just, sooooo hard to read and even harder to take seriously, it's like MTGSalv but 10000x worse....
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theqissilent Member
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posted February 03, 2013 09:46 AM
Anyone have a rough estimate on how many players there are worldwide, or at least competitive players?
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