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mcelraca
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I know there was a speculation topic at some point, but I'm just posting here.


What are your thoughts on Realmwright?

I personally think the card is awesome! It's going for about a $1. I've been trying stock up, as I think a card with this ability, at this cost, and its blue!

 
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quote:
Originally posted by mcelraca:
I know there was a speculation topic at some point, but I'm just posting here.


What are your thoughts on Realmwright?

I personally think the card is awesome! It's going for about a $1. I've been trying stock up, as I think a card with this ability, at this cost, and its blue!


a fragile, more narrow prismatic omen? bulk. you're overpaying.

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quote:
Originally posted by thror:
a fragile, more narrow prismatic omen? bulk. you're overpaying.


Yes, I was eyeing this card as well. But the above post has cleared my mind of any doubt. Bulk.

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It's awesome in my Azami Lady of Scrolls deck.

1. Wizard, check
2. 1cc, check
3. Makes High Tide awesome, check

I have not played my Azami deck in 7 years, I will now put it back together.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by choco man on February 05, 2013]

 
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Right now I'm only at 14, but I'll be keeping a play-set for myself.


You really think its just trash?


I'll give it to you Prismatic Omen takes the cake at mana fixing, but for U i feel like realmwright has a lot of potential.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by mcelraca:
Right now I'm only at 14, but I'll be keeping a play-set for myself.


You really think its just trash?


I'll give it to you Prismatic Omen takes the cake at mana fixing, but for U i feel like realmwright has a lot of potential.


but the mana is incredibly good in type2, why would you need a 1cc that fixes only one color.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by choco man:
but the mana is incredibly good in type2, why would you need a 1cc that fixes only one color.

By the same token though, prismatic was valueless until along came valakut and scapeshift. Realmwright will be cheap bargain-bin until something comes along to combo with it. Which may or may not happen.

 
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You know silly me, I didn't really take time to think about the current mana available.

However, I think I'll agree with Bugger. I just have a feeling this card has some unlocked potential. Maybe something will come along and make it great!

I'll be crossing my fingers

 
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Originally posted by hilikuS:
I was thinking Speed Demon on that one, haha. But yeah clown works well.


I believe it has expanded to Fire Trucking Speed Demon now, lol either works for sure

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Bugger:
By the same token though, prismatic was valueless until along came valakut and scapeshift. Realmwright will be cheap bargain-bin until something comes along to combo with it. Which may or may not happen.

But you can say that about a whole lot of $0.15 cards.

If you apply to every one of them....I guess it doesn't hurt to have 2000x steam flogger boss.

 
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Just saw that MTGO redemption for Gatecrash forward will cost $25 per set instead of $5 for handling, though shipping costs will remain unchanged. Thoughts?

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Originally posted by nderdog:
Just saw that MTGO redemption for Gatecrash forward will cost $25 per set instead of $5 for handling, though shipping costs will remain unchanged. Thoughts?


A raise in price of said sets/cards in them due to the people who mass redeem having to spend more?

 
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Originally posted by nderdog:
Just saw that MTGO redemption for Gatecrash forward will cost $25 per set instead of $5 for handling, though shipping costs will remain unchanged. Thoughts?


If this was a temporary thing until the demand for gatecrash packs died down a bit I would understand it. Maybe MTGO profit numbers didn't look good last quarter so they're looking for new ways to increase revenue.

Was compiling a set on MTGO through drafting/trading much cheaper than buying physical packs below MSRP?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Pail42:
If this was a temporary thing until the demand for gatecrash packs died down a bit I would understand it. Maybe MTGO profit numbers didn't look good last quarter so they're looking for new ways to increase revenue.

Was compiling a set on MTGO through drafting/trading much cheaper than buying physical packs below MSRP?


Making full sets if you were good at drafting from what I hear is very easy...I know people who make multiple foil sets just off drafting then buying last 2-3 cards.

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anyone play on Cocaktrice and getting socket errors?
 
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Originally posted by nderdog:
Just saw that MTGO redemption for Gatecrash forward will cost $25 per set instead of $5 for handling, though shipping costs will remain unchanged. Thoughts?


Probably done to address the increasing price crashes associated with MTGO redemptions going live with each new set. The online vs. paper value for standard stuff is just unreal now. Don't get me wrong, I like the fact that constructed online is super cheap, but I can see WotC getting worried about the cannibalizing effect redemptions have on their sealed product sales.

Also, the cynic in me thinks that WotC just realized that it was an untapped cash grab that just gets passed on to the consumer anyway.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by nderdog:
Just saw that MTGO redemption for Gatecrash forward will cost $25 per set instead of $5 for handling, though shipping costs will remain unchanged. Thoughts?


So instead of $35 to redeem for those outside the US it is now $55. That makes me think twice about the value of drafting on MTGO for purposes of redemption. I definitely enjoy drafting but with the increased cost of redemption the value just fell a bit for me.

As this was a business decision I feel they could have addressed this in other ways at the same time instead of just passing the costs directly on to the consumer. For example, they could have made an adjustment to how the sets were packaged and shipped, potentially saving costs there.

 
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Originally posted by stab107:
So instead of $35 to redeem for those outside the US it is now $55. That makes me think twice about the value of drafting on MTGO for purposes of redemption. I definitely enjoy drafting but with the increased cost of redemption the value just fell a bit for me.

As this was a business decision I feel they could have addressed this in other ways at the same time instead of just passing the costs directly on to the consumer. For example, they could have made an adjustment to how the sets were packaged and shipped, potentially saving costs there.


But who's to say they didn't do both? Who's to say hasbro wasn't riding them to increase their profits from set redemption and rather than ramp up costs purely, they did everything they could to minimize the price increase at the consumer's end?

Either way, you have to appreciate that improving efficiency in distribution is so so much easier said than done, and requires a heck of a lot of time and yes, even expense, to carry out. Supply chains are extremely finicky things.

 
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Not that drafting on modo is cheap... anyone who really drafts a bit online knows that even the best decks lose to a variety of things sometimes... bad draws, mana issues, opponent had the 'god hand,' etc. That said, it was just about worth it for the entertainment and the redemptions, but not now. That extra 20 bucks? ...I redeemed 9 sets of RTR. For another 180 bucks I wouldnt be a little in the hole but accepting it because of the entertainment I was provided with, I'd be a lot in the hole and the entertainment factor wouldn't be worth it.

I always felt like WOTC could justify making digital packs cost the same as real life cards BECAUSE they could be redeemed. When you factor in that the redemption costs 25 bucks per set, they should really compensate by lowering prices of online packs, offering partial set redemptions, etc.

Until this changes, I'm done with sealed / drafts online.

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Originally posted by nderdog:
Just saw that MTGO redemption for Gatecrash forward will cost $25 per set instead of $5 for handling, though shipping costs will remain unchanged. Thoughts?



Blah, this is ridiculous. Maybe Gatecrash sales were subpar and they wanted people to buy more physical packs.

 
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http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/other/02052013C
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Wizards wanted to find a way to build player confidence in the digital version and reinforce that Magic Online is just an extension of Magic in general. Thus the Redemption Program was born.

Fast forward to 2013 and we see Magic: The Gathering continuing to grow in global popularity. With this growth, however, the costs associated with printing, processing, shipping, and the general administration of the Magic Online Redemption Program have increased to the point at which we must make a change.


Why tell the story about the reason for redemption at the start? We get an essay about how redemption was important to getting MTGO started and then a totally unrelated story about how the cost of business has increased.

I'm going to read between the lines here and put some words in Wizards mouth. "We never wanted to do set redemptions and we are trying to discourage the process in the future. Here are two disconnected sets of hand waiving to distract you"

[Edited 2 times, lastly by Pail42 on February 07, 2013]

 
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Originally posted by Pail42:
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/other/02052013C
Why tell the story about the reason for redemption at the start? We get an essay about how redemption was important to getting MTGO started and then a totally unrelated story about how the cost of business has increased.

I'm going to read between the lines here and put some words in Wizards mouth. "We never wanted to do set redemptions and we are trying to discourage the process in the future. Here are two disconnected sets of hand waiving to distract you"


Another reason I could think of was to grow the eternal formats online, especially Modern. With less redemptions, there would less likely be $12 fulminator mages and $25 Linvalas. I don't want to imagine how much lilianas would spike if there was to be a ton of ISD redemptions.

 
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Originally posted by wayne:
Another reason I could think of was to grow the eternal formats online, especially Modern. With less redemptions, there would less likely be $12 fulminator mages and $25 Linvalas. I don't want to imagine how much lilianas would spike if there was to be a ton of ISD redemptions.


but those two examples are nearly those prices for physical cards to, better example would be 15$ Mindbreak traps

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
but those two examples are nearly those prices for physical cards to, better example would be 15$ Mindbreak traps


I think you confused "double" with "nearly".

Anyway, less redemptions would help to address the rare-mythic imbalance as well. Digital rares are plentiful in supply compared to their paper counterparts. I wish I could get my $6 snaps printed.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by wayne:
I think you confused "double" with "nearly".


Linvalas 18
fulminator 8

Explain to me how this is double?

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