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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
Linvalas 18
fulminator 8

Explain to me how this is double?

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Originally posted by nderdog:
Just saw that MTGO redemption for Gatecrash forward will cost $25 per set instead of $5 for handling, though shipping costs will remain unchanged. Thoughts?

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I think this is HUUUGE deal and I'm not sure if they thought it through. They use this argument:

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"Fast forward to 2013 and we see Magic: The Gathering continuing to grow in global popularity. With this growth, however, the costs associated with printing, processing, shipping, and the general administration of the Magic Online Redemption Program have increased to the point at which we must make a change."

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I thought it worked the other way around? It's called economy of scale ???? They increase the cost by 400%!? The cards have been paid for in the MTGO store just like any other cards? The money they save selling digital boosters should offset the cost of processing redemptions? It seemed fair that they wanted $5 for _orcs and servers but $25!? PER SET?!

They are literally turning off all redemptions from this day forward. What does this mean? It further reduces the incentive to play ANY limited format on MTGO. It is already poor value as it is, but this will further destroy the value because the value of the cards will drop when you need another $0-20 discount off on a set to make it worthwhile to redeem. The only value on online cards will driven by the contructed players?

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Originally posted by JensK:
I think this is HUUUGE deal and I'm not sure if they thought it through. They use this argument: I thought it worked the other way around? It's called economy of scale ???? They increase the cost by 400%!? The cards have been paid for in the MTGO store just like any other cards? The money they save selling digital boosters should offset the cost of processing redemptions? It seemed fair that they wanted $5 for _orcs and servers but $25!? PER SET?!

They are literally turning off all redemptions from this day forward. What does this mean? It further reduces the incentive to play ANY limited format on MTGO. It is already poor value as it is, but this will further destroy the value because the value of the cards will drop when you need another $0-20 discount off on a set to make it worthwhile to redeem. The only value on online cards will driven by the contructed players?

Am I wrong here?

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Originally posted by JensK:
I think this is HUUUGE deal and I'm not sure if they thought it through. They use this argument: I thought it worked the other way around? It's called economy of scale ???? They increase the cost by 400%!? The cards have been paid for in the MTGO store just like any other cards? The money they save selling digital boosters should offset the cost of processing redemptions? It seemed fair that they wanted $5 for _orcs and servers but $25!? PER SET?!

They are literally turning off all redemptions from this day forward. What does this mean? It further reduces the incentive to play ANY limited format on MTGO. It is already poor value as it is, but this will further destroy the value because the value of the cards will drop when you need another $0-20 discount off on a set to make it worthwhile to redeem. The only value on online cards will driven by the contructed players?

Am I wrong here?

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Originally posted by wayne:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1x-Fulminato r-Mage-NM-Mint-English-MTG-Magic-Shadowmoor-/130840538276?pt=Trading_Card_Games_US&hash=item1e76b42ca4

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MAGIC- THE-GATHERING-FULMINATOR-MAGE-SHADOWMOOR-MTG-FREE-CARDS-/400396629433?pt=Trading_Card_Games_US&hash=item5d397fb5b9

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MTG-Fulminator-Mage-/230916005564?pt=Trading_Car d_Games_US&hash=item35c3aa9ebc

Can't be bothered with the rest, go continue the argument on your own if it floats your boat.

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Cool and the avg is still higher then that, and the angel as well.

Live in denial if you want, doesn't hurt me any.

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
And Starcitygames is down right now.

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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
Played in a MTGO release Sealed with Boros. After losing round 2 to mana flood, then screw, game 3 round 3 i misclick and mugging my own guy effectively putting me out of the game. soooooooooo tilting

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This is my first time playing in an online pre-release and it's so weird. The difference in online and face-to-face playing is never more evident. In my eyes, they're supposed to be a more casual event so I like to chat with my opponents. Did you open anything good? Did you hit up any other pre-releases? etc. Can't do that as much online.

And yes, I'm not sure why but the random shuffler is more frustrating online than in real life. I lost a game playing Boros where I was on the play and didn't draw a mountain all game. Got up to 6 Plains and a hand full of Bomber Corps, Mugging, Legionnaire, Homing Lightning. Then, game 2 of that match I couldn't draw a creature to save my life. Had all the mana I wanted but sat there with Boros Charm, Martial Glory, Smite, Aerial Maneuver.

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Originally posted by CubFan81:
There's a ton of Boros running around it seems. I played the mirror in all 4 rounds.

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I think it was generally accepted as the guild to be in. I did two pre-releases with it and won them both. That said, my amazing skill was definitely a factor!

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Originally posted by MagicPatty:
I think it was generally accepted as the guild to be in. I did two pre-releases with it and won them both. That said, my amazing skill was definitely a factor!

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Agree. I won a tremendous number of packs at the pre-releases going Boros both times. I'm just saying in a 16 man pool for me to play against Boros 4 times means there's at least 5 and more likely 8-10 Boros players. I'd be super curious to see how many of each Guild Mark they sold.

All that said, the event I'm in now has worked out better. I managed to work my way out against an opponent who had an Assault Griffin, Knight of Obligation and two Guardian of the Gateless to my Syndic of Tithes, Legionnaire, Sunhome Guildmage. He's at 10, he got me down to 3 attacking with the Griffin and Knight. At the end of his turn I made two soldiers. On my turn I cast Mugging on one Guardian, pumped all my guys, Pit Fight the Syndic with his other Guardian, swing with everyone. He block my guildmage to take him down to 3, the Skullcrack for the win.

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Originally posted by daner:
I've mopped the floor vs. Boros decks. I've played Orzhov and haven't lost yet to Boros in ANY sealed event. Last round I played a guy who in consecutive turns played Aurelia's fury, then Aurelia, then 4/7 white Primordial, then Foundry Champion.....and I beat him by a landslide.

Boros blows. It's the Timmy Clan.

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That's, ah, not what "Timmy" means.
Each guild is a Timmy guild. Each guild is a spike guild. Each guild (with the exceptions of Boros and Gruul, I'd wager) are, to various degrees, Johnny guilds.

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Originally posted by daner:
I've mopped the floor vs. Boros decks. I've played Orzhov and haven't lost yet to Boros in ANY sealed event. Last round I played a guy who in consecutive turns played Aurelia's fury, then Aurelia, then 4/7 white Primordial, then Foundry Champion.....and I beat him by a landslide.

Boros blows. It's the Timmy Clan.

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I don't think Boros is bad, i think white is stellar either way and Orzhov has a really good time getting out of a whole if its in one.

That player sounds really bad though to punt a game after playing 4 bombs

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Originally posted by daner:
I've mopped the floor vs. Boros decks. I've played Orzhov and haven't lost yet to Boros in ANY sealed event. Last round I played a guy who in consecutive turns played Aurelia's fury, then Aurelia, then 4/7 white Primordial, then Foundry Champion.....and I beat him by a landslide.

Boros blows. It's the Timmy Clan.

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Sounds more like your playing vs really bad players....and/or you simply opened even better, neither of which are good indicators of if the colors are good or not.

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Originally posted by choco man:
does dragon maze pre-rel have guild system?

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Yep. You choose any of the ten guilds, and your prerelease box will have 4 regular boosts and guild packs from your chosen guild and a guild that shares a color and is from the opposite set as your chosen guild. Like, for example, if you chose Boros, you'll have a guild pack from Boros(RW) and then another from either Azorius(UW), Selesnya(GW), Izzet(RU), or Rakdos(RB).

Check it here.

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:

Sounds more like your playing vs really bad players....and/or you simply opened even better, neither of which are good indicators of if the colors are good or not.

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No...Boros is just a trap. If you don't hit battalion your creatures are just awful. I have a good amount of extort creatures, yes, 8 to be eaxct.....but other than the bomb Thrull I got with my pool, I have 0 rares in my deck.

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Originally posted by Bugger:

That's, ah, not what "Timmy" means.
Each guild is a Timmy guild. Each guild is a spike guild. Each guild (with the exceptions of Boros and Gruul, I'd wager) are, to various degrees, Johnny guilds.

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Boros sucks dude. I'll say it again...Boros is a trap. If you have half a brain and choose to block early and often you will win the late game Orzhov vs. Boros.

Boros relies on swarm effects. Just be willing to always make that early trade in the games you play against them. Syndic of Tithes is a great card...but I can't wait to throw it under the 3/2 Halberdier bus vs. Boros for the trade.

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
I don't think Boros is bad, i think white is stellar either way and Orzhov has a really good time getting out of a whole if its in one.

That player sounds really bad though to punt a game after playing 4 bombs

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He didn't punt this game by any means. He just died to extort triggers from a few timely removal spells.

I played turn 2 Basilica Screecher, followed by turn 3 Kingpin's Pet.....and then he just lost. The bombs he played late game were to try and get him back into the game.

People don't understand that Orzhov can be just as, it not more, aggressive than Boros...but Boros can't pull back into games like Orzhov can bc Extort is the best mechanic in all of New Ravnica Limited.

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Originally posted by daner:
No...Boros is just a trap. If you don't hit battalion your creatures are just awful. I have a good amount of extort creatures, yes, 8 to be eaxct.....but other than the bomb Thrull I got with my pool, I have 0 rares in my deck.

Boros sucks dude. I'll say it again...Boros is a trap. If you have half a brain and choose to block early and often you will win the late game Orzhov vs. Boros.

Boros relies on swarm effects. Just be willing to always make that early trade in the games you play against them. Syndic of Tithes is a great card...but I can't wait to throw it under the 3/2 Halberdier bus vs. Boros for the trade.

He didn't punt this game by any means. He just died to extort triggers from a few timely removal spells.

I played turn 2 Basilica Screecher, followed by turn 3 Kingpin's Pet.....and then he just lost. The bombs he played late game were to try and get him back into the game.

People don't understand that Orzhov can be just as, it not more, aggressive than Boros...but Boros can't pull back into games like Orzhov can bc Extort is the best mechanic in all of New Ravnica Limited.

Can you get run over? Yes....every guild has the ability to do so. Infact the best nut draws I've seen actually come from another guild I never see anybody play for sealed. Simic. Yet if your thinking about playing a guild I'd suggest Orzhov over any. Has aggression, has reach, has the removal, and has some bombs too...even though I didn't really open any(guild foil doesn't count).

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Which makes it funny how as Boros I only ever lost to Boros, I crushed every other Guild without any trouble, and I had only Foundry Champ as a Bomb

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
Which makes it funny how as Boros I only ever lost to Boros, I crushed every other Guild without any trouble, and I had only Foundry Champ as a Bomb

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Originally posted by daner:
Hey, suit yourself...that's fine if you did. I'm just saying I don't particularly like Boros at all. You lost to the mirror...well, get ready to play the Mirror a LOT if you pick Boros on MTGO. The real question is...could you have gotten back into some of those games you lost if you were Orzhov and had extort? I'd wager the answer is...yes. Which is why I'll pick Orzhov. I don't want to lose bc I didn't go first twice in a mirror. Which I do see happen a lot in the Boros mirror, and like you said has happened to you.

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Nope, had 3-4 extort cards in all my boros decks, when I lost it was to a big bomb that ended it right then and there...As Boros I always won grindy games, and lost to big bombs that ended that turn or the next.

and yea, Boros is usually who goes first.

Also not liking is much different then saying its hands down the worst, which is what you were saying before.

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
Nope, had 3-4 extort cards in all my boros decks, when I lost it was to a big bomb that ended it right then and there...As Boros I always won grindy games, and lost to big bombs that ended that turn or the next.

and yea, Boros is usually who goes first.

Also not liking is much different then saying its hands down the worst, which is what you were saying before.

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It is pretty much hands down the worst. It's not fun to play, it's pretty straight forward. It can't defeat bombs. It has little reach. It can't comback from the backfoot. Usually the mirror winner is th coinflip winner. LAME.

EDIT: And this isn't like a Jund deck debate either....it's not the best guild bc the most people play it...it's bc any moron can turn their creatures sideways. It requires ZERO thought to pilot a Boros deck. If more people would branch out into the other guilds they'd see that Boros isn't that great.

EDIT2: If you want to get REALLY cute draft the Spire Tracer + Madcap skills deck.

Bill Postlethwait just took down the SCG Edison Open with 0, that's right, ZERO cards from GTC in his 75 card list. Good to know WOTC really knew how to shake up an already stale meta! .....pffffftttttttttttttttttttttttt

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Originally posted by daner:
Sorry for the Double post but I wanted to make sur ethis wasn't lost in all my edits....

Bill Postlethwait just took down the SCG Edison Open with 0, that's right, ZERO cards from GTC in his 75 card list. Good to know WOTC really knew how to shake up an already stale meta! .....pffffftttttttttttttttttttttttt

Dear god Gatecrash is the worst.

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