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marlo213
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quote:
Originally posted by Volcanon:
Even a big cube, turn one sol ring is basically GG.
Vault, library and balance are less abusive. It's really the moxen, crypt and sol ring that are oppressive.

People you play with must all be terrible

 
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Here we go again!
 
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Stumbled upon this a minute ago. Thought id share
( site is awesome btw, not soliciting as I have nothing to do with it)
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1464555500/the-gathering-reuniting-pioneering-artists-of-magi?ref=discover_pop
 
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Whats the best way to keep a sales list of say 100-300 cards up todate with prices with out having to price each card.

Some of the sales list I've seen on here would take days to price. Is it best to break the list up into sections by value? Say $25.00, $15.00, $5.00, $2.00, $1.00 as an example then just round a card's price up or down to fit in?

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Timmyhill on February 26, 2013]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Timmyhill:
Whats the best way to keep a sales list of say 100-300 cards up todate with prices with out having to price each card.

Some of the sales list I've seen on here would take days to price. Is it best to break the list up into sections by value? Say $25.00, $15.00, $5.00, $2.00, $1.00 as an example then just round a card's price up or down to fit in?


Yea, breaking into brackets helps, both buyer and seller, there are also a few sites that avg prices from a variety of sources...just matter of finding one you like.

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How often should a list be updated? I have a bunch of stuff I want to sell but awhile back I totally missed out on the jump entomb did and I just don't want to lose too much on a card.

A buck or two either I'm fine with.

 
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I want 4x Japanese Non Foil Burning-Tree Emissary and some other non foil, playable Japanese cards (mainly commons and uncommons).

Who do you guys recommend I should trade with, thats from Japan and would have easy access to such things

~MM

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Originally posted by walkerdog:
It's kind of spendy, sure, but it is a great great format. Champions is probably the best cheapish set for draft atm. Onslaught really suffers from loss of dmg on the stack.

Champions is not cheap. You are looking at 250-300 per box. If you want to stay under 200, you have Odyssey, Shards of Alara, Invasion and Mirrodin as your choices.

 
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What's the cheapest non-Tibalt planeswalker?

On a similar note, what's a fair buy price on bulk foil promos? I'm talking NM but not playable outside of very casual stuff?

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quote:
Originally posted by iccarus:
What's the cheapest non-Tibalt planeswalker?



Standard legal?

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quote:
Originally posted by iccarus:
What's the cheapest non-Tibalt planeswalker?


CFB is selling Garruk Wildspeaker, Koth of the Hammer, and Ajani Vengeant for $3.99 each and Chandra Nalaar for $3.49; I believe multiple printings of all of these have kept their prices really low.

Edit to add: I think Vraska or Chandra the Firebrand is the cheapest Standard legal planeswalker.

[Edited 2 times, lastly by yakusoku on February 26, 2013]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
Standard legal?

~MM



In something of a stunner (to me, maybe not to you), it appears to be Bolas.

Nonstandard (also a BIT surprising to me) is Chandra Nalaar, as low as 1.99 (s-chinese) on SCG.


[Edited 1 times, lastly by walkerdog on February 26, 2013]

 
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posted February 26, 2013 05:21 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Volcanon Click Here to Email Volcanon Send a private message to Volcanon Click to send Volcanon an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by marlo213:
People you play with must all be terrible

The cube that had sol ring, etc was lucas siow's. Played with him and a bunch of other toronto people.

 
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so if Wild Nacatl is to strong for Modern and t3 kills are too fast for modern, shouldn't the same logic apply to standard?
Champion of the Parish is better than Nacatl in standard right now and the Naya Humans deck can kill on t3(though rare).
Wild Nacatl is partially band becasue of how easy it is to be 3/3 on t2, yet champion can do that as well, and then on t3 get even bigger etc, etc... so is it possible that WOTC should consider banning Champion in standard? I'm not saying they should or shouldn't but based on Nacatl being banned in modern and champion (though restricted by only humans making him bigger) can actually be much better in a human deck, and generally WOTC doesn't like standard decks that kill that fast.

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quote:
Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
Standard legal?

~MM


No restriction, really. I've been running mini-master tournaments for the magic club at my wife's school. Pretty much 4th-8th graders. One of the parents does the prize support (packs), but the kids go nuts whenever one of them cracks a Planeswalker and I thought that would be a cool alternate prize. I just wanted to see if there were any I could pick up super cheap that would still be playable in their 80-card un-sleeved decks.

So, it looks like OG Garruk and Chandra are my best bet.

Anyone have advice on cheap promo prices? I mean, if I posted a buy thread offering like $0.25 for random NM foil promos, would I get any bites?

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quote:
Originally posted by Volcanon:
The cube that had sol ring, etc was lucas siow's. Played with him and a bunch of other toronto people.

T1 Sol-Ring is always the most broken thing you can do in cube. I know some semi pro players that want it removed from every cube because its too broken.

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quote:
Originally posted by iccarus:
No restriction, really. I've been running mini-master tournaments for the magic club at my wife's school. Pretty much 4th-8th graders. One of the parents does the prize support (packs), but the kids go nuts whenever one of them cracks a Planeswalker and I thought that would be a cool alternate prize. I just wanted to see if there were any I could pick up super cheap that would still be playable in their 80-card un-sleeved decks.

So, it looks like OG Garruk and Chandra are my best bet.

Anyone have advice on cheap promo prices? I mean, if I posted a buy thread offering like $0.25 for random NM foil promos, would I get any bites?


for some yes, I got some Garruk's Horde Promo's like 2-3 sealed packs, also other lower end promo's would also gte hits at 0.25/ea

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quote:
Originally posted by WeedIan:
T1 Sol-Ring is always the most broken thing you can do in cube. I know some semi pro players that want it removed from every cube because its too broken.


Actually probably T1 crypt is worse. I recall a T1 crypt swamp bitterblossom, T2 swamp braids play. Gee Gee.

I duck the entire issue with my most recent cube since it's tribal pauper. It's like playing a high power Onslaught draft without the rares.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Vegas10:
so if Wild Nacatl is to strong for Modern and t3 kills are too fast for modern, shouldn't the same logic apply to standard?
Champion of the Parish is better than Nacatl in standard right now and the Naya Humans deck can kill on t3(though rare).
Wild Nacatl is partially band becasue of how easy it is to be 3/3 on t2, yet champion can do that as well, and then on t3 get even bigger etc, etc... so is it possible that WOTC should consider banning Champion in standard? I'm not saying they should or shouldn't but based on Nacatl being banned in modern and champion (though restricted by only humans making him bigger) can actually be much better in a human deck, and generally WOTC doesn't like standard decks that kill that fast.

Modern and standard are way too different for a clean comparison. Standard rotates, modern doesn't; standard changes heavily with the release of each new set, modern doesn't. An occasional (and rare) t3 kill in standard is a lot less of an issue than a reliable turn three kill in modern. One may well get dragged under by meta game shifts, the other one is much more likely to stick around.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Volcanon:
Actually probably T1 crypt is worse. I recall a T1 crypt swamp bitterblossom, T2 swamp braids play. Gee Gee.

I duck the entire issue with my most recent cube since it's tribal pauper. It's like playing a high power Onslaught draft without the rares.


Crypt is better the turn you play it. Every turn afterwards, it's much worse than Sol Ring.

I'll give you that perfect/dream opening that you mention. Curving out perfectly with Crypt is devastating, but most "god" openers are devastating.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by WeedIan:
T1 Sol-Ring is always the most broken thing you can do in cube. I know some semi pro players that want it removed from every cube because its too broken.


Eh, I understand sol ring is an easy first pick and I agree it is broken, but my cube has a lot of XX 2 drops to try to balance it out. If you are going to go broken, you can't eliminate a sol ring and claim to be playing magic's best cards. You could just cut the broken completely and have a cube that is just another cube.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by choco man:
Crypt is better the turn you play it. Every turn afterwards, it's much worse than Sol Ring.

I'll give you that perfect/dream opening that you mention. Curving out perfectly with Crypt is devastating, but most "god" openers are devastating.


The damage is never relevant when you're playing with the strongest cards ever printed. It's still a double timewalk for zero with a drawback that might be between zero and nine damage over many turns. Which really doesn't matter when you play a turn four inferno titan or whatever.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Volcanon:
The damage is never relevant when you're playing with the strongest cards ever printed. It's still a double timewalk for zero with a drawback that might be between zero and nine damage over many turns. Which really doesn't matter when you play a turn four inferno titan or whatever.

I suppose Sol Ring also powers out its fair share of turn 4 Titans. Except you never, never take damage from Sol Ring.

If damage isn't relevant, then why is Inferno Titan relevant?

Even in powered cubes, damage is relevant and aggro is very good. Unless you win turn one, I suppose your opponent drafted a deck and came to play as well.

Using your very good turn 1 mana crypt opener-curve out as a reference, turn 1 Bitterblossom isn't game. And turn 2 Braids has many 1cc/2cc answers.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by choco man:
I suppose Sol Ring also powers out its fair share of turn 4 Titans. Except you never, never take damage from Sol Ring.

If damage isn't relevant, then why is Inferno Titan relevant?

Even in powered cubes, damage is relevant and aggro is very good. Unless you win turn one, I suppose your opponent drafted a deck and came to play as well.

Using your very good turn 1 mana crypt opener-curve out as a reference, turn 1 Bitterblossom isn't game. And turn 2 Braids has many 1cc/2cc answers.


Even if turn 1 crypt->blossom->braids doesn't have answers your probability of drawing that hand + 4 other cards (one of which must produce black mana and be a land) is slightly higher than 0.00315953605 and at that point I think dragonstorm in type 2 had a higher turn 1 kill rate. Why are we arguing corner cases galore here? Furthermore if your opponent keeps getting this ridiculous openings, I'd say you could construct a hypothesis test to show he is cheating and get it in a nice confidence interval.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
I want 4x Japanese Non Foil Burning-Tree Emissary and some other non foil, playable Japanese cards (mainly commons and uncommons).

Who do you guys recommend I should trade with, thats from Japan and would have easy access to such things

~MM


I have a bit of stuff from Shards, Zen & Scars blocks if that help, lmk.

You could try Michael French, if he is still active, and sl4sh3r. There is another dude called dunk but I do not know him.

 

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