quote:

---

Originally posted by Volcanon:
The damage is never relevant when you're playing with the strongest cards ever printed. It's still a double timewalk for zero with a drawback that might be between zero and nine damage over many turns. Which really doesn't matter when you play a turn four inferno titan or whatever.

---

quote:

---

Originally posted by marlo213:
It's relevant when they answer your threat and you are on topdeck mode and are bolting yourself every turn. Usually when you picked the mana crypt, the guy next to you didn't exactly pick progenitus either. And honestly, if you are using turn 4 inferno titan as why mana crypt is "oppressive" (T4 titan was a normal play when it was standard legal), you are not cubing correctly

---

Turn 4 Titan is still very good. What's wrong with it? Even a powered environment, simple power plays are still powerful plays. Your openers aren't always the same, and you don't always cascade into bombs (t2 signet, t3 bloodbraid, cascade into tinker for Sundering Titan -> but you could equally cascade into a signet).

Stop accusing Volc of "being bad" or "playing wrong," you don't know for sure.

What is sure, is that Mana Crypt is great. Except it's only better than Sol Ring for the turn that it's played.

quote:

---

Originally posted by oneofchaos:
Even if turn 1 crypt->blossom->braids doesn't have answers your probability of drawing that hand + 4 other cards (one of which must produce black mana and be a land) is slightly higher than 0.00315953605 and at that point I think dragonstorm in type 2 had a higher turn 1 kill rate. Why are we arguing corner cases galore here? Furthermore if your opponent keeps getting this ridiculous openings, I'd say you could construct a hypothesis test to show he is cheating and get it in a nice confidence interval.

---

For craziness, you don't need any 4 specific cards (braids, bitterblossom, mana crypt, swamp); just need the Mana Crypt alone to 2x time walk an opponent.

quote:

---

Originally posted by Vegas10:
so if Wild Nacatl is to strong for Modern and t3 kills are too fast for modern, shouldn't the same logic apply to standard?
Champion of the Parish is better than Nacatl in standard right now and the Naya Humans deck can kill on t3(though rare).
Wild Nacatl is partially band becasue of how easy it is to be 3/3 on t2, yet champion can do that as well, and then on t3 get even bigger etc, etc... so is it possible that WOTC should consider banning Champion in standard? I'm not saying they should or shouldn't but based on Nacatl being banned in modern and champion (though restricted by only humans making him bigger) can actually be much better in a human deck, and generally WOTC doesn't like standard decks that kill that fast.

---

Because if my unsummon resets your Champ to below 3/3 (as does azorious charm) and the counterspells in Standard are not mana leak/remand. The final straw in Nacatl's case was when Zoo became basically a weird aggro/tempo/control deck, because it had the best 1-drop, the largest 3-drop, and counters to protect it from combo, sweepers, etc.

I do think that Supreme Verdict and Abrupt decay make Nacatl fair again though.

quote:

---

Originally posted by choco man:

Stop accusing Volc of "being bad" or "playing wrong," you don't know for sure.

---

Wait. You're saying people can disagree on something without being wrong?!

quote:

---

Originally posted by Bugger:
Get the hell out of Magic Discussion, we don't need no maturity in here

---

quote:

---

Originally posted by choco man:
Turn 4 Titan is still very good. What's wrong with it? Even a powered environment, simple power plays are still powerful plays. Your openers aren't always the same, and you don't always cascade into bombs (t2 signet, t3 bloodbraid, cascade into tinker for Sundering Titan -> but you could equally cascade into a signet).

Stop accusing Volc of "being bad" or "playing wrong," you don't know for sure.

---

Learn to read, he said "oppressive", turn 4 titan is good, not oppressive. The bitterblossom into braid example however, is oppresive

quote:

---

Originally posted by Bugger:
Wait. You're saying people can disagree on something without being wrong?!

Get the hell out of Magic Discussion, we don't need no maturity in here

---

And I am gonna need another soda/QUOTE]

quote:

---

Originally posted by marlo213:
Learn to read, he said "oppressive", turn 4 titan is good, not oppressive. The bitterblossom into braid example however, is oppresive

And I am gonna need another soda

---

You've gotten such bad beats on MOTL, but you still don't have to jump at everyone who quotes you. No one is trying to attack you. Maybe you should learn how to read.

I don't like Volc's comments very much (still waiting on a reply about the lotto). But I don't call him dumb just because. If he says Mana Crypt is better than Sol Ring, just because he's not correct doesn't mean anything other than he's incorrect. He's not a bad player and he didn't fail reading.

I mean I do disagree with you a bit. Since all you care to do is disagree, here:
1. Using pokemon cards in mtg cube
2. Calling Volc and his play group "bad at mtg" and having no particular/legit reason to do so
3. Turn 4 Titan isn't cubing the wrong way

You have some notion set in stone about what cube is "supposed to be." "A real cube should have power".... "You're cubing the wrong way,"....

In a situation where someone was clearly in the wrong and lying, you didn't want other people telling you what to do. So in a situation which is completely personal choice (building a cube), all you care to do is to tell other people what to do?

If soda helps your brain, go fizz up.

quote:

---

Originally posted by choco man:
You've gotten such bad beats on MOTL, but you still don't have to jump at everyone who quotes you. No one is trying to attack you. Maybe you should learn how to read.

I don't like Volc's comments very much (still waiting on a reply about the lotto). But I don't call him dumb just because. If he says Mana Crypt is better than Sol Ring, just because he's not correct doesn't mean anything other than he's incorrect. He's not a bad player and he didn't fail reading.

I mean I do disagree with you a bit. Since all you care to do is disagree, here:
1. Using pokemon cards in mtg cube
2. Calling Volc and his play group "bad at mtg" and having no particular/legit reason to do so
3. Turn 4 Titan isn't cubing the wrong way

You have some notion set in stone about what cube is "supposed to be." "A real cube should have power".... "You're cubing the wrong way,"....

In a situation where someone was clearly in the wrong and lying, you didn't want other people telling you what to do. So in a situation which is completely personal choice (building a cube), all you care to do is to tell other people what to do?

If soda helps your brain, go fizz up.

btw: if you want to keep bashing Volc for anything that he actually posts, please do.

---

I never called him dumb, and I don't think he is, maybe you do from your comment though. I also never belittled anyone for making a non-power cube and I do believe in personalizing your cube (since the point is for you to have fun with it). I do however, think you put your nose in things that don't need your input. Volc is a big boy, I have read his posts, if something offends him, I am sure he can defend himself.

So stop trying to be paragonbot and stick to the topics

ps. professor oak has brought more laughs (in games or jokes in general) than any other card in the cube

quote:

---

Originally posted by oneofchaos:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by marlo213:

And I am gonna need another soda/QUOTE]

Find another friend to rip somebody off? You mentioned earlier that your friends all acted similar, so this shouldn't be a hard task. Knowing your luck tho, you'll be stuck with an RC Cola.

---

quote:

---

Originally posted by marlo213:
I never called him dumb, and I don't think he is, maybe you do from your comment though. I also never belittled anyone for making a non-power cube and I do believe in personalizing your cube (since the point is for you to have fun with it). I do however, think you put your nose in things that don't need your input. Volc is a big boy, I have read his posts, if something offends him, I am sure he can defend himself.

So stop trying to be paragonbot and stick to the topics

ps. professor oak has brought more laughs (in games or jokes in general) than any other card in the cube

Nope, surprisingly slow weeks. Maybe this weekend though, knock on wood!

---

What is life like for you outside of M:TG that leaves you with such a chip on your shoulder? That you turn every discussion into a competition, and frame it such that you always "win" (or, at least, so that people who disagree with you in your mind are stupid doodooheads)?

quote:

---

Originally posted by Bugger:
What is life like for you outside of M:TG that leaves you with such a chip on your shoulder? That you turn every discussion into a competition, and frame it such that you always "win" (or, at least, so that people who disagree with you in your mind are stupid doodooheads)?

I'm honestly curious.

---

quote:

---

Originally posted by Volcanon:
It's better trolling on my part to simply ignore Marlo. He does more damage to himself than I ever could.

---

I take back what I said about not thinking you are dumb.

PS. I may not be well liked, but trust me, you are not far behind. Oh and I also don't do this:

quote:

---

Originally posted by hilikuS:
Marlo might be the Charlie Sheen of MOTL, just not as well understood, lol.

---

__________________
****Attention****

quote:

---

Originally posted by hilikuS:
Do any of the dealer sites stock artist signed Magic cards?

---

quote:

---

Originally posted by caquaa:
not on purpose. They're harder to move than unsigned versions. I'm sure some dealers end up w/ them by buying collections and that sort of thing, but good luck finding them listed on their sites.

---

Speaking of which, what about signed foils? or artist signed/doodled foils? Is there a premium on those?

__________________
****Attention****

~MM

__________________
Blah, blah, blah werewolf. Smackity-smack not a werewolf. Suspicious of this fruit loop.
My vote this round will be for Player X.

Proportionally speaking, Magic isn't worth the money I put into it anymore. I never have time to just hang with friends and play anymore. I miss hose days. I'm sure I glorify them because they're gone.

I had a deck that I called "Slack" when I was strictly a casual player. It used Sleight of Mind, Magical Hack, and Mind Bend on cards like Karma, Conversion, and Light of Day.

quote:

---

Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
Why the sudden rush on Thruns?

~MM

---

quote:

---

Originally posted by Thanos:
Seeing play in Jund in Modern.

---

I didn't even think that would replace BBE

quote:

---

Originally posted by WeedIan:
I didn't even think that would replace BBE

---