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Originally posted by stinkinogre:
I'm not sure either. He seems bad to me. I'm sure someone will try to break him with LED or Zombie Infestation. How would he work if it was a draw 2 cards spell with him on the board? 2 life and 4 cards? Assuming you had no cards when you cast it?

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Originally posted by junichi:
Blood Scrivener would be terrible if you are looking for it to fill the void of Phyrexian Arena in a control deck, but if you are using him in an aggro or b/r Sligh variant where you need to constantly consume your spells to put pressure on your opponent, he would definitely shine.

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Seems like an all in plan that's not very good. With him out on the board, you are gonna try to dump your hand and may make sub-optimal trades trying to get there, and when they kill him after you dumped your hand, well now you just have an empty hand. But if you don't try to dump your hand, then you just have a 2/1 for 2, and that's pretty terrible

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Originally posted by stinkinogre:
I'm not sure either. He seems bad to me. I'm sure someone will try to break him with LED or Zombie Infestation. How would he work if it was a draw 2 cards spell with him on the board? 2 life and 4 cards? Assuming you had no cards when you cast it?

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Originally posted by marlo213:
Seems like an all in plan that's not very good. With him out on the board, you are gonna try to dump your hand and may make sub-optimal trades trying to get there, and when they kill him after you dumped your hand, well now you just have an empty hand. But if you don't try to dump your hand, then you just have a 2/1 for 2, and that's pretty terrible

I am no rule expert but I am 99% sure that it's a replacement effect so you would only draw the additional card off of the first card if you were brainstorm or something. However, if actually get to draw 6 off of a brainstorm, then I will retract my above statement about him

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Considered how fast some of the standard aggro decks are, playing conservatively might not be the right play.

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It seems like your are fixated on getting him out there first, then unload your hand, instead of the other way around. Despite he has a CMC of 2, rarely would you want to cast him on your turn 2 instead of your other 2 drops.

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Originally posted by junichi:
Considered how fast some of the standard aggro decks are, playing conservatively might not be the right play.

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It seems like your are fixated on getting him out there first, then unload your hand, instead of the other way around. Despite he has a CMC of 2, rarely would you want to cast him on your turn 2 instead of your other 2 drops.

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Originally posted by marlo213:
yeah but then it's just the scute mob complex

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Nowadays, it's much easier to unload your hand than hitting 5 lands, especially with Burning-Tree Emissary around.

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Originally posted by Gatherer:
If a spell or ability causes you to draw multiple cards, Thought Reflection's effect doubles the total number you would draw. For example, if you cast Concentrate ("Draw three cards"), you'll draw 6 cards.

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Originally posted by coasterdude84:
Per the Gathering ruling for Thought Reflection:

I would assume, therefore, Brainstorming off this Hellbent Bob would work the same way, yielding 6 cards, of which 2 go back.

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Originally posted by walkerdog:
You would assume wrongly.

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Originally posted by coasterdude84:
Explain.

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Originally posted by walkerdog:
Because after drawing the first card from brainstorm (and the extra + lose 1 life from scrivener), you have cards in hand, and you don't draw extras with the next two.

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Originally posted by coasterdude84:
All 3 cards are drawn simultaneously off of the brainstorm, it's not 1 at a time.

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Originally posted by walkerdog:
You still draw - draw the bonus card from Blood, then draw two more. You don't go "draw all three cards in one stack" or something dumb like that. That's like saying that any card in the top 3 could be miracled if you brainstorm - they are NOT drawn all at once. They are all drawn as part of the spell resolution, but not "at once."

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Originally posted by walkerdog:
You still draw - draw the bonus card from Blood, then draw two more. You don't go "draw all three cards in one stack" or something dumb like that. That's like saying that any card in the top 3 could be miracled if you brainstorm - they are NOT drawn all at once. They are all drawn as part of the spell resolution, but not "at once."

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Its a replacement effect not a triggered ability. So it looks at when you draw a card, says oh you have no card so draw 2 then you draw the next one and it says oh you have cards now don't draw 2.

The rules to back it up.

120.2. Cards may only be drawn one at a time. If a player is instructed to draw multiple cards, that player performs that many individual card draws.

120.6b If an effect replaces a draw within a sequence of card draws, the replacement effect is completed before resuming the sequence.

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Originally posted by TimeBeing:
Its a replacement effect not a triggered ability. So it looks at when you draw a card, says oh you have no card so draw 2 then you draw the next one and it says oh you have cards now don't draw 2.

The rules to back it up.

120.2. Cards may only be drawn one at a time. If a player is instructed to draw multiple cards, that player performs that many individual card draws.

120.6b If an effect replaces a draw within a sequence of card draws, the replacement effect is completed before resuming the sequence.

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Originally posted by junichi:
Nowadays, it's much easier to unload your hand than hitting 5 lands, especially with Burning-Tree Emissary around.

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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
Wow. New GW Mythic is sooooooo good!!!

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ld/242

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That card's awesome

Who needs Murder when you can cast Putrefy?

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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
Wow. New GW Mythic is sooooooo good!!!

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ld/242

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
Anything that hoses draw-go is good. That archetype must be crushed until deader than dead. It's also good against control strategies as well, though you might just end up with a 1/1 token after they Murder your GW mythic dude.

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Originally posted by revenger:
Could someone plz post the entire new cards for someone who is unable to see them from a cell phone. Much appreciated.

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Renegade Krasis
1GG
Creature - Beast Mutant
Evolve
Whenever Renegade Krasis evolves, put a +1/+1
counter on each other creature you control with a
+1/+1 counter on it.
3/2

Voice of Resurgence
GW
Creature - Elemental
Whenever an opponent casts a spell during your turn,
or whenever Voice of Resurgence dies, put a green
and white Elemental creature token onto the battlefield
with "This creature's power and toughness are each
equal to the number of creatures you control."
2/2

Council of the Absolute
2WU
Legendary Creature - Human Advisor
As Council of the Absolute enters the battlefield, name
a card other than a creature or a land card.

Your opponents can't cast the chosen card.