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Topic: The Post For Dragon's Maze Discussion
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Link139232
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posted March 23, 2013 08:05 PM
        
Discuss new cards here. First one!Ruric Thar, the Unbowed
Legendary Creature - Ogre Warrior
4RG Vigilance, reach
Ruric Thar, the Unbowed attacks each turn if able.
Whenever a player casts a noncreature spell, Ruric Thar deals 6 damage to that player. 6/6
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iccarus
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posted March 23, 2013 08:15 PM
That will be awesome in my all-creature Animar deck.__________________
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thror
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posted March 23, 2013 08:52 PM
i wish they would have printed that in a SMALLER size. say, 1RG, 3/4, deals 3? 6 drops just dont impress me anymore...edit: no idea why a red/green creature has vigilance either.
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Zeckk
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posted March 23, 2013 11:40 PM
I'm starting to resent the existence of the commander format, because its giving these designers free reign to design ridiculously overcosted legendary creatures that would otherwise see play if they had smaller increments in terms of P/T, cmc, and effect. Gimme a 4/4 for 4 that deals 4 damage and suddenly he's actually a playable midrange dude. He also becomes an answerable bomb in limited.
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Pail42
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posted March 24, 2013 07:11 AM
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Originally posted by thror:
i wish they would have printed that in a SMALLER size. say, 1RG, 3/4, deals 3? 6 drops just dont impress me anymore...edit: no idea why a red/green creature has vigilance either.
I agree. Commander players and kids go nuts for big fatties. I'm sure I would have been really excited by that creature when I was 17. I think vigilance is supposed to be secondary in green - which makes me wonder does reach have a secondary color?
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keywacat
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posted March 24, 2013 08:07 AM
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Originally posted by thror:
no idea why a red/green creature has vigilance either.
Because reach doesn't mean anything if he has to attack every turn? As a dedicated EDH player I second his inclusion in an Animar build. 
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choco man
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posted March 24, 2013 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by Zeckk:
I'm starting to resent the existence of the commander format, because its giving these designers free reign to design ridiculously overcosted legendary creatures that would otherwise see play if they had smaller increments in terms of P/T, cmc, and effect. Gimme a 4/4 for 4 that deals 4 damage and suddenly he's actually a playable midrange dude. He also becomes an answerable bomb in limited.
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Originally posted by Pail42:
I agree. Commander players and kids go nuts for big fatties. I'm sure I would have been really excited by that creature when I was 17.I think vigilance is supposed to be secondary in green - which makes me wonder does reach have a secondary color?
There exists casual MTG outside of EDH.
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oneofchaos
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posted March 24, 2013 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by choco man:
There exists casual MTG outside of EDH.
Pics or gtfo!
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revenger
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posted March 24, 2013 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by Zeckk:
I'm starting to resent the existence of the commander format, because its giving these designers free reign to design ridiculously overcosted legendary creatures that would otherwise see play if they had smaller increments in terms of P/T, cmc, and effect. Gimme a 4/4 for 4 that deals 4 damage and suddenly he's actually a playable midrange dude. He also becomes an answerable bomb in limited.
Personally I am thinking of just concentrating on EDH. These other formats are just to expensive to keep up with. Who cares if it's a limited bomb or dud in a format. It's called magic the gathering. Get over it.
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Pail42
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posted March 24, 2013 05:29 PM
Here's a link to the spoiler page on mtg salvation. http://www.mtgsalvation.com/dragons-maze-spoiler.htmlquote:
Originally posted by choco man:
There exists casual MTG outside of EDH.
I agree. I was 17 14 years ago. I didn't mean to imply that I was playing EDH, but I was playing very casual decks and lots of big (5+) multiplayer games. If EDH even existed back then I had never heard of it.
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Swift2210
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posted March 24, 2013 09:30 PM
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Originally posted by Zeckk:
I'm starting to resent the existence of the commander format, because its giving these designers free reign to design ridiculously overcosted legendary creatures that would otherwise see play if they had smaller increments in terms of P/T, cmc, and effect. Gimme a 4/4 for 4 that deals 4 damage and suddenly he's actually a playable midrange dude. He also becomes an answerable bomb in limited.
The EDH creatures I'm looking for are generally cheap, powerful ETB creatures. If the cc is over 6 it better be a real back-breaker
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Zeckk
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posted March 24, 2013 11:54 PM
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Originally posted by Swift2210:
The EDH creatures I'm looking for are generally cheap, powerful ETB creatures. If the cc is over 6 it better be a real back-breaker
Given the easy access to artifact ramp and green-based ramp, 6 mana is about right for creatures that make a significant impact in a multiplayer format. With that said, R&D does need to focus more on PT-supported formats in terms of cards like Ruric Thar. The existence of EDH and casual does not give a designer an excuse to make bad cards.
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thror
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posted March 25, 2013 12:14 AM
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Originally posted by Zeckk:
The existence of EDH and casual does not give a designer an excuse to make bad cards.
actually, that is precisely what their existence does. casual play drives more booster sales than anything else. 'bad' cards have to exist, not every 6 drop can be primeval titan or consecrated sphinx. i just wish we could get a little more power in the 3-5 cc slot for constructed, instead of the focus on 6+cc splashy monsters. __________________
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Lord Crovax
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posted March 25, 2013 12:32 AM
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Originally posted by thror:
actually, that is precisely what their existence does. casual play drives more booster sales than anything else. 'bad' cards have to exist, not every 6 drop can be primeval titan or consecrated sphinx. i just wish we could get a little more power in the 3-5 cc slot for constructed, instead of the focus on 6+cc splashy monsters.
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marlo213
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posted March 25, 2013 08:07 AM
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Originally posted by Link139232:
Discuss new cards here. First one!Ruric Thar, the Unbowed
Legendary Creature - Ogre Warrior
4RG Vigilance, reach
Ruric Thar, the Unbowed attacks each turn if able.
Whenever a player casts a noncreature spell, Ruric Thar deals 6 damage to that player. 6/6
Is this dude the release or are they doing all 10 guilds?
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Pail42
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posted March 25, 2013 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by marlo213:
Is this dude the release or are they doing all 10 guilds?
"Everyone who plays in a Dragon's Maze Prerelease will get the same alternate-art promo foil card, while supplies last. This card will not be playable in your Prerelease deck." http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1156
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CubFan81
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posted March 25, 2013 10:32 AM
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Originally posted by marlo213:
Is this dude the release or are they doing all 10 guilds?
The Pre-release promo is the Mythic Land (Maze's End).
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MeddlingMage
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posted March 25, 2013 03:14 PM
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walkerdog
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posted March 25, 2013 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by thror:
i wish they would have printed that in a SMALLER size. say, 1RG, 3/4, deals 3? 6 drops just dont impress me anymore...edit: no idea why a red/green creature has vigilance either.
Thematically I think it's so he's fighting ALL of the things everywhere (by attacking and blocking every turn if you want).
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potaguitar
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posted March 25, 2013 03:46 PM
Anybody see the new art for Teysa? Looks pretty amazing to me.http://cspranklerun.tumblr.com/ It's currently the first post
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Zeckk
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posted March 25, 2013 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by thror:
actually, that is precisely what their existence does. casual play drives more booster sales than anything else. 'bad' cards have to exist, not every 6 drop can be primeval titan or consecrated sphinx. i just wish we could get a little more power in the 3-5 cc slot for constructed, instead of the focus on 6+cc splashy monsters.
I should have elaborated as to what constitutes a "bad" card. I understand the theory behind skill tester cards. Ruric Thar is bad design because the card took theoretically playable abilities and a creative game effect, and simply tuned the numbers beyond the reach of most formats. The competitive formats tend to put a premium on either really expensive or really efficient creatures, so seeing a 6cmc slot card without a powerful impact on the board state is a waste of time and effort, not to mention the waste of the value of a booster pack.
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Pail42
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posted March 25, 2013 06:17 PM
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Originally posted by potaguitar:
Anybody see the new art for Teysa? Looks pretty amazing to me.
Not until you linked it. Looks fantastic!
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hilikuS
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posted March 26, 2013 05:56 AM
The new Teysa art reminds me way too much of Liliana of the Veil.
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CubFan81
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posted April 02, 2013 07:47 AM
The reason I hate April 1st can be summed up with Varolz, the Scar-Striped.People get too involved in fooling people that other people are extra suspicious in not being fooled so when anything is revealed/reported they say its fake only then you have people coming in saying yeah but if it was real then I would reveal it on April 1st so people thought it was fake and then the trick would be that it wasn't and on and on it goes. That said, I'll lean towards it being real or a really good attempt at coming up with a design that fits the description they gave at PAX. And for discussion reference: Varolz, the Scar-Striped - 2BG Legendary Creature - Troll Warrior If Varolz, the Scar-Striped would be destroyed, regenerate it and put a +1/+1 counter on it.
Remove a +1/+/1 counter from Varolz: Varolz gains deathtough until end of turn. 4/4
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Link139232
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posted April 02, 2013 08:26 AM
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Originally posted by CubFan81:
The reason I hate April 1st can be summed up with Varolz, the Scar-Striped.People get too involved in fooling people that other people are extra suspicious in not being fooled so when anything is revealed/reported they say its fake only then you have people coming in saying yeah but if it was real then I would reveal it on April 1st so people thought it was fake and then the trick would be that it wasn't and on and on it goes. That said, I'll lean towards it being real or a really good attempt at coming up with a design that fits the description they gave at PAX. And for discussion reference: Varolz, the Scar-Striped - 2BG Legendary Creature - Troll Warrior If Varolz, the Scar-Striped would be destroyed, regenerate it and put a +1/+1 counter on it.
Remove a +1/+/1 counter from Varolz: Varolz gains deathtough until end of turn. 4/4
Not happening. That guy is absolutely busted.
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