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kenjg Member	posted June 07, 2013 04:53 PM I can honestly say I was disappointed with my box. I ended up getting a bunch of rares that likely will never see play (countryside crushers, cold-eyed selkie, yosei, the morning star was my mythic foil, figure of destiny, demigod of revenge). The only good cards, near as I could tell are the engineered explosives, sword of fire and ice, tooth and nail and progenitus. All in all there is no way these boxes are value for money unless you get the lucky foil pull like tarmogoyf or sword or some such, and there are entirely too many scattered useless rares. A reprint run like this should focus on adding the best of a series of sets, not the most useless, especially on limited print runs. I'd rate this set as worth maybe a regular box's value, not more, given that they also chopped 12 packs out. Definitely no way this is worth $220-$250 per box; the value for money is no where near that high [Edited 1 times, lastly by kenjg on June 17, 2013]
mtglover Member	posted June 07, 2013 06:05 PM quote: Originally posted by kenjg: I can honestly say I was disappointed with my box. I ended up getting a bunch of rares that likely will never see play (countryside crushers, cold-eyed selkie, yosei, the morning star was my mythic foil, figure of destiny, demigod of revenge). The only good cards, near as I could tell are the engineered explosives, sword of fire and ice, tooth and nail and progenitus. All in all there is no way these boxes are value for money unless you get the lucky foil pull like tarmogoyf or sword or some such, and there are entirely too many scattered useless rares. A reprint run like this should focus on adding the best of a series of sets, not the most useless, especially on limited print runs. I'd rate this set as worth maybe a regular box's value, not more, given that they also chopped 12 packs out. Definitely no way this is worth $220-$250 per box; the value for money is no where near that high Make sure you hold on to your foil mythic. I think people will try to make foil sets and foil mythics are going to be worth alot more than you might expect.
kenjg Member	posted June 07, 2013 06:27 PM Thanks for the advice. I'll definitely do that. I got some good stuff (the uncommons were pretty solid, with 2 kitchen finks, and 2 path to exile among others), but the value really doesn't hit the $250 mark. I know this one was an experiment, I'm hoping Wizard's will improve on it a bit, get rid of more of the chaff, stick with making it a solid playable box across the board instead next time
dwiz Member	posted June 07, 2013 06:34 PM quote: Originally posted by kenjg: Thanks for the advice. I'll definitely do that. I got some good stuff (the uncommons were pretty solid, with 2 kitchen finks, and 2 path to exile among others), but the value really doesn't hit the $250 mark. I know this one was an experiment, I'm hoping Wizard's will improve on it a bit, get rid of more of the chaff, stick with making it a solid playable box across the board instead next time What else could they put in a make is solid across the board? Adding mutavault and thoughtseize doesn't make it playable across the board. It sounds like you want a 75 card set of only playables. It's players' fault for making the price what it is.
kenjg Member	posted June 07, 2013 06:40 PM I'm not so much concerned with a 75 card set of playables. the card quantity is fine. Thoughtseize would have been nice, but hardly what I'm insisting on. What I would've liked was to see certain cards, which likely will turn into either coasters or proxies not get printed such as the countryside crushers, the rude awakening, and related, and instead print far more cards that are seeing play in the various formats such as legacy, modern, standard and EDH. An increased emphasis on EDH, which is far more flexible would have been great. I just find this set has still managed to print a large number of cards people just won't use.
Zeckk Member	posted June 07, 2013 06:55 PM quote: Originally posted by kenjg: I'm not so much concerned with a 75 card set of playables. the card quantity is fine. Thoughtseize would have been nice, but hardly what I'm insisting on. What I would've liked was to see certain cards, which likely will turn into either coasters or proxies not get printed such as the countryside crushers, the rude awakening, and related, and instead print far more cards that are seeing play in the various formats such as legacy, modern, standard and EDH. An increased emphasis on EDH, which is far more flexible would have been great. I just find this set has still managed to print a large number of cards people just won't use. The proportion of cards that see constructed play in MM is easily more than 100% larger than a regular standard set. Given that MSRP for a regular standard set booster is $4, and MM is around $10-12, you are still getting a better deal than most set releases. Secondly, find better cards to bash than Crushers or Figure of Destiny. Crusher is extremely under-rated in modern, and see play in both legacy/modern aggro loam.
Volcanon Member	posted June 07, 2013 07:11 PM quote: Originally posted by Zeckk: The proportion of cards that see constructed play in MM is easily more than 100% larger than a regular standard set. Given that MSRP for a regular standard set booster is $4, and MM is around $10-12, you are still getting a better deal than most set releases. Secondly, find better cards to bash than Crushers or Figure of Destiny. Crusher is extremely under-rated in modern, and see play in both legacy/modern aggro loam. MSRP is $8, actually. If stores charge more, it's because they suck.
cavetroll7 New Member	posted June 07, 2013 07:52 PM got my ass kicked at draft tonight. but it's ok. 2 different draft pods, my GF pulled a Goyf in the 2nd pack and i pulled one in the 3rd pack. good night overall. can't wait until our boxes get here.
Soldier Boi Member	posted June 07, 2013 08:25 PM Does MM come in different languages?
dwiz Member	posted June 07, 2013 08:30 PM quote: Originally posted by Soldier Boi: Does MM come in different languages? Only English
harbingerofthevoid Member	posted June 07, 2013 09:34 PM Him: "how are you supposed to win?" Me: "boredom" he did win 14 turns later though. I commend him for sticking with it.
jbark Member	posted June 08, 2013 04:06 AM I feel my boxes did well. My sale list is up if anyone wants to check the content. But here are some highlights Foil cryptic command Foil e witness Foil paradise mantle Foil square Goyf Sword of light and shadow Cryptic command Elspeth 2 ravagers 4 Kitchen finks 4 path to exile And more. Might eventually total the cost but it was a blast ripping the cards again.
Lord Crovax Member	posted June 08, 2013 04:35 AM Got a box at MSRP Foil Gifts Ungiven Foil Sword of Light and Shadow Kiki Black Dragon Shackles Two rares worth less than 1.00 retail everything else was 2.00-20.00 Also got 2-3 of every money uncommon/common Other foils included, Lava Spike, Bonesplitter, Spellstutter, Paradise Mantel, Trygon Predator, 7 Mana 4/4 Affinity Dude, plus couple other 1-2.00 foils... __________________ I shall have the souls of all who defy me. "Lord Crovax"
ravidell Member	posted June 08, 2013 04:43 AM hit; Gofy Cryptic Foil Finks Foil Eternal Explosives foil city gifts pact o negate bridge from below Plus couple unc, eternal, finks, snare For sure covered cost of box +
kenjg Member	posted June 08, 2013 05:19 AM Yeah, I'm figuring I just got an exceptionally crappy box. I got a few of the good cards, but no goyfs, and at best 1 sword of fire and ice, the rest was just crap. Got only maybe 6 of the money uncommons in total too.
ksundare Member	posted June 08, 2013 09:23 AM had the luckiest pack opening day of my near 20 year mtg playing life. played a sealed: tarmogoyf foil sword of light and shadow vendilion clique kitchen finks kira spell snare I think this set is a gambler's dream. On average, not sure you'll make value at 225 a box (if you are looking to sell stuff). If you are looking to play with your cards, and you were going to go out and purchase modern cards the value is there.
gaeacradle Member	posted June 08, 2013 10:48 AM quote: Originally posted by ksundare: had the luckiest pack opening day of my near 20 year mtg playing life. played a sealed: tarmogoyf foil sword of light and shadow vendilion clique kitchen finks kira spell snare I think this set is a gambler's dream. On average, not sure you'll make value at 225 a box (if you are looking to sell stuff). If you are looking to play with your cards, and you were going to go out and purchase modern cards the value is there. Wow nice!!!
drex3739 Member	posted June 08, 2013 10:59 AM quote: Originally posted by kenjg: I'd rate this set as worth maybe a regular box's value, not more, given that they also chopped 12 packs out. Definitely no way this is worth $220-$250 per box; the value for money is no where near that high WOTC said the box was worth $170. It's the player base who determined the price of them. Stores couldn't have charged so much for them if people weren't paying that for them. Maybe I got extremly lucky (rare wise, i know I got lucky on mythics). In my 3 boxes (i got them at msrp) I pulled: foil goyf foil clique foil glen elendra 2 dark confidant doubling season cryptic command protogenesis 3 non foil cliques 3 light and shadows pretty much 1 of EVERY rare just about minus a few and mostly doubles of alot like glimmervoids, ravager, vial, acedemy ruins, kira, blinkmoth, bridges, engineered explosives. (this doesn't count the common and uncommon foils like witness, helix, and a few others) The one thing I will say I did get extremely lucky with the mythics as I got all extremly wanted cards with the exception of yosei.
choco man Member	posted June 08, 2013 02:55 PM quote: Originally posted by drex3739: (i got them at msrp) That's really all that needs to be said. Boxes $250 here and all drafts sold out.
JoshSherman Member	posted June 08, 2013 03:34 PM Paid 226 shipped for mine. Going to do two four man drafts with friends. Should be fun times. Plus almost all of it will be for trade because I ready have a playset of mearly everything in the set. The only notable exception is SoFI.
ogre Member	posted June 08, 2013 07:22 PM Drafted 3x and pulled: Foil Sword of L&S 2x Foil Eternal Witness Foil Squee Extirpate Tomb Stalker I was robbed 3x in the draft to topdecks FTW which weren't cool, but still felt like I won in the draft itself which was cool. .02, Jesse __________________ "call the hospital now" "I'm gonna kill you" inspiring words from Mino Fazio
Devonin Member	posted June 09, 2013 07:34 AM LGS selling for 12.95/pack and 299.95/box Disgusting.
gaeacradle Member	posted June 09, 2013 08:52 AM quote: Originally posted by Devonin: LGS selling for 12.95/pack and 299.95/box Disgusting. So you do not like capitalism?
paris Member	posted June 09, 2013 08:57 AM quote: Originally posted by Devonin: LGS selling for 12.95/pack and 299.95/box Disgusting. There's one store here selling it at MSRP, and they were sold out of everything via preorders long ago. There's another store here that sells it for 12.95/pack and 290/box and has plenty in stock.
Vegas10 Member	posted June 09, 2013 09:24 AM quote: Originally posted by Devonin: LGS selling for 12.95/pack and 299.95/box Disgusting. One store in my area is selling for $17.50 a pack, I didn't even bother asking Box prices I hung up, since I knew at least 2 other stores charging less ( 1 at $250 box, other $12.50 a pack).

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