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gaeacradle
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The latest change in international shipping price from USPS doesn't help either. It now costs almost $10 to send out a decent-sized trade internationally. So for most people, those trades are just not worth it. Plus, tracking costs $13 for international mail too.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by AEther Storm:
Wait, they're not??


Welcome to the club of Non-USA residents. Us Europeans and other continent-inhabitants know what they're going through.


And I'm really getting sick of this crap.

It's expensive to send outside the US. Plain and simple. Remember when you wanted to trade for a Breaking // Entering? That would have cost at the bare minimum (no tracking, no toploader. just card and penny sleeve) US$6. Yeah, that's really worth mailing junk halfway around the world.

 
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Pretty sure he's referring to the comment about the assumption that all new Canadian members are rippers not the physical monetary price to mail outside of the USA.

http://ircalc.usps.com/MailServices.aspx?country=10298&m=1&p=0&o=1&MailingDate=9/13/2013&MailingTime=8:00%20AM&c=2

First class letter with rigid item 1oz. One card in a top loader with stamps. Yeah the postage is three times the card cost but still six dollars? oof.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by chaos021:
Remember when you wanted to trade for a Breaking // Entering? That would have cost at the bare minimum (no tracking, no toploader. just card and penny sleeve) US$6. Yeah, that's really worth mailing junk halfway around the world.

Except I sent him a playset of Breaking/Entering, and 4 other cards, in toploaders/bubble mailer for ~$3. I can't remember if it was $2.90 or $3.20, but it was somewhere around there. Just ask for FCIM at your post office. Sure, there's no tracking, but I was willing to take that risk because of Storm's good reputation.

 
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While the packages cost a ton to send, I'm pretty sure that price includes tracking now. They have international tracking that isn't Registered which is included in your $9.45 postage.
 
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It's expensive to send outside the US. Plain and simple. Remember when you wanted to trade for a Breaking // Entering? That would have cost at the bare minimum (no tracking, no toploader. just card and penny sleeve) US$6. Yeah, that's really worth mailing junk halfway around the world.

First of all, wut? PWEs are still only about $1.25. I've been almost exclusively using those for my international deals ever since "small package" prices got raised to $6-7. (Also, people want Breaking/Entering? I have like 80 of the promo.)

I don't know what's going on with the new changes at the post office though? I mailed something via priority international small box ($23.45 or something with 6-10 day delivery date) and it printed out some tracking number that wasn't included in my receipt so I can't use it. I'm going to see if the customs # is trackable now.

It's just all sorts of weird. I'm pretty sure the changes are for the better overall, minus costing a ton to send internationally.

As for whether all Canadians are rippers, YOU AREN'T??? Seriously, though, no, you aren't, but it's somewhat understandable to generalize even if it's frustrating. We'd do the same if a few rippers popped up in any given state in the US. Doesn't mean everyone else in that state is a ripper, but it makes sense to be cautious. Sucks that people are generalizing countries, but unfortunately, a few ****ty people tend to ruin things for everyone else sometimes.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Bagbokk on September 13, 2013]

 
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I was not being serious with my quote. Just saying that people genralize/stereotype and it seems to be affecting Canadian traders.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by chaos021:
It's expensive to send outside the US. Plain and simple. Remember when you wanted to trade for a Breaking // Entering? That would have cost at the bare minimum (no tracking, no toploader. just card and penny sleeve) US$6. Yeah, that's really worth mailing junk halfway around the world.

You have a bad mail man. Letter mail to Canada is cheap, still. Not cheap cheap, but cheap. Like $1.30. I put cards and a toploader in the blue mail boxes with two stamps and they go out fine. That's less $1.30. You are getting ripped.

No one's saying it's worth it to trade Breaking//Entering though.

I sent 90 cards to Slovenia and it cost $12.75...

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Originally posted by KGtheLegend:
but I was willing to take that risk because of Storm's good reputation.

Dat $3 risk

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quote:
Originally posted by KGtheLegend:
Except I sent him a playset of Breaking/Entering, and 4 other cards, in toploaders/bubble mailer for ~$3. I can't remember if it was $2.90 or $3.20, but it was somewhere around there. Just ask for FCIM at your post office. Sure, there's no tracking, but I was willing to take that risk because of Storm's good reputation.

quote:
Originally posted by Sovarius:
You have a bad mail man. Letter mail to Canada is cheap, still. Not cheap cheap, but cheap. Like $1.30. I put cards and a toploader in the blue mail boxes with two stamps and they go out fine. That's less $1.30. You are getting ripped.

No one's saying it's worth it to trade Breaking//Entering though.


That's the problem. As soon as they feel the envelop, they always tell me I have to put it in something padded and send as a parcel. It always happens without fail.

And what exactly is FCIM (less acronym, more words please)? Because if I ask, they're going to want it spelled out. They always play dumb with me, except for one guy. It was a pain in the ass just to get the non-machinable stamp on an envelop, and he started asking me questions about where I heard about it and such.

 
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I believe FCIM or what ever the acronym is will show up as large envelope shipping. Its how I ship worldwide and costs ~$3. Use top loaders in either a pwe or padded mailer. It just needs to be simi rigid.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Sovarius:
Dat $3 risk

I just chose to name the playset of Breaking/Entering as that was the card mentioned previously. The total, including shipping, of what I sent Aether Storm was about $15. While that's not a make or break amount, it is still more then I would send first, or simultaneously, untracked/overseas to someone without a good reputation.

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Originally posted by chaos021:
And what exactly is FCIM (less acronym, more words please)? Because if I ask, they're going to want it spelled out. They always play dumb with me, except for one guy. It was a pain in the ass just to get the non-machinable stamp on an envelop, and he started asking me questions about where I heard about it and such.

FCIM is actually FCMI(mixed up two of the letters) and stands for First Class Mail International. All I know about it is that you have to ask for it specifically and the website is here: https://www.usps.com/ship/first-class-international.htm

Hope that helps man. I've never personally used it to mail anything but a bubble mailer, but it says you can use it on a letter too.

I just ran a sample to Canada through. For a 2 oz package with dimensions no larger then "Max. length 15", height 12" or thickness 3/4"" it's $2.25. For a regular envelope containing a rigid object it's $1.30. To Aether Storm a 2oz package would be $2.90.

[Edited 2 times, lastly by KGtheLegend on September 13, 2013]

 
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I just sent pwe FCMI today. One to Singapore and another to Canada. $2.05 each. Padded envelopes would have been close to $3.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by chaos021:
And I'm really getting sick of this crap.

It's expensive to send outside the US. Plain and simple. Remember when you wanted to trade for a Breaking // Entering? That would have cost at the bare minimum (no tracking, no toploader. just card and penny sleeve) US$6. Yeah, that's really worth mailing junk halfway around the world.


You got me wrong. I was adressing his point that there seems to be a thing that if one is not from the USA, one is quite quickly looked upon as a non-trustworthy trader/person.

I never said anything about shipping costs so relax. If one isn't willing to send 1 crap card halfway around the world, fine! I would send a torn-up basic land to Uganda if it meant a trade, I don't care. I'm not rich or anything, not by a mile, but I trade for the fun I get out of trading and meeting/talking to new people, especially from other countries. I've build up quite a few 'friends' over the years. It was worth the money of getting a card I want and talking to someone.

So relax, I was talking about something else. And it costs money to send outside of The Netherlands, too.

Edit: fixed language.

Edit 2: Breaking//Entering costs 1,50 Euro over here. It costs me the same to send a bubble envelop with 2-3 cards in toploaders to the US. Hence I sought a trade. Trading > Buying

Edit 3: (last edit, spend enough time on this 'crap')

quote:
Originally posted by KGtheLegend:
Except I sent him a playset of Breaking/Entering, and 4 other cards, in toploaders/bubble mailer for ~$3. I can't remember if it was $2.90 or $3.20, but it was somewhere around there. Just ask for FCIM at your post office. Sure, there's no tracking, but I was willing to take that risk because of Storm's good reputation.

Thanks KG, I still appreciate it and I'm playing them tomorrow night. I'll get shredded no doubt, but I can't wait to see the nervous faces across the table when they realize I'm about to mill them . Tournament report will follow later coming week.

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[Edited 3 times, lastly by AEther Storm on September 14, 2013]

 
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I was referencing the fact that 2 current rippers have less than 10 refs and people just sent first to them like mad and then were surprised they got ripped off.

Even the folks who contacted me about JessieMTG i said "the deal went fine but it was sketchy he had no return address on the envelop and when i asked him to do a second deal he wouldn't send to me first"

The other ripper i posted on the BTA for backing out of a deal 2-3 weeks before his ripper post went up. I wasn't that surprised.

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So if I have a blank playmat, where do I go to get custom art done for it? I meangood/great art done on it.

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Originally posted by revenger:
So if I have a blank playmat, where do I go to get custom art done for it? I meangood/great art done on it.


Gencon is where a friend of mine gets all his done. He had a VERY amazing AT-AT done

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quote:
Originally posted by WeedIan:
Gencon is where a friend of mine gets all his done. He had a VERY amazing AT-AT done


How long did it take and how much did he pay?

 
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quote:
So if I have a blank playmat, where do I go to get custom art done for it? I meangood/great art done on it.

I had mine done at an SCG event by RK Post and he charged $100 for mine, took him about 3-4 hours to do. I know Rob Alexander was also doing playmats at the event, but he was charging around $500 for a full mat at that time. He used color pastels I believe and he took a lot longer on a full mat. Whereas mine is done with a sharpie.

Here is what my mat looks like, and I was impressed how far my $100 went.
http://tinypic.com/r/2els22d/5

 
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Originally posted by drizzt_2004:
I had mine done at an SCG event by RK Post and he charged $100 for mine, took him about 3-4 hours to do. I know Rob Alexander was also doing playmats at the event, but he was charging around $500 for a full mat at that time. He used color pastels I believe and he took a lot longer on a full mat. Whereas mine is done with a sharpie.

Here is what my mat looks like, and I was impressed how far my $100 went.
http://tinypic.com/r/2els22d/5


That's pretty good. I wonder what some color art would look like.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by chaos021 on September 18, 2013]

 
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Originally posted by revenger:
So if I have a blank playmat, where do I go to get custom art done for it? I meangood/great art done on it.



Is there a university/college with a fine arts department nearby? That would be the cheapest way to get something really cool, I think.

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Originally posted by revenger:
So if I have a blank playmat, where do I go to get custom art done for it? I meangood/great art done on it.


Send it my way, I'll draw something cool on it.

I can even make a portrait of you/wife/kid(s)/whatever

 
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Your thoughts on:

1. $30 sealed pre-release, only 3 rounds, prizes are a pack for every round you win, 1 pack for participation and for going 3-0 an extra $6 in store credit. Every player gets entered into a random drawing where the prizes are unsold duel decks, event decks, and etc. (best prize is a sealed Graveborn).

2. Opening a pool with Thassa, 2 Heliod, Spear of Heliod, and Thoughtseize.

3. Local shark nerd raging at someone else for trading 2 Solemns for a Kalonian Hydra while he's trading someone a Mox Diamond for a City of Traitors.

quote:
Originally posted by Goaswerfraiejen:
Is there a university/college with a fine arts department nearby? That would be the cheapest way to get something really cool, I think.

That's what I do. For Holidays and celebrations (Valentine's day, etc.), I've gone to art students. They are often appreciative for the ~$50 and have the spare time to put into the work.

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Not sure on value just yet, but I really like this card! At worst, it's a Watchwolf...I'd say that's pretty good.

At worst, it's much better than Watchwolf.

[Edited 2 times, lastly by choco man on September 21, 2013]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by choco man:
Your thoughts on:

1. $30 sealed pre-release, only 3 rounds, prizes are a pack for every round you win, 1 pack for participation and for going 3-0 an extra $6 in store credit. Every player gets entered into a random drawing where the prizes are unsold duel decks, event decks, and etc. (best prize is a sealed Graveborn).

2. Opening a pool with Thassa, 2 Heliod, Spear of Heliod, and Thoughtseize.

3. Local shark nerd raging at someone else for trading 2 Solemns for a Kalonian Hydra while he's trading someone a Mox Diamond for a City of Traitors.

That's what I do. For Holidays and celebrations (Valentine's day, etc.), I've gone to art students. They are often appreciative for the ~$50 and have the spare time to put into the work.

At worst, it's much better than Watchwolf.


Do people still trade in stores? I just stopped after people like Medina ruined the entire experience for me.

 
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Do you ever wonder if people you play online are really the way they act online in real life?

I beat this person 2-0. we talk and have what I think is a friendly time. they switch decks and we go again.

G1 They beat me.
G2 we get down to me: 2 them: 17. I Surgical Extraction. A pause ensues and they ask if I can beat their suspended Rift Bolt. They know I have counters. I say I'll have to draw to be able to answer that. They actually type "eyeroll" and I ask to see their hand and library. They show the library. I then have to ask for the hand.

So I draw and "lol gg thanks"

They precede to tell me how I wasted their time with SE. I say the spell hadn't resolved and that's the rules. Here comes the " well then we were both not playing by the rules since we didn't click the phases..."

Now there's a couple issues with this.

1) They played first. Mountain -> Goblin Guide. I took 2 and showed my card. They passed.

1a) They never clicked attack phase. So by their logic, they broke the rules first? Whatever.

2) When your playing most decks in person, do you stop and say , "okay, untap. draw. first main." etc... Or, do you just acknowledge that each player isn't an idiot and unless there isn't something on the board to cause an interaction, you give adequate time, and then continue the phases?

Just seems that the person was cool when they were loosing and we could could play again. But, when they are going to sweep, dick.

Maybe some people just need to feel better and yes I know the internet is that place where they can. I work on it all day long. And I am well aware of the lack of social skills people can have. And then need to win, rather, the need to feel like not only they need to have the last word but, the need they feel to make themselves feel better because of it.

It's beating the proverbial [dead horse] and I should be used to it.

 
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dont play on MWS/cockatrice. free programs attract so many people like that.

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