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iccarus Member	posted April 10, 2014 07:44 AM Did Player A make the statement during Player B's upkeep or before he had even untapped for the turn? I'd lean towards scumbag move if it was a distraction made after PB untapped for the turn and was just starting their upkeep. Otherwise, there is no excuse for PB missing the trigger. If you play with pacts, you should know enough to leave yourself a reminder to pay for them on upkeep. __________________ Wisconsin - smells like dairy air! I collect Granite Gargoyles. Send them my way.
oneofchaos Member	posted April 10, 2014 08:33 AM If I recall (I was an observer), Player A sighed after his card was countered. Thought for a minute (was sitting on an island in hand). Went to tap islands, decided not too. Asked Player B to pause at end of draw step. Bazinga. Heck, even if in upkeep he asked to pause at end of draw step if at that point Player B doesn't pay Pact he wasn't going to anyways.
JoshSherman Member	posted April 10, 2014 10:34 AM quote: Originally posted by thror: you cant have a non MOTL ref, it doesnt work. When did that change? I have refs from before the system screwed up that were never MOTL refs. Also, about the player A and player B thing... Drawing a distinction between FNM and other events is exactly why a lot of the players at FNMs never get better. I encourage all of you to use FNM as a teaching/learning experience. Scrubby McNoob isn't going to learn if you let them take a pact back. Personally, I'm willing to give player A the benefit of the doubt without actually witnessing what happened for myself. Either way player B should not be excused for not paying for the pact. __________________ My LJLetter Bombs!FBLogout- MM is a copycat! (So am I)*CKGB
thror Member	posted April 10, 2014 02:50 PM quote: Originally posted by JoshSherman: When did that change? I have refs from before the system screwed up that were never MOTL refs. i mean that it's a glitch in the system showing refs as non motl. i have 74 refs, and currently HALF of them are non motl. except ALL of them are from people on motl. just like a lot of other stuff here, this is broken too. __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there." <@Anusien> Pretty sure New Zealanders are the sheep shaggers <KIP_NZ> Anusien: I'm a kiwi and I've shagged a sheep <KIP_NZ> we kiwi's like our sheep
paragondave Member	posted April 11, 2014 04:35 AM quote: Originally posted by JoshSherman: Scrubby McNoob Man I wish this was my MOTL handle.
oneofchaos Member	posted April 11, 2014 08:14 AM quote: Originally posted by JoshSherman: When did that change? I have refs from before the system screwed up that were never MOTL refs. Also, about the player A and player B thing... Drawing a distinction between FNM and other events is exactly why a lot of the players at FNMs never get better. I encourage all of you to use FNM as a teaching/learning experience. Scrubby McNoob isn't going to learn if you let them take a pact back. Personally, I'm willing to give player A the benefit of the doubt without actually witnessing what happened for myself. Either way player B should not be excused for not paying for the pact. At the risk of sounding like a jerk, I'm not going to let people take back plays, and if they make a poor play I'll let it through. It's a 50 min round. There's been plenty of times in FNM where I'll crush somebody very fast and spend the rest of the time playing practice games against them, swapping decks, teaching them strategy and trading them. When you are in a match, you are their opponent, not their teacher. There's plenty of time before and after a match to teach and/or learn. I still had no problem with what Player A did. If I was Player B, I'd be more mad about myself not putting a die on my deck than the fact that my opponent got me on something totally legal.
hilikuS Member	posted April 11, 2014 08:27 AM @ Josh. I feel the opposite way. Without the consequence of making a play mistake, the person is less likely to learn. Like, if you let it go, they're like oh phew. If you hold them to it, they're like, ugh I better not do that next time. Or they're like you're a jerk JoshSherman (in which case they're not gonna learn either way).
oneofchaos Member	posted April 11, 2014 08:32 AM quote: Originally posted by hilikuS: @ Josh. I feel the opposite way. Without the consequence of making a play mistake, the person is less likely to learn. Like, if you let it go, they're like oh phew. If you hold them to it, they're like, ugh I better not do that next time. Or they're like you're a jerk JoshSherman (in which case they're not gonna learn either way). The sooner they lose to their misplays, the sooner they can receive help from a decent opponent (especially at FNM level) or a friend. I've almost always learned more from a misplay than a great play. In fact most great plays were enabled by prior misplays.
Sovarius Member	posted April 11, 2014 04:01 PM There is a reason for multiple rels. At fnm, especially low stakes, especially if they are new, I let things slide.
revenger Member	posted April 11, 2014 06:38 PM I don't know the story of Theros, but what happens to Elspeth? They kill her off? They better not. Enlighten me on this.. __________________ 28th in refs on Motl! #1 Ref's for Arizona! I offer 3rd party trading services. Email if interested. Your 2008, 2010 & 2012 Siskel & Ebert award winner! Your Motl runner-up in My Cousin Vinny & Rolling Stone Award!
iccarus Member	posted April 11, 2014 06:43 PM quote: Originally posted by revenger: I don't know the story of Theros, but what happens to Elspeth? They kill her off? They better not. Enlighten me on this.. The other half of the story has not been told. Part I of Godsend covers her becoming Heliod's champion. Part II of Godsend doesn't come out until May. https://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1411 __________________ Wisconsin - smells like dairy air! I collect Granite Gargoyles. Send them my way.
Sovarius Member	posted April 13, 2014 07:12 AM quote: Originally posted by iccarus: The other half of the story has not been told.[/URL] F that noise, give me the full length paperback novels again. Ugh. I was offered a Voice of Resurgence and $10 for two Lor Thoughtseize. And Voice isn't even on my wants list... __________________ Want Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief, and other vampire females oddities (foreign, foil, crimp, miscut, misprint, sign, test print, alters, artist proofs, etc) Building Ghave EDH, please check my threads. Sales Wants
Vegas10 Member	posted April 13, 2014 05:45 PM http://imgur.com/5U4qXxY,hBWFxO5#0 Possible Onslaught Fetches in M15 Obv this could be fake [Edited 1 times, lastly by Vegas10 on April 13, 2014]
thror Member	posted April 13, 2014 06:15 PM there's a 2nd picture from the same guy, which has numerous glaring errors http://imgur.com/5U4qXxY,hBWFxO5#1 faaaake __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there." <@Anusien> Pretty sure New Zealanders are the sheep shaggers <KIP_NZ> Anusien: I'm a kiwi and I've shagged a sheep <KIP_NZ> we kiwi's like our sheep
paragondave Member	posted April 13, 2014 08:33 PM I vote, fake.
Volcanon Member	posted April 13, 2014 08:36 PM quote: Originally posted by thror: there's a 2nd picture from the same guy, which has numerous glaring errors http://imgur.com/5U4qXxY,hBWFxO5#1 faaaake Fake - why is the photo quality different on the very bottom of the card? Inner borders too rounded. They just shopped some card that already came out.
coasterdude84 Member	posted April 13, 2014 09:40 PM Unless Wizards is going back to the 7th edition numbering scheme, Wooded Foothills would not be 269/269. That will most likely belong to a Forest. It's also missing an expansion symbol. Seriously, if you're going to be an idiot and make something like this, at least you could take the time to get some details right. EDIT: Ha, just noticed the Delta was out 267, not 269 like it should say. What a moron. [Edited 1 times, lastly by coasterdude84 on April 13, 2014]
Vegas10 Member	posted April 14, 2014 05:23 AM I figured probably fake, after seeing the Wooded Foothills even more so sure they are fake.
jbark Member	posted April 14, 2014 07:32 AM If only to make good quality fake pics that are believable. People panic and then you buy x fetches.
Sovarius Member	posted April 14, 2014 08:50 AM They would undoubtedly have new art anyway. And not have shocks and fetches together in standard.
jbark Member	posted April 14, 2014 06:07 PM If they are in m15 wouldn't shocks and fetches only be together. For 2 months tops?
chaos021 Member	posted April 14, 2014 06:24 PM quote: Originally posted by jbark: If they are in m15 wouldn't shocks and fetches only be together. For 2 months tops? It would be a glorious 2 months though. __________________ "Message to women worldwide: Girls....we're stupid. We don't like games. We don't know games. We can't read minds. Say it like you mean or STFU." -rockondon My Sale Thread
mtglover Member	posted April 14, 2014 06:28 PM Didn't wizard stated that they didn't want to have too many dual color lands in standards? Wasn't that the reason they stopped printed the checklands in m14? If that is the case, then why would they print fetchland in m15?
thror Member	posted April 14, 2014 06:30 PM quote: Originally posted by mtglover: Didn't wizard stated that they didn't want to have too many dual color lands in standards? Wasn't that the reason they stopped printed the checklands in m14? If that is the case, then why would they print fetchland in m15? we already have 10 shocks, 10 temples, 10 guildgates. whats 5 more? __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there." <@Anusien> Pretty sure New Zealanders are the sheep shaggers <KIP_NZ> Anusien: I'm a kiwi and I've shagged a sheep <KIP_NZ> we kiwi's like our sheep
kendawg13 Member	posted April 14, 2014 08:19 PM quote: Originally posted by thror: we already have 10 shocks, 10 temples, 10 guildgates. whats 5 more? Don't for get about the new City of Brass!

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