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Topic: The Post for Magic Stuff #86 - Where Modern is the new Legacy
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stab107 Member
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posted March 17, 2014 11:34 AM
Anybody else seeing the explosion of Modern staples as a similar cycle to the Legacy explosion a few years back? There is a difference in the fact that Legacy had Reserve List items while Modern can be reprinted in full.
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iccarus Member
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posted March 17, 2014 11:47 AM
Going all in on Modern would make me nervous, given that anything can be reprinted at any given time. It's mainly the mythics from MM that saw prices go up though, right? Most of the rares did actually come back down a little.__________________ Wisconsin - smells like dairy air!I collect Granite Gargoyles. Send them my way.
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Teferi Planeswalker Member
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posted March 17, 2014 11:56 AM
Lands can be reprinted whenever WotC wants to, so maybe we'll see those soon. Maybe not though, I don't actually think WotC cares that much about formats outside standard. And if they do, they are usually reprinted to put very few controlled amounts of high value cards to help sell off supplemental product (Jace vs Vraska).To the above poster, you are pretty much correct. Mythics actually being played did not drop, while all other rarities had a noticeable downturn. The interesting thing about MM2 will be what it will take for cards to "qualify" as mythics. They chose tarmo, bob, and clique as Mythics because they were on a whole different tier of price (40+) compared to most other things, but these days, the top tier of modern contains so many cards that are 40+.
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Pail42 Member
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posted March 17, 2014 01:28 PM
quote: Originally posted by iccarus: Going all in on Modern would make me nervous, given that anything can be reprinted at any given time. It's mainly the mythics from MM that saw prices go up though, right? Most of the rares did actually come back down a little.
They went down a little, but Aether Vial and Arcbound Ravager are already above the pre-MM price. The Modern format is continuing to grow so we can expect prices to keep rising. I'm hoping MM2 is at least 3x the print run.
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jbark Member
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posted March 17, 2014 02:42 PM
quote: Originally posted by Pail42: They went down a little, but Aether Vial and Arcbound Ravager are already above the pre-MM price. The Modern format is continuing to grow so we can expect prices to keep rising.I'm hoping MM2 is at least 3x the print run.
Blood moon and cryptic command as well.
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oneofchaos Member
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posted March 17, 2014 04:11 PM
Suddenly the absurd prices of a legacy deck don't seem so bad when you have to cringe at the thoughts of a reprint in modern.
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KIP_NZ Member
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posted March 17, 2014 05:08 PM
I love it when people say "I'm not going to buy my fetches cause I'm worried about a reprint" cause that means that the additional pressure of that person on staples isn't there & the prices are lower for those of you who want to play right now...
__________________ I only play eternal formats Former DCI Level 2 Judge (Retired) Current Grumpy old man Level 2 (Active)
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wayne Member
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posted March 18, 2014 12:49 AM
quote: Originally posted by stab107: Anybody else seeing the explosion of Modern staples as a similar cycle to the Legacy explosion a few years back? There is a difference in the fact that Legacy had Reserve List items while Modern can be reprinted in full.
This is great news for the game I guess, since WOTC will be laughing all the way to the bank.
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Timmyhill Member
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posted March 19, 2014 03:25 AM
Does anyone know of a list that has the most notable commons/uncommons from each set?I don't necessarily mean most valuable card,for example if someone wanted to know the common/uncommons that best represent Legions what would it be.
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iccarus Member
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posted March 19, 2014 04:56 AM
quote: Originally posted by Timmyhill: Does anyone know of a list that has the most notable commons/uncommons from each set?I don't necessarily mean most valuable card,for example if someone wanted to know the common/uncommons that best represent Legions what would it be.
Find a store that lets you filter by rarity and then sort by price. The top cards would likely be what you are looking for, outside of maybe cards that were top picks in limited only. __________________ Wisconsin - smells like dairy air!I collect Granite Gargoyles. Send them my way.
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jbark Member
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posted March 19, 2014 07:14 PM
Man a dude posts his cards at 10-15% under value and people jump all over the stuff pretty demandingly. Just because you can pay NOW doesn't mean you beat the first pm/post... can't wait for him to deny sales and raise prices.
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Teferi Planeswalker Member
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posted March 19, 2014 07:30 PM
quote: Originally posted by jbark: Man a dude posts his cards at 10-15% under value and people jump all over the stuff pretty demandingly. Just because you can pay NOW doesn't mean you beat the first pm/post... can't wait for him to deny sales and raise prices.
Are there rules to being the first pm/post and people behind them respecting that, or is it an unspoken agreement? He was on right when the post was made, and able to respond/confirm a trade with me, but I'm curious if he responded to everyone else.
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oneofchaos Member
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posted March 19, 2014 08:03 PM
quote: Originally posted by jbark: Man a dude posts his cards at 10-15% under value and people jump all over the stuff pretty demandingly. Just because you can pay NOW doesn't mean you beat the first pm/post... can't wait for him to deny sales and raise prices.
If I tried to sell stuff and I got flocked I might consider raising my prices. MOTL threads aren't a commitment.
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jbark Member
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posted March 20, 2014 02:44 AM
I would too. But last time this happened we had people ripped for a total over $5k. http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/005439.html
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Vegas10 Member
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posted March 20, 2014 04:41 AM
quote: Originally posted by jbark: I would too. But last time this happened we had people ripped for a total over $5k. http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/005439.html
Who's list currently are we talking about?
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psrex Member
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posted March 20, 2014 04:48 AM
quote: Originally posted by Vegas10: Who's list currently are we talking about?
Probably this: http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/107617.html
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Swift2210 Member
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posted March 20, 2014 11:07 AM
quote: Originally posted by jbark: I would too. But last time this happened we had people ripped for a total over $5k. http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/005439.html
lwang is one of my favorite traders, one in good standing and one whom I've traded with a dozen times. Shipping time and condition have always been fantastic. I'd have no reservations about buying from him. I got a Lightning Greaves Foil from him as a Christmas gift. Gonna miss him.
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Volcanon Member
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posted March 20, 2014 11:38 AM
quote: Originally posted by Swift2210: lwang is one of my favorite traders, one in good standing and one whom I've traded with a dozen times. Shipping time and condition have always been fantastic. I'd have no reservations about buying from him. I got a Lightning Greaves Foil from him as a Christmas gift. Gonna miss him.
Lol $8 and a waiver to ship regular mail to Canada? Doesn't seem like a good seller to me. That's way over priced even to somewhere dangerous.
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majicman Member
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posted March 20, 2014 11:57 AM
Well, perhaps it eliminates the herd to just the states because shipping is cheaper and can be tracked.You know people do sell out of magic every once in a while. He has a boatload of refs. I asked him to send email from his MOTL registered email account (he used his gmail account initially) and he obliged me within a couple minutes. We confirmed the transaction. I never understand people ripping people who sell and charge for shipping to protect themselves. Everything is a negotiation. If you don't like the rules or prices, stop complaining and go to another playground and play.
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Swift2210 Member
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posted March 20, 2014 01:14 PM
quote: Originally posted by Volcanon: Lol $8 and a waiver to ship regular mail to Canada? Doesn't seem like a good seller to me. That's way over priced even to somewhere dangerous.
And that's why I've stopped trading internationally. Postal rates for international mail have almost doubled during the last 2 years.
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hilikuS Member
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posted March 20, 2014 01:17 PM
quote: Originally posted by Swift2210: And that's why I've stopped trading internationally. Postal rates for international mail have almost doubled during the last 2 years.
Tripled over the last 3. At least for parcels.
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Volcanon Member
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posted March 20, 2014 05:21 PM
quote: Originally posted by majicman: Well, perhaps it eliminates the herd to just the states because shipping is cheaper and can be tracked.You know people do sell out of magic every once in a while. He has a boatload of refs. I asked him to send email from his MOTL registered email account (he used his gmail account initially) and he obliged me within a couple minutes. We confirmed the transaction. I never understand people ripping people who sell and charge for shipping to protect themselves. Everything is a negotiation. If you don't like the rules or prices, stop complaining and go to another playground and play.
Somehow I doubt asking him to not try to profit off shipping (where I still am taking on the risk that he won't even mail the cards) will be terribly productive. If you don't want to ship outside of the US without registered, don't offer non-registered. People give waivers and then do Paypal chargebacks anyway. It's more polite to say, "I don't mail outside of the US" than it is to charge fees far in excess of what is reasonable.
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Tha Gunslinga Moderator
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posted March 20, 2014 05:28 PM
Postal rates for mailing a single toploader in a bubble mailer overseas are like $2.50. You guys are doing it wrong. Just ask your post office to run it as a flat envelope.__________________ Don't send first, pay first, or simul-send to Canadian low-ref newer members.
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Pail42 Member
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posted March 20, 2014 06:42 PM
Definitely worth a shot, but you can ask the post office to do lots of things. What they will actually do will vary based on what employee you happen to be talking to.
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majicman Member
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posted March 20, 2014 06:56 PM
quote: Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga: Postal rates for mailing a single toploader in a bubble mailer overseas are like $2.50. You guys are doing it wrong. Just ask your post office to run it as a flat envelope.
I can only get the shipping cheap is if I shipped in a PWE with a toploader. Then and only then can it be less than $2.5. Otherwise, it typically goes at a much higher value because it is in a bubble mailer. I use 000 bubblemailers. Also, almost always the post office clerk will ask you if it has value and if so, customs form. Perhaps the USPS folks in WI are a little relaxed on the rules. In CALI, it seems they always charge more and I can't even get the online tool to give me a break. If you could guide us to saving everyone money, that would be great.
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