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stab107
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posted March 17, 2014 11:34 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for stab107 Click Here to Email stab107 Send a private message to stab107 Click to send stab107 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Anybody else seeing the explosion of Modern staples as a similar cycle to the Legacy explosion a few years back? There is a difference in the fact that Legacy had Reserve List items while Modern can be reprinted in full.
 
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Going all in on Modern would make me nervous, given that anything can be reprinted at any given time. It's mainly the mythics from MM that saw prices go up though, right? Most of the rares did actually come back down a little.

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Lands can be reprinted whenever WotC wants to, so maybe we'll see those soon. Maybe not though, I don't actually think WotC cares that much about formats outside standard. And if they do, they are usually reprinted to put very few controlled amounts of high value cards to help sell off supplemental product (Jace vs Vraska).

To the above poster, you are pretty much correct. Mythics actually being played did not drop, while all other rarities had a noticeable downturn. The interesting thing about MM2 will be what it will take for cards to "qualify" as mythics. They chose tarmo, bob, and clique as Mythics because they were on a whole different tier of price (40+) compared to most other things, but these days, the top tier of modern contains so many cards that are 40+.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Teferi Planeswalker on March 17, 2014]

 
Pail42
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posted March 17, 2014 01:28 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Pail42 Send a private message to Pail42 Click to send Pail42 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by iccarus:
Going all in on Modern would make me nervous, given that anything can be reprinted at any given time. It's mainly the mythics from MM that saw prices go up though, right? Most of the rares did actually come back down a little.

They went down a little, but Aether Vial and Arcbound Ravager are already above the pre-MM price. The Modern format is continuing to grow so we can expect prices to keep rising.

I'm hoping MM2 is at least 3x the print run.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Pail42:
They went down a little, but Aether Vial and Arcbound Ravager are already above the pre-MM price. The Modern format is continuing to grow so we can expect prices to keep rising.

I'm hoping MM2 is at least 3x the print run.


Blood moon and cryptic command as well.

 
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Suddenly the absurd prices of a legacy deck don't seem so bad when you have to cringe at the thoughts of a reprint in modern.
 
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I love it when people say "I'm not going to buy my fetches cause I'm worried about a reprint" cause that means that the additional pressure of that person on staples isn't there & the prices are lower for those of you who want to play right now...

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wayne
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quote:
Originally posted by stab107:
Anybody else seeing the explosion of Modern staples as a similar cycle to the Legacy explosion a few years back? There is a difference in the fact that Legacy had Reserve List items while Modern can be reprinted in full.


This is great news for the game I guess, since WOTC will be laughing all the way to the bank.

 
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Does anyone know of a list that has the most notable commons/uncommons from each set?

I don't necessarily mean most valuable card,for example if someone wanted to know the common/uncommons that best represent Legions what would it be.

 
iccarus
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quote:
Originally posted by Timmyhill:
Does anyone know of a list that has the most notable commons/uncommons from each set?

I don't necessarily mean most valuable card,for example if someone wanted to know the common/uncommons that best represent Legions what would it be.


Find a store that lets you filter by rarity and then sort by price. The top cards would likely be what you are looking for, outside of maybe cards that were top picks in limited only.

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jbark
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Man a dude posts his cards at 10-15% under value and people jump all over the stuff pretty demandingly. Just because you can pay NOW doesn't mean you beat the first pm/post... can't wait for him to deny sales and raise prices.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by jbark:
Man a dude posts his cards at 10-15% under value and people jump all over the stuff pretty demandingly. Just because you can pay NOW doesn't mean you beat the first pm/post... can't wait for him to deny sales and raise prices.

Are there rules to being the first pm/post and people behind them respecting that, or is it an unspoken agreement?

He was on right when the post was made, and able to respond/confirm a trade with me, but I'm curious if he responded to everyone else.

 
oneofchaos
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quote:
Originally posted by jbark:
Man a dude posts his cards at 10-15% under value and people jump all over the stuff pretty demandingly. Just because you can pay NOW doesn't mean you beat the first pm/post... can't wait for him to deny sales and raise prices.

If I tried to sell stuff and I got flocked I might consider raising my prices. MOTL threads aren't a commitment.

 
jbark
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I would too. But last time this happened we had people ripped for a total over $5k.

http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/005439.html

[Edited 1 times, lastly by jbark on March 20, 2014]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by jbark:
I would too. But last time this happened we had people ripped for a total over $5k.

http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/005439.html


Who's list currently are we talking about?

 
psrex
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quote:
Originally posted by Vegas10:
Who's list currently are we talking about?

Probably this:

http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/107617.html

 
Swift2210
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quote:
Originally posted by jbark:
I would too. But last time this happened we had people ripped for a total over $5k.

http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/005439.html


lwang is one of my favorite traders, one in good standing and one whom I've traded with a dozen times. Shipping time and condition have always been fantastic. I'd have no reservations about buying from him. I got a Lightning Greaves Foil from him as a Christmas gift. Gonna miss him.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Swift2210:
lwang is one of my favorite traders, one in good standing and one whom I've traded with a dozen times. Shipping time and condition have always been fantastic. I'd have no reservations about buying from him. I got a Lightning Greaves Foil from him as a Christmas gift. Gonna miss him.


Lol $8 and a waiver to ship regular mail to Canada? Doesn't seem like a good seller to me. That's way over priced even to somewhere dangerous.

 
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Well, perhaps it eliminates the herd to just the states because shipping is cheaper and can be tracked.

You know people do sell out of magic every once in a while. He has a boatload of refs. I asked him to send email from his MOTL registered email account (he used his gmail account initially) and he obliged me within a couple minutes. We confirmed the transaction.

I never understand people ripping people who sell and charge for shipping to protect themselves. Everything is a negotiation. If you don't like the rules or prices, stop complaining and go to another playground and play.



[Edited 1 times, lastly by majicman on March 20, 2014]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Volcanon:
Lol $8 and a waiver to ship regular mail to Canada? Doesn't seem like a good seller to me. That's way over priced even to somewhere dangerous.

And that's why I've stopped trading internationally. Postal rates for international mail have almost doubled during the last 2 years.

 
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Originally posted by Swift2210:
And that's why I've stopped trading internationally. Postal rates for international mail have almost doubled during the last 2 years.

Tripled over the last 3. At least for parcels.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by majicman:
Well, perhaps it eliminates the herd to just the states because shipping is cheaper and can be tracked.

You know people do sell out of magic every once in a while. He has a boatload of refs. I asked him to send email from his MOTL registered email account (he used his gmail account initially) and he obliged me within a couple minutes. We confirmed the transaction.

I never understand people ripping people who sell and charge for shipping to protect themselves. Everything is a negotiation. If you don't like the rules or prices, stop complaining and go to another playground and play.


Somehow I doubt asking him to not try to profit off shipping (where I still am taking on the risk that he won't even mail the cards) will be terribly productive. If you don't want to ship outside of the US without registered, don't offer non-registered. People give waivers and then do Paypal chargebacks anyway.

It's more polite to say, "I don't mail outside of the US" than it is to charge fees far in excess of what is reasonable.

 
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Postal rates for mailing a single toploader in a bubble mailer overseas are like $2.50. You guys are doing it wrong. Just ask your post office to run it as a flat envelope.

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Definitely worth a shot, but you can ask the post office to do lots of things. What they will actually do will vary based on what employee you happen to be talking to.
 
majicman
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quote:
Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga:
Postal rates for mailing a single toploader in a bubble mailer overseas are like $2.50. You guys are doing it wrong. Just ask your post office to run it as a flat envelope.


I can only get the shipping cheap is if I shipped in a PWE with a toploader. Then and only then can it be less than $2.5. Otherwise, it typically goes at a much higher value because it is in a bubble mailer. I use 000 bubblemailers. Also, almost always the post office clerk will ask you if it has value and if so, customs form.

Perhaps the USPS folks in WI are a little relaxed on the rules. In CALI, it seems they always charge more and I can't even get the online tool to give me a break.

If you could guide us to saving everyone money, that would be great.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by majicman on March 20, 2014]

 

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