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I'm looking to standardize all of the sleeves for my collection so switching cards in and out of decks is easier. I also suspect it will reduce wear from moving cards in and out of binders and decks.

I've noticed problems in the past with Dragon Shields from different boxes not having the exact same cut (the slight differences seemed noticable when the deck was sitting flat on the table).

Does anyone have a large collection all in the same sleeves? If so, what sleeves do you use, and are there noticeable size differences between packs?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by dfitzg88:
I'm looking to standardize all of the sleeves for my collection so switching cards in and out of decks is easier. I also suspect it will reduce wear from moving cards in and out of binders and decks.

I've noticed problems in the past with Dragon Shields from different boxes not having the exact same cut (the slight differences seemed noticable when the deck was sitting flat on the table).

Does anyone have a large collection all in the same sleeves? If so, what sleeves do you use, and are there noticeable size differences between packs?



I have all my cards in pink Dragon sleeves. Currently I have about 600 sleeves that are in nice condition, so I can have 5-7 decks ready for tournaments. On top of that I have few hundred slightly more played sleeves for drafts and 300 sleeves that are clearly worn (with no pattern) for Commander. I also still have about 100 of the old pink sleeves from before the color change they underwent sometime in the 2004.

I have gone through about 25-30 boxes of the Dragon sleeves in the last 10+ years. Mostly because I don't have that much time to play anymore, so I can survive much longer on the same set of sleeves.

There has been some variance on the lenght of the Dragon sleeves, but usually that hasn't been a problem. I have put the longer ones aside and have occasionally had enough for a draft sleeve set, mostly as I got one box with half of the sleeves longer and one half shorter. In the last couple of years I haven't seen too many longer ones in my boxes.

The biggest change for me was that I started double sleeving my Legacy and Vintage decks few years back. Before that I left the P9 and alpha/beta duals sleeved in binders, which ended causing the sleeves to become wavy on the backside after a few months storage. Now the inner sleeve helps to protect the card from any scratching coming from being put and removed from the binder and I can keep my sleeves in better use.


All in all I like having just one type of sleeves, as it makes building similar decks pretty simple, as I can just switch cards betwen decks and I very rarely have the dreaded 57 sleeves of this type -problem (so just unsleeve one sideboard and I'm set again).

 
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quote:
Originally posted by dfitzg88:
I'm looking to standardize all of the sleeves for my collection so switching cards in and out of decks is easier. I also suspect it will reduce wear from moving cards in and out of binders and decks.

I've noticed problems in the past with Dragon Shields from different boxes not having the exact same cut (the slight differences seemed noticable when the deck was sitting flat on the table).

Does anyone have a large collection all in the same sleeves? If so, what sleeves do you use, and are there noticeable size differences between packs?


Dragon Shield are notorious for having uneven cuts. Sometimes you get some from within the same box like that. I personally love KMC matte and hyper matte. The feel of KMC matte sleeves is awesome for me personally. Some people swear by the newer hyper mattes. Either way, you win.

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quote:
Originally posted by dfitzg88:
I'm looking to standardize all of the sleeves for my collection so switching cards in and out of decks is easier. I also suspect it will reduce wear from moving cards in and out of binders and decks.

I've noticed problems in the past with Dragon Shields from different boxes not having the exact same cut (the slight differences seemed noticable when the deck was sitting flat on the table).

Does anyone have a large collection all in the same sleeves? If so, what sleeves do you use, and are there noticeable size differences between packs?


KMC Hyper Matte or go home. I bought a case of 2500 sleeves and a case of perfect fits. They shuffle like butter and never wear out. I have had a few split but the rest are holding strong. There were all cut perfect and I can switch cards between decks and not notice a difference. I will never buy another sleeve ans won't have to with 2500 of them!

 
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KMC hyper mats are awesome
 
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Besides sending me over to ebay, anyone with a good knowledge of duals care to list all 10 from revised at price points for sp to mp? I am relatively new to duals, and it seems like TCG (what i would use for most anything else besides really high end stuff) is high.

Didn't want to start a thread in trade and value forum and be a scrub :s

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quote:
Originally posted by Sovarius:
Besides sending me over to ebay, anyone with a good knowledge of duals care to list all 10 from revised at price points for sp to mp? I am relatively new to duals, and it seems like TCG (what i would use for most anything else besides really high end stuff) is high.

Didn't want to start a thread in trade and value forum and be a scrub :s


Well to give you an idea, I picked up a revised set for 1100 which is basically 10 duals + garbage. I think that was low tho. I think SCG buy prices for all their revised cards totaled around 1100. That gives you an idea on a "set" price if you were thinking of doing that.

 
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No, just to get 1x each of all duals because i've never owned before and for edh. Then i'll start collecting as an investment, increase my value of collection, and someday open a gaming/hobby shop.
So i also meant each card individually rather than the set of 10.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sovarius:
No, just to get 1x each of all duals because i've never owned before and for edh. Then i'll start collecting as an investment, increase my value of collection, and someday open a gaming/hobby shop.
So i also meant each card individually rather than the set of 10.


Well the set of ten implies one of each, so you are set for cube/edh. I know that worked well for me, but just straight buying a nice enough revised set might be easier than tracking down the individual duals. You can always flip the revised set - 10 duals for around 150 or so.

 
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But you mentioned buying the set of all of revised. I just mean 10 cards, not ~140-225 or whatever the set size is.

And i like picking them up one at a time, because i am just hunting and collecting over time. It's part of the collecting process. Also i don't drop $650 at once.

Also, i am short Tundra, Trop, Taiga, and Volc, and have 2x Savannah. And i'm pretty much set on getting the most played cheap ones i can find.

Also, really just asking about the prices, not the method of getting them.

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So I was checking out this thread, and I couldn't help but notice how fugly the new art is. I know people are still going to fork over monies for it just because it's "pimp." I just wish I could get past the ugly or at least come to terms with it.

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quote:
Originally posted by chaos021:
So I was checking out this thread, and I couldn't help but notice how fugly the new art is. I know people are still going to fork over monies for it just because it's "pimp." I just wish I could get past the ugly or at least come to terms with it.


because the original art was so great?

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For those of you who haven't seen the May rules update, remember not to use your phone for any purposes once you sit down to play at a competitive rel event. No texting, no music, no life totals, and only take personal calls after asking your opponent's permission. Otherwise, you'll probably hear him/her call for a judge shortly after.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by dfitzg88:
For those of you who haven't seen the May rules update, remember not to use your phone for any purposes once you sit down to play at a competitive rel event. No texting, no music, no life totals, and only take personal calls after asking your opponent's permission. Otherwise, you'll probably hear him/her call for a judge shortly after.

Was a reason given for not being able to use an electronic device for keeping life totals, or did they just change it?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
Was a reason given for not being able to use an electronic device for keeping life totals, or did they just change it?

It is very easy to use a smartphone to cheat. ... I don't think there is an official reason given.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Pail42 on May 08, 2014]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by chaos021:
So I was checking out this thread, and I couldn't help but notice how fugly the new art is. I know people are still going to fork over monies for it just because it's "pimp." I just wish I could get past the ugly or at least come to terms with it.


FoW is cool and all, but I'm way more excited about the Greater Good and Elesh Norn promos.

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quote:
Originally posted by dfitzg88:
For those of you who haven't seen the May rules update, remember not to use your phone for any purposes once you sit down to play at a competitive rel event. No texting, no music, no life totals, and only take personal calls after asking your opponent's permission. Otherwise, you'll probably hear him/her call for a judge shortly after.

I hated the people who listened to music during a match. If you don't want actual human interaction, MTGO.

 
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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
I hated the people who listened to music during a match. If you don't want actual human interaction, GTFO.

fixed

 
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quote:
Originally posted by thror:
because the original art was so great?


A ton of older art is crap. That doesn't make that promo any less of a failure artistically.

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quote:
Originally posted by Pail42:
It is very easy to use a smartphone to cheat. ... I don't think there is an official reason given.

By asking for advice? Is that the concern?


And yes, the new FoW art is pretty ugly.

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quote:
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By asking for advice? Is that the concern?


And yes, the new FoW art is pretty ugly.


I assume so? Like if you really wanted to cheat using a phone, it wouldn't be hard to have your buddy standing behind your opponent and texting you.

Not a fan of the FoW art, but it's foil *sigh*

I'm really stoked about the Elesh Norn though.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Goaswerfraiejen:
By asking for advice? Is that the concern?

Advice.
Information about your opponent's hand (as pointed out byEsper3k).
Information about your opponent's deck/sideboard.
Information about your opponent's deck archetype.
Information about your opponent's sealed pool/draft picks.

All of those things are not allowed when talking to another person. Electronic devices make all those things easy and possible.

A bunch of judges talk about it in-depth in this podcast: http://judgecast.com/?p=667
And here are some good articles from a judges about it:
http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/no-phones-fewer-games-losses-jou-policy-update s/
http://blogs.magicjudges.org/telliott/2014/04/28/journey-into-nyx-policy-changes- for-players/

Tangent - In the past if you forgot a card's specific name you could get out your phone and find it on Gatherer. How do tournament rules handle cards like Slaughter Games or Meddling Mage when you can't remember the exact name of the card?

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Pail42 on May 09, 2014]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Pail42:
Advice.
Information about your opponent's hand (as pointed out byEsper3k).
Information about your opponent's deck/sideboard.
Information about your opponent's deck archetype.
Information about your opponent's sealed pool/draft picks.

All of those things are not allowed when talking to another person. Electronic devices make all those things easy and possible.

A bunch of judges talk about it in-depth in this podcast: http://judgecast.com/?p=667
And here are some good articles from a judges about it:
http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/no-phones-fewer-games-losses-jou-policy-update s/
http://blogs.magicjudges.org/telliott/2014/04/28/journey-into-nyx-policy-changes- for-players/

Tangent - In the past if you forgot a card's specific name you could get out your phone and find it on Gatherer. How do tournament rules handle cards like Slaughter Games or Meddling Mage when you can't remember the exact name of the card?


You would explain the card to a judge and they would help get the card name and could show gatherer if youd like to verify.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Pail42:
Tangent - In the past if you forgot a card's specific name you could get out your phone and find it on Gatherer. How do tournament rules handle cards like Slaughter Games or Meddling Mage when you can't remember the exact name of the card?

This used to be the case when I was a judge (long, long time ago in a galaxy far away), but if you could describe enough other aspects of the cards with specificity, then that was usually enough for the judge. They may have changed that. I know that the player had to name the card at higher RELs though.

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quote:
Originally posted by chaos021:
This used to be the case when I was a judge (long, long time ago in a galaxy far away), but if you could describe enough other aspects of the cards with specificity, then that was usually enough for the judge. They may have changed that. I know that the player had to name the card at higher RELs though.



You'd accept either names or uniquely specifying descriptions? As a philosopher, that's awesome.

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