On where the wolves are playing:
I've spent some of the afternoon going over voting records and piles, comparing things. And one of the conclusions I came to is that Liq's strategy seriously ****ed up our chances at good pile analysis. Nevertheless, this is what I came up with:
For round 1, it seems most likely that the wolves are grouped as such: 2 in the Random pile (1-of or 2-of votes) and 1 in the ThoughtsofLepers/Liq piles. The R1 Random pile is composed of (dead players exempted):
ThoughtsofLepers, Jazaray, Battle_of_Twits, Bernek, BernieB, koodkkslis, and Masterwolf.
The R1 Liq pile is:
Our_Benefactors, revenger, and Bugger.
The R1 ThoughtsofLepers pile is:
randon007, Liq, and AlmasterGM.

My reasoning is that of the 5 surviving players in the Liq/ThoughtsofLepers pile, only 1 voted in that pile by 'choice'. The rest simply went along with the plan. Now, to be sure they could go along with it for convenience, but it was really pure chance that those four both were included among Liq's first nine voters and decided to go along with it. Therefore, it's most likely that there's only 1 wolf there. The pile of 8 Random voters probably held two.

For round 2: There were again 3 piles, broken up as such:
Pile 1- the Random pile:
revenger, Battle_of_Twits, randon007, ThoughtsofLepers.
Pile 2- the Fwybwed pile:
Bugger, Jazaray, Our_Benefactors, koodkkslis.
Pile 3- the Bugger pile:
BernieB, AlmasterGM, Masterwolf, Bernek77.
For round two, I'm almost certain that there is at least 1 wolf in each of Piles 2 and 3. At least 1 vote for fwy because he was a citizen and they could just join that wagon to get him off that round. And, at least 1 vote for Bugger because he was a cit too. Now, I know that you all don't believe that yet, but think about it: even if I *were* a wolf, I'd have 1 other wolf voting for me just in case, wouldn't I? I mean, it came down to 1 vote deciding whether it was fwy or me in the noose last round. Having 1 'fellow' wolf vote for me (hypothetically) would act as an insurance policy for him later on- just as Chuck did the same R4 last game.
That leaves the question- is the third wolf in the 'random' pile, or in 1 of the 2 main piles? I'm inclined to think they're in the random pile. It's clear now that the wolves are knocking off strong players, and after the discussion that's been given to how the GLE kill narrowed down a potential wolf pile, I'm sure they'd keep it in mind this round.

So, to summarize:
R1 wolves:
2 among- ThoughtsofLepers, Jazaray, Battle_of_Twits, Bernek77, BernieB, kood, and Masterwolf.
1 among- Bugger, O_B, revenger, randon007, AlmasterGM.
R2 wolves:
2 among- Jazaray, Bugger, koodkkslis, Our_Benefactors, BernieB, AlmasterGM, Masterwolf, and Bernek77.
1 among- Battle_of_Twits, randon007, ThoughtsofLepers, and revenger.

Now for some thoughts. These are NOT suspicions, this is just me thinking out loud and trying to get it down on paper.
More ways to group people.
Liq's "lucky seven":
Bugger
ThoughtsofLepers
MasterWolf
Battle_of_Twits
-Our_Benefactors has been in the lynching pile twice (as have I, for the record).
-The player base looks like this right now:
/Quiet players:
ThoughtsofLepers
randon007
Battle_of_Twits
Masterwolf
koodkkslis
AlmasterGM
/Medium active players:
Jazaray
revenger
Our_Benefactors
/Highly active players:
Bernek77
Bugger
Therefore it is most likely the wolves are among the lesser active players (by pure mathematical average, as well as the kill pattern).
So if we choose to go after a quiet player this round, we have to choose from:
ThoughtsofLepers
randon007
Battle_of_Twits
MasterWolf
AlmasterGM
Koodkkslis.
Trying to keep in balance all of Liq's 'lucky seven', the quiet players, voting history, et cetera, I suggest (but feel absolutely free to vote otherwise) a lynching of among these three:
randon007
ThoughtsofLepers
MasterWolf
And I'll explain why.

1. randon007. His voting records:
R1- ThoughtsofLepers
R2- *no vote* (Random Pile)
randon for the most part has made no suspicious behaviour, probably largely because he has barely any behaviour at all to watch. His missing a vote does nothing to suggest innocence (Cait did the same trick last game), and the fact that he is a newer player (called out frequently by PGB no less) puts him here. If randon is a wolf (assuming he's this round's lynch target) then I would say we should probably look closer at revenger. Revenger was edged out on my top 3 list by randon and randon's "I suspect revenger" with no real data or reason to support it could easily be him trying to leave revenger some insurance after his death (again, only assuming randon's a wolf).

2. ThoughtsofLepers. His voting history:
R1- randon
R2- *no vote*
ThoughtsofLepers on the other hand, as I've mentioned, has had some suspicious behaviour. He's jumped from being overly agreeable and bandwagoneering to losing his temper to overloading his post with smilies to again being extremely cheerful and casual. On top of that, he's one of the 4 remaining members of Liq's 'lucky seven'. He's seen games played before, so it would stand to reason he'd know who the strong players are. And he's likely watched mafia last game as well.

3. MasterWolf. His voting history:
R1- Jazaray Random Pile
R2- Bugger
MasterWolf started out calling for concealed votes and opposed going after silent players. He also is a new player, played in mafia last round, knows who the strong players are, and is another of the four remaining lucky seven.

I will probably be voting for one of the above three this round but am undecided as to whom; there are no compelling leads like last round- I thought almost for sure fwy was a wolf. I want to hear what others have to say both about this and about where we should look next in general if they disagree.

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PGB was also suggesting him but no one was listening. It would be a risky play on Randon to have PGB lynched.

Also, Let's not for get to include Miss Jazaray. She knows exactly who to pick off and has bee somewhat quiet herself.

Bugger your quick after the wolves kill to give us an update and give us your opinions. You haven't left my radar. I just think that Randon would be a great vote this round for us as he is a silent player.

Voting Randon!

ALso you can leave your vote/s with MM. Like leave your vote this round with him and tell him if you want to go with that if your still alive or if he is still alive and if he isnt give a second name.

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Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
BTW, I had the name of the wolf kill since the 17th, but just simply haven't been around.

~MM

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you have to tell us that. LOL

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
Bugger I agree with what you said and I have a suspicion high on Randon and Masterwolf. I pegged Randon in an earlier game due to his talk. I think he is laying low to not get himself pegged again.

PGB was also suggesting him but no one was listening. It would be a risky play on Randon to have PGB lynched.

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I agree. And his excuse for not posting at all R1 was frankly a really weak excuse.

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Also, Let's not for get to include Miss Jazaray. She knows exactly who to pick off and has bee somewhat quiet herself.

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Actually, I've been keeping an eye on her as well. There just isn't enough meat that I can see to build a solid case for her. But believe me there are some things of interest in Jazzy Ray.

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Bugger your quick after the wolves kill to give us an update and give us your opinions.

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...Well, to be fair, so have you.

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You haven't left my radar.

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Understandable.

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I just think that Randon would be a great vote this round for us as he is a silent player.

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And I agree. While he wasn't one of the first posters, he's still a liability, even more so when you see that the wolves are trying to make the game quieter.

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Voting Randon!

ALso you can leave your vote/s with MM. Like leave your vote this round with him and tell him if you want to go with that if your still alive or if he is still alive and if he isnt give a second name.

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That's an idea. If I can get two people to vote for this round and next I'll submit that.

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
Also, Let's not for get to include Miss Jazaray. She knows exactly who to pick off and has bee somewhat quiet herself.

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That said, I'm not really suspicious of ToL as much, he really seems to be trying to grasp onto this game and a lot of his posts are "noobish" posts. The same mistakes that revenger et al has made when they first started playing.

Bugger, you have some pretty solid ideas, and I find it hard to disagree with many of them. I still think that we need to lynch one of the people who voted for Liq however, that's where we need to be. It's almost guaranteed that there was a wolf in that pile. I'd highly suggest a lynch of revenger, OB or you this round.

What are your thoughts on that?

Thanks,
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Originally posted by ThoughtsofLepers:
I have been waiting for awhile for anyone to bring up Jaz again. The last player that suspected Jaz was fwyb, and he died right afterwards. I'm not saying there's a correlation, (sp?) but I've been waiting for someone to bring her up.

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Well, to be fair, I was the one who started the Fwy wagon (and dammit I really thought he was a wolf.... *sigh*) but she was indeed the first to jump on. She also said I'd "mimicked her thoughts". One of the things I noticed is that GLE was suspicious of her but didn't reveal why when I asked him before he was killed. Afterwards Jaz immediately came out saying how she had suspected him.

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I've been thinking for awhile that she is a wolf. She's had a habit of popping in every once in a while to lynch a cit this game.

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Not to cut in on the drama, but that's actually only 1 round. She always goes with Amala's pick 1st round.

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That's not an argument for her lynching so much as it is just my thoughts. Unless the populace rallies for Jaz, I plan on voting randon, who has been on my suspects list this entire game thus far. As a matter of fact, I'm sending my vote in now, so I don't miss it again.

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Sure. I still suspect you though .
Jaz *might* make a good vote for me R4 though.

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-Hugh Laurie, House

Now, you don't think it would be better to lynch a silent player this round. someone like Randon who missed the vote. Didn't know the game started. And some who was very vocal when he was a wolf and now is completely silent this game. This isn't the mark of someone who seen what he id wrong the last time and this time around isn't going to do anything to bring attention to his name? Even though he did with those two incidents.

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Originally posted by Jazaray:
ToL: Fwyb "died soon after" because we all lynched him.. And we've all lynched cits as well. Also, remember he was also "sure" that PGB was a ww..

That said, I'm not really suspicious of ToL as much, he really seems to be trying to grasp onto this game and a lot of his posts are "noobish" posts. The same mistakes that revenger et al has made when they first started playing.

Bugger, you have some pretty solid ideas, and I find it hard to disagree with many of them. I still think that we need to lynch one of the people who voted for Liq however, that's where we need to be. It's almost guaranteed that there was a wolf in that pile. I'd highly suggest a lynch of revenger, OB or you this round.

What are your thoughts on that?

Thanks,
Jazaray

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Well... revenger has my attention of us Liq voters. Like I said though I think only 1 of the 5 Liq/thoughts pile is a wolf. revenger though has been making much clearer posts and I wonder if it's because he's had guidance? Just thoughts. If it came down to a Liq pile voter I'd choose him but it's close.

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Originally posted by Jazaray:
ToL: Fwyb "died soon after" because we all lynched him.. And we've all lynched cits as well. Also, remember he was also "sure" that PGB was a ww..

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Yeah, sorry I didn't mean to imply that I considered that as evidence against you. I have no actual evidence against you. I just think you're a wolf

And @ Bugger (I can't even quote multiple people on this piece of junk computer w/o it taking half an hour)

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I think this round your vote should be Randon. I think you should forget about revenger. I was one of the biggest pushers about the Liq pile. After going back and re-reading everything. I don't think there is a wolf in that pile. That is what they want us to believe.

There were already too many people against the Liq idea. So with this being said, they could seperate themselves away from the pile and sit back and let us try to find a wolf in there.

I am officially saying I no longer suspect these people but, these are the three I am saying are the wolves. If I am wrong then what I read was misleading.

Randon
Jazaray
Masterwolf

I think the votes should go down this way the next 3 rounds. As I believe at the pure minimum there will be 2 wolves in there!

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
Bugger, this game you have asked me to look at you as a villager and a wolf. Well now I am willing to do that. I need you to take a step back and listen to me.

I think this round your vote should be Randon. I think you should forget about revenger. I was one of the biggest pushers about the Liq pile. After going back and re-reading everything. I don't think there is a wolf in that pile. That is what they want us to believe.

There were already too many people against the Liq idea. So with this being said, they could seperate themselves away from the pile and sit back and let us try to find a wolf in there.

I am officially saying I no longer suspect these people but, these are the three I am saying are the wolves. If I am wrong then what I read was misleading.

Randon
Jazaray
Masterwolf

I think the votes should go down this way the next 3 rounds. As I believe at the pure minimum there will be 2 wolves in there!

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I'll try to, Bernek, but keep in mind that I'm kind of taken aback by your sudden forcefulness. I'll see if we can come up with a compromise and I'll sleep on it and let you know in the morning. But keep in mind also that looking over this thread I'm finding more things that make me look harder at revenger. We'll see.

More to come tomorrow morning.

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Originally posted by Jazaray:
Dammit Bugger, you posted pretty much what I was going to say. I was waiting for the ww kill to post, but it wasn't posted before I had to leave today.

So, my list of suspicions is Bugger, OB and revenger, right now. [b] We need to lynch those three first and foremorst. [b] I'm SURE that one of those three is a ww. More than likely only 1 of them is a ww, but it's possible that two are.
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Out of those three players, I see Bugger as the more suspicious. He waited until the last minute to vote for Liq, because he *could have been* waiting to see if we'd all go for Liq's idea, and when he saw we weren't, saw a way to get rid of two good players in one round. What Liq wanted him to see.

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How could she be so sure? She is not the seer and this was after the Liq and GLE death. She was playing off what you said.

Then this round I am trying to get people on board with the randon kill. I don't think there was a wolf in the pile. She revisited it to get your wheels rolling. You have said all game wrong that I was wrong about you being a wolf. Well like I said I will take your word if you will take mine. I am not a wolf either. We need a wolf this round. They have taken out the high profile players. Leaving a lot of quiet ones. Randons play is a lot more suspicious than revenger. I mean even Jaz's play is.

Jaz was pushing hard for you to be lynched then followed by revenger. But, as soon as you break stuff down to her she switched to Fwybwed and was urging EVERYONE to do the same.

Jaz is probably the next strongest player in this game. And if the wolves are gonna stay true then she will die next. If not it's probably be because she is a wolf. Of course if she is alive you will hear from her: They left me alive so you can lynch me. They get a free Lynch out of it.

This is why I say we lynch Randon this round and see if the wolves keep with Lynching players according to their play.

If Jaz is Lynched and turns out to be a villager then I can kiss my game goodbye. Cause I have done all of this to build a case against her and Randon.

The only other veteran left besides Jaz and I is BernieB. Sup Kid!

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Originally posted by randon007:
Go ahead vote for me. You'll be killing a cit. I'm voting Revenger this round because of all the suspicion that others have said.

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What suspicion are you referring to? All anyone has is he was in the pile that voted for Liq.

You say you weren't paying attention and didn't know the game started. You missed a vote. And you haven't contributed anything to this game. You are more of a liability then anything this game.

All you can say is go ahead your lynching a cit? Yeah you really convinved me of that!

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You're verbal back-and-forth against Bernek is doing nothing to make me suspect you less, but in fact suspect him as well.

And since I know Bugger is going to try to get a wagon formed against me, I'll throw this out in defense:

MasterWolf he has Never brought your name up. How are you even going to say that. Especially without backing it up?

I throw all of your names out there and BOOM! There you all go with posts. Bringing up Bugger and Revenger.

OB was in that pile and not one of you brought up his name. Why? I'll tell you why, there have been suspicion brought up against the 2 players (Bugger,Revenger) and you all feel if you can get just one person on board you can get an easy lynch of Bugger.

All you are doing is making it more obvious of you and the the other 2 being wolves!

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Bernek = 15 if you count this one!
Battle of Twits = 1
BerneiB = 2
Bugger = 13
Masterwolf = 3
Our Benefactors = 2
Thoughts of Lepers = 5
Randon = 2
Jazaray = 1
Kood = 0
Almaster = 0
Revenger = 0

I didn't include PGB's = 4 due to he was eaten by the wolves.

If your dead you shouldn't be talking! Especially when were trying to get a post count!
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Originally posted by Bernek77:
It's funny that the three I put out there as the wolves all have thrown out there different plans.

MasterWolf he has Never brought your name up. How are you even going to say that. Especially without backing it up?

I throw all of your names out there and BOOM! There you all go with posts. Bringing up Bugger and Revenger.

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Originally posted by MasterWolf:
You have a hard time reading bud? He pointed out three people on the first post on this page, and I was the third. But I can understand your interest in jumping to his defense.

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Ahh defensive are we? Well riddle me this Batman? How come I have mentioned your name, repeatedly I may add and not once have you said anything about me?

Now it seems that there are 3 of you I have named, all of you come out and post afterwards. And now you are trying to get bugger lynched. And you use the post where he has a ton of names up there to solidify your case against him?

This is very bad play in my book. I think you are reaching and are trying to get the others on your side.

If you are gonna build a case against someone come a little stronger than he mentioned and me and before he tries to get a bandwagon against me. Since there was someone this entire game other than him mentioning you and you haven't once said anything about him.

So yeah I am sticking up for Bugger, Revenger and OB for the rest of this game. I think the Liq pile is innocent and only the wolves want us to continue to investigate that pile on count of it makes it easier for them to target the stronger players and the quieter players slide on right by!

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
It's funny that the three I put out there as the wolves all have thrown out there different plans.

MasterWolf he has Never brought your name up. How are you even going to say that. Especially without backing it up?

I throw all of your names out there and BOOM! There you all go with posts. Bringing up Bugger and Revenger.

OB was in that pile and not one of you brought up his name. Why? I'll tell you why, there have been suspicion brought up against the 2 players (Bugger,Revenger) and you all feel if you can get just one person on board you can get an easy lynch of Bugger.

All you are doing is making it more obvious of you and the the other 2 being wolves!

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You're going back to your old playing style, and it's not helping you any. You need to take a step back and stop and think before you post. I liked your new style much better, then you started posting incoherently and now it's back to the old way. What's going on with you?

I've also been posting the whole game, not just when you mention me.

And yes, you idiot (and I mean that with MUCH love), now that you've spelled out a good plan for the ww's to get a free lynch, that's probably what they're going to do. You're helping the ww's more than you are the cits!

And everyone is forgetting that Kood is an excellent player, and he's posted damn near nothing this whole game. And, I'm REALLY sorry Bernie, but I wouldn't call him a strong player, exactly.

I don't know if I agree with the randon vote. Just because he missed a vote and "forgot" the game started or whatever. I don't feel that lynching him will be better than clearing the Liq pile. I really feel there is a ww in that pile.

Did MM post when the votes are due?

Thanks,
Jazaray

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Many wished to have what she has,
A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.

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